switching gears compounds every 3 weeks

[Castro_bigdog]

I think the ester that a compound has will changes it's effect on how it works. I don't see much of a difference between Test E or C.. but take something like NPP and Deca. Those 2 compounds have the same drug, but act differently because of how fast it hits. Same thing is true for Tren A and Tren E.

I've never took the Deca tip but I love Tren E... when it's real Tren E.... I've had sources that where full of shit or way under dosed on there tren e... it would bulk me up but no night sweats..... and I'd look like I'm holding water alot more.... I know that when running tren night sweats are crazy and I can't sleep .... oh... also the old lady loves me on it because I'm .... well... u get the point.... as for Deca .... I never ran it.... was not a fan of the sides.... at least what I've read here back in the days....

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[Zyglamail]

I think the ester that a compound has will changes it's effect on how it works. I don't see much of a difference between Test E or C.. but take something like NPP and Deca. Those 2 compounds have the same drug, but act differently because of how fast it hits. Same thing is true for Tren A and Tren E.

This goes back to what I said about the ester making up part of the weight of the product dose.

200mg deca may only be 125mg of actual AAS while the rest is ester. Compared to a short or no ester product where 200mg will be 190mg of actual AAS.

I dont have the exact context of what was said/implied but if he stated to switch from enth to cyp and then to prop and then to deop every 3 weeks on a 12 week cycle its the same thing as saying every three weeks increase your dose of enth by 20% because as the product switches and ester gets shorter there is more AAS per mg.

 

[chizzled77]

What I beleive Rich Piana meant is.....The switching of compounds every 3 to 4 weeks is more to avoid a plateau with the compounds. This way you dont have to increase the dosages and waste money....when you can just switch to another compound and stay at minimum dosages. You save money and compound....less is more.

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[Zyglamail]

What I beleive Rich Piana meant is.....The switching of compounds every 3 to 4 weeks is more to avoid a plateau with the compounds. This way you dont have to increase the dosages and waste money....when you can just switch to another compound and stay at minimum dosages. You save money and compound....less is more.

For starters, having to buy 3 different types of test doesnt save you any money. Next stating your not changing the dose is inaccurate.

If you start the cycle on enth and 3 weeks later switch to prop and run the same mg amount 2 things are happening. For starters the enth levels are just peaking and secondly the prop, due to its short ester will become active much faster so instead of having a constant blood level the prop will cause a spike in test partially because its ester is removed faster and partially because there is more test mer mg of prop than there is enth.

So in a round about way you ARE taking more when you switch to a shorter ester.

Now, Im not saying it doesnt work because I think it would but not exactly for the reasons he says it will. It works because by changing etsers your changing dose AND speed at which it becomes usable. Additionally if you are switching between base compounds (say test to tren) your switching to an actual different compound with different properties and slightly different modes of action.

What he proposes is for very advanced users. You need to know how your body responds to all these compounds alone before you start stacking and switching with that frequency otherwise you could find yourself in a shit storm of sides and have no idea whats causing it. Yet all the noobs run around thinking thats how they want to run their first cycle because it produces amazing gains when they cant even break 200lbs naturally and have no business even using AAS.

 

[MaxxReps]

I do think there may be different reactions based on different esters. I've been thinking about why so many claim that short ester test leaves them less bloated than longer ester test. Enough people say this that its possible its not just broscience. Its possible that because test prop for example gets in your bloodstream faster that it overwhelms your aromatase enzymes and end up with a higher test/estrogen ratio than with a longer ester. This and of course what others have mentioned that with a shorter ester there is actually more of the hormone.

But there isn't enough difference between enanthate and cypionate to make a difference, IMO.

 

[chizzled77]

For starters, having to buy 3 different types of test doesnt save you any money. Next stating your not changing the dose is inaccurate.

If you start the cycle on enth and 3 weeks later switch to prop and run the same mg amount 2 things are happening. For starters the enth levels are just peaking and secondly the prop, due to its short ester will become active much faster so instead of having a constant blood level the prop will cause a spike in test partially because its ester is removed faster and partially because there is more test mer mg of prop than there is enth.

So in a round about way you ARE taking more when you switch to a shorter ester.

Now, Im not saying it doesnt work because I think it would but not exactly for the reasons he says it will. It works because by changing etsers your changing dose AND speed at which it becomes usable. Additionally if you are switching between base compounds (say test to tren) your switching to an actual different compound with different properties and slightly different modes of action.

What he proposes is for very advanced users. You need to know how your body responds to all these compounds alone before you start stacking and switching with that frequency otherwise you could find yourself in a shit storm of sides and have no idea whats causing it. Yet all the noobs run around thinking thats how they want to run their first cycle because it produces amazing gains when they cant even break 200lbs naturally and have no business even using AAS.

I was speaking more of different compounds such as dbol, deca, anavar, tren, primo, mast, etc.
Not different esters of the same compound like cyp, Enenthate, prop, acetate.


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[Zyglamail]

I was speaking more of different compounds such as dbol, deca, anavar, tren, primo, mast, etc.
Not different esters of the same compound like cyp, Enenthate, prop, acetate.

It doesnt really matter. So instead of buying 2x 10ml 250 sust you have to buy 3x 10ml of different stuff and have left overs. If your using the same dosees when switching your not saving anything. You actually have to spend more but granted you will have leftovers to use for a second run.

 

[Castro_bigdog]

Thanks for all the great replies bros..... I'm trying something of a test on the claim... I will up date within the next 3 weeks.... I know my body in and out and how I respond to gear.... so if there is any bump in strength or cuts.... what not.... I will update here....

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[chizzled77]

Also, since every compound costs different...your cycle might either save you money or could cost you depending on which compounds you go with. However you might not need to dose as much.

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[Castro_bigdog]

Also, since every compound costs different...your cycle might either save you money or could cost you depending on which compounds you go with. However you might not need to dose as much.

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Years ago I used to think the higher the dose the bigger the gains lol.... now I know better .... 500 a week is more than enough if I'm taking in the right amount of food... cal.... protein ... so on

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