switching gears compounds every 3 weeks

[Castro_bigdog]

What you guys think of switching your gear compounds every 3 weeks. ...??? For example. .. 3 weeks cyp.... 3 weeks e..... 3 weeks sust.... and so on. ....

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[Castro_bigdog]

I've never tried this but heard about it more and more lately. ... being your body never gets used to the same compound

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[stevesmi]

I think it would be pointless because those have long esters and its the same compound testosterone.

 

[Zyglamail]

I think it would be pointless because those have long esters and its the same compound testosterone.

Exactly!

It seems more and more the focus is placed on AAS and how it can be manipulated for best gains all the while the real important aspects continually get ignored.

 

[buddhabuilder]

Rich Piana talked about this in a video posted yesterday. The focus here at EF is responsible cycles that, when combined with hard training and strict diet, give good consistent results. Everyone is different and will react to compounds differently, and you can't deny Rich has made great gains over the years. But the style of cycling he talked about in that video lacks any kind of documented results.

 

[stevesmi]

Rich piana is a good dude but youtube videos those guys put out are meant to stir up shit and get hits.. those MF's make 6 figs from those youtube pages through advertising

in this case I really don't understand the logic. it would be like switching from 3 different brands of dbol ..

 

[Castro_bigdog]

Rich piana is a good dude but youtube videos those guys put out are meant to stir up shit and get hits.. those MF's make 6 figs from those youtube pages through advertising

in this case I really don't understand the logic. it would be like switching from 3 different brands of dbol ..

I figured it was a good thing to try... and yes I seen Rich talk about it lol.... after 10 years... trying new things are going to switch it up... I don't believe in heavy doses. .. so...

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[STTM]

This is Rich Piana talking out of his ass.

 

[Castro_bigdog]

This is Rich Piana talking out of his ass.

Why would you think he would talk out his ass..... not bashing. .. just asking. .. sounds like he knows his shit....

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[Zyglamail]

Why would you think he would talk out his ass..... not bashing. .. just asking. .. sounds like he knows his shit....

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The only difference between test esters is the ester. The ester is NOT the active ingredient, the test is and the test molecule is the same so scientifically and logically HOW would changing the ester used have any impact on the cycle (say switching from enth to cyp)?

 

[Castro_bigdog]

The only difference between test esters is the ester. The ester is NOT the active ingredient, the test is and the test molecule is the same so scientifically and logically HOW would changing the ester used have any impact on the cycle (say switching from enth to cyp)?

Makes sense bro.... I've always ran E being it was one of my favorite but every once in a while I would run cyp and get some great gains out of no where. .... I think I always stuck with E because it was my 1st love lol.... but then again. .. it could of been sorce under over dosing. ...

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[Castro_bigdog]

But I see your point bro

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[Zyglamail]

Makes sense bro.... I've always ran E being it was one of my favorite but every once in a while I would run cyp and get some great gains out of no where. .... I think I always stuck with E because it was my 1st love lol.... but then again. .. it could of been sorce under over dosing. ...

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Once again a scientific explanation is in order. In reality an individual can not accuratly compare 2 cycles against each other because too many variables change. You SHOULD be more advanced during your second cycle for starters so gains should be less IF everything else is equal but its not. Stress, nutrition, intensity in the gym and AAS used, brand, lot etc all change so nothing is ever equal.

Saying enth works better than cyp or vise versa really means nothing in the context of a single users data.

Also the ester makes up part of the overall content of test. A short ester product thats 200mg per ml will have more actual test than a longer ester product so once again cant compare test prop to test cyp fairly unless you at least up the amount of longer ester so exact same amount of actual test is injected.

At the end of the day, the gear is probably the least important aspect of a persons success anyway.

 

[STTM]

So he can be seen as a guru, or ahead of his time per say.

 

[John Juan]

Once again a scientific explanation is in order. In reality an individual can not accuratly compare 2 cycles against each other because too many variables change. You SHOULD be more advanced during your second cycle for starters so gains should be less IF everything else is equal but its not. Stress, nutrition, intensity in the gym and AAS used, brand, lot etc all change so nothing is ever equal.

Saying enth works better than cyp or vise versa really means nothing in the context of a single users data.

Also the ester makes up part of the overall content of test. A short ester product thats 200mg per ml will have more actual test than a longer ester product so once again cant compare test prop to test cyp fairly unless you at least up the amount of longer ester so exact same amount of actual test is injected.

