The Bible vs. Sex

[cindylou]

^ I believe it.

Though there are more christians than atheists I would say.

 

[javaguru]

^ I believe it.

Though there are more christians than atheists I would say.

Yes, and that's why they didn't use actual number for their stat but percentages. I was surprised at the number of pastors who were divorced.

 

[healother]

healother, obviously you are not prepared for sex or intimacy of any sort...maybe some light shit, like hand holding or check kissing.
but i really don't think you are mature enough to progress beyond that stage...you are too conflicted and i think guilt will overtake you if you did anything remotely sexual.
i look at your life from my computer screen and honestly it makes me a bit sad.
seeing a healthy young dude as yourself in such turmoil...bro some really good yrs are slipping by you while you over analyze everything. you don't seem happy, is that living a god's life?
do not have sex, repeat do not. the guilt will haunt you

^
bino used to be the one to tell me to get laid and now he's telling me otherwise. this is odd.

Your problems are beyond the scope of this board. Please seek professional help. Im not even joking. The irony is you wont get married precisely because you cant attract women based on your guilt form premarital physical involvement. I think I speak for others here who have seen their time and energy wasted trying to help you so dont let that go in vain by not getting professional help. Once again Im not joking.

yeah, well i guess im fucked then if i need professional help.

nah bro, i really think you are overreacting.
while i think he could use some "help"
i don't think it's proffessional help or mental health help...he needs a strong mentor or somebody IRL to lend some helpful words.
he's breaking outta his hardcore christian shell, something that has been indoctrinated and forced down his throat his whole life.
and this is not easy, since we can deduct that:
-his parents since a young age have told him about the horrors of hell and what happens to sinners
-his upbrining was dominated by christian ideology (even during college)
-all his friends and peers are most likely hardcore christian
this is pure speculation on my part, but i feel it's mostly accurate.
and therefore i have patience with flexgel, since i kinda understand what he is up against...it can be scary when your beliefs get rocked with reality.

the weird thing is im not sure what kind of mentor would work. someone who is a christian, atheist, neutral (if there is such a thing) ? a christian who's for sex, a christian who's against it?

My parents didnt focus on hell
My upbringing was dominated by christian ideology though (even thru college)
and about half of my friends are Christian.

YEAH BUT if he feels so "guilty" about sex then why is he at a club grinding with other women? what the fuck?

His thought process if all fucked up - I think he needs professional help. I dont belive his guilt about sex has anything to do with God/religion.

it has everything to do with religion. i dont see anything wrong with premarital sex, other than the bible suggesting that its wrong.

Have you even moved out of your folks home? I recall that you graduated college and were still living with your dad or something. Moving out would be priority 1. for helping get a new attitude and outlook on life. Gotta cut the cord and if that doesnt work see my previous post.

agreed, moving out is key, but i dont have much money or a stable job yet. im still waiting to hear about whether or not my employer is going to hire me full time, also i have to decide if i still want to work there.

I guess we'll see what happens.

also , Healother , if you are christian like you say you are, hang out with other Christian women who share the same morals. Why you are trying to be someone you are not I dont understand. Either you are ; or you aren't a christian who is struggling with premarital sex. Okay. Then surround yourself with like minded christains and you wont feel so guilty all the time, and wait to have sex until after you are married I guess.

Also ; are you Christian because you belive in Christ and the bible or because your parents are christian?

im Christian because I believe in Christ and the bible.

I dont want to get married if I can only have sex inside the confines of marriage, because then for all know maybe that would play into my motivation for marriage. and marrying only so that i could have sex in my life, wouldnt be a good reason to get married.

 

[Gambino]

flexgel i'm telling you not to get laid because it's not what is best for you at the moment...i think you are too conflicted and sex is never an answer to problems
from one e-friend to the next

 

[javaguru]

Richard Dawkins;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9HtY1chchM

 

[-SD-]

You arent fucked if you seek professional help. Ive sought professional help for certain things in my life before as Im sure many folks from ef have. No shame in it.

 

[healother]

You arent fucked if you seek professional help. Ive sought professional help for certain things in my life before as Im sure many folks from ef have. No shame in it.

i have sought it out before too (for different problems, i was in counselling for probably close to a year total), and i hated it. probably the biggest thing about professional help that sucks (aside from the huge money and time cost of it) is the fact that it brings you to the realize that you have taken a major tumble in life and that lots of healing needs to be done. It makes you realize how far you are from being on track. Plus I'd like to think that I'm independent and dont need others help.

Also would professional help work with religious issues? Isnt there a lot of room for the possibility bias if you are sharing these issues with a counselar. (bias on their part).

 

[-SD-]

i have sought it out before too (for different problems, i was in counselling for probably close to a year total), and i hated it. probably the biggest thing about professional help that sucks (aside from the huge money and time cost of it) is the fact that it brings you to the realize that you have taken a major tumble in life and that lots of healing needs to be done. It makes you realize how far you are from being on track. Plus I'd like to think that I'm independent and dont need others help.

Also would professional help work with religious issues? Isnt there a lot of room for the possibility bias if you are sharing these issues with a counselar. (bias on their part).

Your primary reason for going is to help you interact with the opposite sex on a more adjusted and healthy level. Your religion will probably end up being one of several factors you havent figured out yet. Hence the therapist. Every Therapist is biased in some form or another and you wont find one who isnt because they are human. But they also have insights and experience and knowledge that you dont have, and at your age you would probably benefit from getting this all out in the open with an objective third party. Yes, it sucks facing your problems head on with a stranger but just remember they wont judge you like on EF.
But first things first, get a job and move the hell out of your dads place.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

I've read the bible cover to cover a few times and many parts of it multiple times.

I honestly think it's a fantastic book. I believe some of it may be inspired by God. I also think some of it is propaganda and that it's gone through a bagillion translations over time and that those translations very well may not have been divinely inspired by God. King James version anyone?

I also think that any major decisions I have to make aren't gonna be something I would peruse the bible to check up on or consult with God unless it was something I'd be worried about being confronted with at the pearly gates.

Only things I could think of that would qualify for that would be heinous acts like murder, rape etc...

As for sex, my instinct tells me that in all of nature animals copulate without worrying what a higher power thinks. That's kinda out of context. What I really mean is that BEFORE the bible existed and anyone had any notion about
God(mainly the Christian or Islamic view of God) and all the anti-premarital sex
propaganda, people had sex at will withotu worry of consulting the bible or God.

What does that make those people? I mean think about it logically. That would mean literally 100's of millions of people were fornicating before marriage or before the concept of marriage ever existed. I doubt they got smited or turned away from the shining gates. How the fuck were they supposed to know?

Just my opinion.

 

[cindylou]

^

im Christian because I believe in Christ and the bible.

I dont want to get married if I can only have sex inside the confines of marriage, because then for all know maybe that would play into my motivation for marriage. and marrying only so that i could have sex in my life, wouldnt be a good reason to get married.

UMMM Yes it is ; according to the bible it suggests that you NOT marry. But marry if you cannot control your sexual urges for it is better to marry and have sex inside the marriage than to burn.