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Stew, why are you warning about building up resistance to gear,there is no such thing

I agree that long-term site degradation is virtually non-existent. However, many agree that one's first cycle is the best... Why? I don't know? We say that the receptors are wide-open… What are we really referring to from a physiological level?

From an acute perspective, changing gear in a cycle can help reduce the decrease in the receptor site efficiency and ultimately maximize results...

Regardless of any argument such as the body’s ability to breakdown molecules, receptor site integrity is the key factor to the augment growth.
Some are born with more sites (or more efficient sites) and get the most results off of the same amount of gear considering all things equal - that's called gifted genetics...
 
Now I'm offended. My BA did alsolutely nothing for me............law school will do lots:D
So yes, my paychecks will hopefully be quite large.:D :D :D :D

Back to the point..............i was trying to illustrate that AS do not effect the body in the same way as opiates,barbituates, or halucinigens. They all effect different receptors and all builld up different kinds of reactions. Hormones act in quite a different way than other drugs administered to the body. They are in a class to themselves. I'll do some research for you on the topic tommorow and post tommorow night. And just so that the arguments are kept to a minimum.......I'll even post the bibliography.

Oh yeah.............Darksun, didn't mean to offend you, so relax.
 
2Thick, sorry, never heard of theory that receptors build up a tolerance to certaine compounds....do you mind to elaborate?
Guards, it's not that simple as you think, but hopefully after your research tomorrow, you will bring us some new and exciting information on a subject..
:)
 
guards...

Now I really hate you - since you will be a lawyer (j/k)...
On the other hand, maybe I might need you some day so it is probably in my best interest to keep you as a friend.

Seriously, I look forward to you conclusions...

At the end of the day, we all have a common interest on this board and I love it...
 
panerai said:
2Thick, sorry, never heard of theory that receptors build up a tolerance to certaine compounds....do you mind to elaborate?
:)

Receptors upregulate temporarily but then downregulate proportionally to the time the receptor is exposed to a static stimuli. All receptors build up tolerance to all substances after a period or time (depending on the compound) which, in turn, will require a higher dosage to make the same progress that was exhibited earlier ( at a lower dosage).

the best real world example is resistance to alcohol that is built up over time. For Example, the amount that got you drunk when you first began is not the same after a period of steady drinking.
 
This is something Iron Game posted before.

Androgen receptors down-regulate….Don't they? One misunderstood principle of steroid physiology is the concept of androgen receptors (AR), sometimes called "steroid receptors", and the effects of steroid use on their regulation. It is commonly believed that taking androgens for extended periods of time will lead to what is called AR "down regulation". The premise for this argument is; when using steroids during an extended cycle, you eventually stop growing even though the dose has not decreased. This belief has persisted despite the fact that there is no scientific evidence to date that shows that increased levels of androgens down regulates the androgen receptor in muscle tissue.

The argument for AR down-regulation sounds pretty straightforward on the surface. After all, we know that receptor down-regulation happens with other messenger-mediated systems in the body such as adrenergic receptors. It has been shown that when taking a beta agonist such as Clenbuterol, the number of beta-receptors on target cells begins to decrease. (This is due to a decrease in the half-life of receptor proteins without a decrease in the rate that the cell is making new receptors.) This leads to a decrease in the potency of a given dose. Subsequently, with fewer receptors you get a smaller, or diminished, physiological response. This is a natural way for your body to maintain equilibrium in the face of an unusually high level of beta-agonism.