At the end of the day, the gear is probably the least important aspect of a persons success anyway.

Exactly!!! Food is the true anabolic agent. Any AAS cycle can build muscle but only if you consume enough calories and get the necessary macros in.
I have had so many guys say they aren't growing yet they take grams of AAS. I ask about their caloric intake and it's around 3.000 calories for a 230Lb guy. I put my personal training clients on a minimum of 5,000 clean calories and they gain size like there's no tomorrow.

 

[Castro_bigdog]

Once again a scientific explanation is in order. In reality an individual can not accuratly compare 2 cycles against each other because too many variables change. You SHOULD be more advanced during your second cycle for starters so gains should be less IF everything else is equal but its not. Stress, nutrition, intensity in the gym and AAS used, brand, lot etc all change so nothing is ever equal.

Saying enth works better than cyp or vise versa really means nothing in the context of a single users data.

Also the ester makes up part of the overall content of test. A short ester product thats 200mg per ml will have more actual test than a longer ester product so once again cant compare test prop to test cyp fairly unless you at least up the amount of longer ester so exact same amount of actual test is injected.

At the end of the day, the gear is probably the least important aspect of a persons success anyway.

Thanks for the great reply bro really appreciate it..... And everything you say makes a lot of sense.....

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[Castro_bigdog]

So he can be seen as a guru, or ahead of his time per say.

I see your point and I have seen him change his thoughts on things depending how old the video is

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[STTM]

I think the ester that a compound has will changes it's effect on how it works. I don't see much of a difference between Test E or C.. but take something like NPP and Deca. Those 2 compounds have the same drug, but act differently because of how fast it hits. Same thing is true for Tren A and Tren E.

 

[STTM]

I see your point and I have seen him change his thoughts on things depending how old the video is

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I've watched almost all of his videos. Props to him for being upfront about steroids, and he seems very honest with no bullshit. But some of the stuff he says is just nonsense. For instance, he considers shooting 5000iu of HCG everyday for 4 weeks as "coming off".

 

[Castro_bigdog]

I've watched almost all of his videos. Props to him for being upfront about steroids, and he seems very honest with no bullshit. But some of the stuff he says is just nonsense. For instance, he considers shooting 5000iu of HCG everyday for 4 weeks as "coming off".

LoL.... I question the 5000iu thing too.....

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[Castro_bigdog]

I think the ester that a compound has will changes it's effect on how it works. I don't see much of a difference between Test E or C.. but take something like NPP and Deca. Those 2 compounds have the same drug, but act differently because of how fast it hits. Same thing is true for Tren A and Tren E.

I've never took the Deca tip but I love Tren E... when it's real Tren E.... I've had sources that where full of shit or way under dosed on there tren e... it would bulk me up but no night sweats..... and I'd look like I'm holding water alot more.... I know that when running tren night sweats are crazy and I can't sleep .... oh... also the old lady loves me on it because I'm .... well... u get the point.... as for Deca .... I never ran it.... was not a fan of the sides.... at least what I've read here back in the days....

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[Zyglamail]

I think the ester that a compound has will changes it's effect on how it works. I don't see much of a difference between Test E or C.. but take something like NPP and Deca. Those 2 compounds have the same drug, but act differently because of how fast it hits. Same thing is true for Tren A and Tren E.

This goes back to what I said about the ester making up part of the weight of the product dose.

200mg deca may only be 125mg of actual AAS while the rest is ester. Compared to a short or no ester product where 200mg will be 190mg of actual AAS.

I dont have the exact context of what was said/implied but if he stated to switch from enth to cyp and then to prop and then to deop every 3 weeks on a 12 week cycle its the same thing as saying every three weeks increase your dose of enth by 20% because as the product switches and ester gets shorter there is more AAS per mg.

 

[chizzled77]

What I beleive Rich Piana meant is.....The switching of compounds every 3 to 4 weeks is more to avoid a plateau with the compounds. This way you dont have to increase the dosages and waste money....when you can just switch to another compound and stay at minimum dosages. You save money and compound....less is more.

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[Zyglamail]

What I beleive Rich Piana meant is.....The switching of compounds every 3 to 4 weeks is more to avoid a plateau with the compounds. This way you dont have to increase the dosages and waste money....when you can just switch to another compound and stay at minimum dosages. You save money and compound....less is more.

For starters, having to buy 3 different types of test doesnt save you any money. Next stating your not changing the dose is inaccurate.

If you start the cycle on enth and 3 weeks later switch to prop and run the same mg amount 2 things are happening. For starters the enth levels are just peaking and secondly the prop, due to its short ester will become active much faster so instead of having a constant blood level the prop will cause a spike in test partially because its ester is removed faster and partially because there is more test mer mg of prop than there is enth.

So in a round about way you ARE taking more when you switch to a shorter ester.

Now, Im not saying it doesnt work because I think it would but not exactly for the reasons he says it will. It works because by changing etsers your changing dose AND speed at which it becomes usable. Additionally if you are switching between base compounds (say test to tren) your switching to an actual different compound with different properties and slightly different modes of action.

What he proposes is for very advanced users. You need to know how your body responds to all these compounds alone before you start stacking and switching with that frequency otherwise you could find yourself in a shit storm of sides and have no idea whats causing it. Yet all the noobs run around thinking thats how they want to run their first cycle because it produces amazing gains when they cant even break 200lbs naturally and have no business even using AAS.

 

[MaxxReps]

I do think there may be different reactions based on different esters. I've been thinking about why so many claim that short ester test leaves them less bloated than longer ester test. Enough people say this that its possible its not just broscience. Its possible that because test prop for example gets in your bloodstream faster that it overwhelms your aromatase enzymes and end up with a higher test/estrogen ratio than with a longer ester. This and of course what others have mentioned that with a shorter ester there is actually more of the hormone.

But there isn't enough difference between enanthate and cypionate to make a difference, IMO.

 

[chizzled77]

For starters, having to buy 3 different types of test doesnt save you any money. Next stating your not changing the dose is inaccurate.

If you start the cycle on enth and 3 weeks later switch to prop and run the same mg amount 2 things are happening. For starters the enth levels are just peaking and secondly the prop, due to its short ester will become active much faster so instead of having a constant blood level the prop will cause a spike in test partially because its ester is removed faster and partially because there is more test mer mg of prop than there is enth.

So in a round about way you ARE taking more when you switch to a shorter ester.

Now, Im not saying it doesnt work because I think it would but not exactly for the reasons he says it will. It works because by changing etsers your changing dose AND speed at which it becomes usable. Additionally if you are switching between base compounds (say test to tren) your switching to an actual different compound with different properties and slightly different modes of action.

What he proposes is for very advanced users. You need to know how your body responds to all these compounds alone before you start stacking and switching with that frequency otherwise you could find yourself in a shit storm of sides and have no idea whats causing it. Yet all the noobs run around thinking thats how they want to run their first cycle because it produces amazing gains when they cant even break 200lbs naturally and have no business even using AAS.

I was speaking more of different compounds such as dbol, deca, anavar, tren, primo, mast, etc.
Not different esters of the same compound like cyp, Enenthate, prop, acetate.


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[Zyglamail]

I was speaking more of different compounds such as dbol, deca, anavar, tren, primo, mast, etc.
Not different esters of the same compound like cyp, Enenthate, prop, acetate.

It doesnt really matter. So instead of buying 2x 10ml 250 sust you have to buy 3x 10ml of different stuff and have left overs. If your using the same dosees when switching your not saving anything. You actually have to spend more but granted you will have leftovers to use for a second run.

 

[Castro_bigdog]

Thanks for all the great replies bros..... I'm trying something of a test on the claim... I will up date within the next 3 weeks.... I know my body in and out and how I respond to gear.... so if there is any bump in strength or cuts.... what not.... I will update here....

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[chizzled77]

Also, since every compound costs different...your cycle might either save you money or could cost you depending on which compounds you go with. However you might not need to dose as much.

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[Castro_bigdog]

Also, since every compound costs different...your cycle might either save you money or could cost you depending on which compounds you go with. However you might not need to dose as much.

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Years ago I used to think the higher the dose the bigger the gains lol.... now I know better .... 500 a week is more than enough if I'm taking in the right amount of food... cal.... protein ... so on

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[Castro_bigdog]

I am eating way leaner now then I used to.... I was at 270 benching 450 but after years of carrying that wait around I decided to start cleaning up more towards that picture of me from back in the day

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[Castro_bigdog]

Plus to top it off I tore my pectoral muscle so I can't lift heavy anymore anyway lol

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