In reality this example using Clenbuterol is not an appropriate one. Androgen receptors and adrenergic receptors are quite different. Nevertheless, this is the argument for androgen receptor down-regulation and the reasoning behind it. The differences in the regulation of ARs and adrenergic receptors in part show the error in the view that AR down-regulate when you take steroids. Where adrenergic receptor half-life is decreased in most target cells with increased catecholamines, AR receptors half-live's are actually increased in many tissues in the presence of androgens.1 Let me present a different argument against AR down-regulation in muscle tissue. I feel
that once you consider all of the effects of testosterone on muscle cells you come to realize that when you eventually stop growing (or grow more slowly) it is not because there is a reduction in the number of androgen receptors. Testosterone: A multifaceted anabolic
Consider the question, "How do anabolic steroids produce muscle growth?" If you were to ask the average bodybuilding enthusiast I think you would hear, "steroids increase protein synthesis." This is true, however there is more to it than simple increases in protein synthesis. In fact, the answer to the question of how steroids work must include virtually every mechanism involved in skeletal muscle hypertrophy.
These mechanisms
include:
Enhanced protein synthesis
Enhanced protein synthesis
Enhanced growth factor activity (e.g. GH, IGF-1, etc.)
Enhanced activation of myogenic stem cells (i.e. satellite cells)
Enhanced myonuclear number (to maintain nuclear to cytoplasmic ratio)
New myofiber formation

Starting with enhanced growth factor activity, we know that testosterone increases GH and IGF-1 levels. In a study by Fryburg the effects of testosterone and stanozolol were compared for their effects on stimulating GH release.2 Testosterone enanthate (only 3 mg per kg per week) increased GH levels by 22% and IGF-1 levels by 21% whereas oral stanozolol (0.1mg per kg per day) had no effect whatsoever on GH or IGF-1 levels. This study was only 2-3 weeks long, and although stanozolol did not effect GH or IGF-1 levels, it had a similar effect on urinary nitrogen levels. What does this difference in the effects of testosterone and stanozolol mean? It means that stanozolol may increase protein synthesis by binding to AR receptors in existing myonuclei, however, because it does not increase growth factor levels it is much less effective at activating satellite cells and therefore may not increase satellite cell activity nor myonuclear number directly when compared to testosterone esters. I will explain the importance of increasing myonuclear number in a moment, first lets look at how increases in GH and IGF-1 subsequent to testosterone use effects satellite cells. Don't forget Satellite cells! Satellite cells are myogenic stem cells, or pre-muscle cells, that serve to assist regeneration of adult skeletal muscle. Following proliferation (reproduction) and subsequent differentiation (to become a specific type of cell), satellite cells will fuse with one another or with the adjacent damaged muscle fiber, thereby increasing the number of myonuclei for fiber growth and repair. Proliferation of satellite cells is necessary in order to meet the needs of thousands of muscle cells all potentially requiring additional nuclei. Differentiation is necessary in order for the new nucleus to behave as a nucleus of muscle origin. The number of myonuclei directly determines the capacity of a muscle cell to manufacture proteins, including androgen receptors.

In order to better understand what is physically happening between satellite cells and muscle cells, try to picture 2 oil droplets floating on water. The two droplets represent a muscle cell and a satellite cell. Because the lipid bilayer of cells are hydrophobic just like common oil droplets, when brought into proximity to one another in an aqueous environment, they will come into contact for a moment and then fuse together to form one larger oil droplet. Now whatever was dissolved within one droplet (i.e. nuclei) will then mix with the contents of the other droplet. This is a simplified model of how satellite cells donate nuclei, and thus protein-synthesizing capacity, to existing muscle cells.

Enhanced activation of satellite cells by testosterone requires IGF-1. Those androgens that aromatize are effective at not only increasing IGF-1 levels but also the sensitivity of satellite cells to growth factors.3 This action has no direct effect on protein synthesis, but it does lead to a greater capacity for protein synthesis by increasing fusion of satellite cells to existing fibers. This increases the number of myonuclei and therefore the capacity of the cell to produce proteins. That is why arge bodybuilders will benefit significantly more from high levels of androgens compared to a relatively new user.

Testosterone would be much less effective if it were not able to increase myonucleation. There is finite limit placed on the cytoplasmic/nuclear ratio, or the size of a muscle cell in relation to the number of nuclei it contains.4 Whenever a muscle grows in response to training there is a coordinated increase in the number of myonuclei and the increase in fiber cross sectional area (CSA). When satellite cells are prohibited from donating viable nuclei, overloaded muscle will not grow.5,6 Clearly, satellite cell activity is a required step, or prerequisite, in compensatory muscle hypertrophy, for without it, a muscle simply cannot significantly increase total protein content or CSA.

More myonuclei mean more receptors So it is not only true that testosterone increases protein synthesis by activating genetic expression, it also increases the capacity of the muscle to grow in the future by leading to the accumulation of myonuclei which are required for protein synthesis. There is good reason to believe that testosterone in high enough doses may even encourage new fiber formation. To quote the authors of a recent study on the effects of steroids on muscle cells: "Intake of anabolic steroids and strength-training induce an increase in muscle size by both hypertrophy and the formation of new muscle fibers.

We propose that activation of satellite cells is a key process and is enhanced by the steroid use."7 Simply stated, supraphysiological levels of testosterone give rise to increased numbers of myonuclei and thereby an increase in the number of total androgen receptors per muscle fiber. Keep in mind that I am referring to testosterone and testosterone esters. Not the neutered designer androgens that people take to avoid side effects. This is not an argument to rapidly increase the dosages you use. It takes time for these changes to
occur and the benefits of higher testosterone levels will not be immediately realized. Maintenance of the kind of muscle mass seen in top-level bodybuilders today requires a given level of androgens in the body. That level will vary from individual to individual depending on their genetics. Nevertheless, if the androgen level drops, or if they were to "cycle off" the absolute level of lean mass will also drop. Likewise, as the level of androgens goes up, so will the level of lean mass that individual will be able to maintain. All of this happens without any evidence of AR down regulation. More accurately it demonstrates a relationship between the amount of androgens in the blood stream and the amount of lean mass that you can maintain. This does not mean that all you need is massive doses to get huge. Recruitment of satellite cells and increased myonucleation requires consistent "effective" training, massive amounts of food, and most importantly, time. Start out with reasonable doses. Then, as you get bigger you can adjust your doses upwards.
 
Alright lads, this is what I've got so far:

"There are three distinct kinds of tolerance: pharmacokinetic tolerance, pharmcodynymic ( also called functional and nonassociative toleracne" and context specific tolerance ( also called behavioural, learned, or associative tolerance.)Pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic tolerance are produce by exposure to high concentrations of a drug, generally with a certain minimum amount of of exposure time required, and are not affected by enviromental or behavioural manipulations of the organism." This would put AS tolerance into pharmacokinetic/pharmacodynamic tolerance categories.
"THe most prominent mechanism behind pharmacokinetic tolerance is the ability of the liver to synthesise more drug-metabolizing enzymes than normal when exposed to a drug. This process requires repeateed exposrures to the drug for some legth of time. However, the peak intensity of the drug's action may not be reduced very much though this mechanism, particualry if administered intramuscularly, because the drug muft first pass though the liver before it can be metabolized."
"Tolerance to a drug may also develop because the drug's pharcodynamic properties lead to a depletion of neurotransmitters critical to the drug's effects.The drug's actions may lead to a depletion of the transmitters either because the transmittersare used faster than they can be replenished or because the actual synthesis of the transmitters is decreased (perhaps because of excessive activy at the autoreceptors). Therefor, with fewer transmitter molecules available, a larger dose must be administerd."

" It shoudl be added that learning has also been suggested to be a processs by which increased drug sensitivity exposure can come about ( a phenomenon referreed to earlier as revers tolerance or sensitization)"

"Drugs and Behaviour", third edition, David M. Grilly, 1999, Harvard Univeristy, Allyn and Bacon LTD. Pages 95-122




I still have more to go through, I'll post more as I learn it.


Hope this helps!!!

Cheers
 
Please

Can anyone name any substance that can be supplemented in to the human body, without the body building up resistance too?

Forget about any toxic substance that will cause major damage to the body if use over lengthy periods of time.

Why is it we use clen for 2 -3 weeks then come off before going back on?

Why is it that after 4 weeks minocin stopped having any effect on my acne?

Why is it..........
 
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