Steroids, bodybuilding, and martial arts

[BigWh1tey]

my old karate teacher was telling me that wing chun (ving tun) was the most lethal martial art for the street. What kinds of things does it teach you that are banned in the UFC? And why is it good for multiple attackers?

Its a straight forward linear attack system , all the hand strikes are practiced with fingers extended to the eyes , or punches to the thoat or chin , it is in western terms a "dirty fighters" art . Its the flowery Gung Fu whittled down to its basic effective elements .

 

[KA-BAR]

I agree with dragonacious. There is no Martial art that dominates over all the rest. (MMA) mixed martial arts is by far the best. Take what works and throw out what dont. I was an excellent wrestler in high school and in the marine corps. Wrestling alone wont do it. Lots of diff combos to play with. What ive seen alot though in (NHB) and in street fights is if you can out strike your opponent on his feet and he cannot take you to the ground he will be in trouble. And fatiuge makes cowards out of us all. be in shape. Just my 2 cent.

 

[Kodesh]

Interesting

Ok, just for a record i did a few years of Judo and i like grappling.

Anyway, i find it somewhat ironic that people tend to judge fighting styles based on NHB. I do agree that in one-on-one situation grappler might have better chances of winning. But since we are talking about "street fights", statements like "BJJ or Classical wrestling is da best" are very stange...to say at least. I don't know about your previous experience guys, but from my perspective most of the street fights involve 3+ people. You cant really go for take down and spend another 30sec looking for armbar or a choke , 'cuz you are very likely to get kicked in the head by somebody else. The end. Not to mention people bite scracth etc on ground.
I do agree that crosstraining is the key tho. But for pure street situation i would favor a good striker with a gun.

In my opinion Boxing is the best stype out there. Why? It is very simple and effective. Given limited number of strikes a good coach would set a good punch for you in 6 months. And its all you need to know. I don't know any other MA style wich will make a decent fighter out of you in such short period of time. Kickboxing is good too, lower kicks are fucking killers, but leg strikes take more time to learn.

Also i would not disrespect Traditional MA styles. Most of them are very commercialised in the united states nowadays and besides the name have nothing in common with real systems. You must also understand that TMA are basically a lifestyle, fighting applications just a small part of 'em.

PS: sorry for english...just study.
PSS: BJJ is very overrated...Sambo kicks ass.

 

[Milo]

There's a very good saying in mixed martial arts- "Everyone has a plan- until they get hit." If you think you're a badass go down to your local BJJ school or MMA Club and you'll find out for sure.

 

[b fold the truth]

There is no best martial art. There is only the best martial artist. A true martial artist will learn and be open to all styles of fighting. Learn from one, learn from another...and don't fight just one way...fight your way.

I am not for sure why everyone feels that they will be able to handle themselves in a real street-fight in a manner which will lead them to winning. When you get into a fight...you never know what is going to happen. All the training in the world is not going to guarantee you victory. Size means very little also...I hate it when I sparr with a 190lb guy who just whipps me to death.

Be happy with who you are, train with all you have, and most of all...there is something to be said for modesty.

B True

 

[Cuts]

I'm 5' 10" 230lbs and a GJJ purple (all no Gi). , I haven't gotten in a fight since I was 16 and I don't intend to.

Hell, at 5'10" 230, I'm not surprised you haven't been in any fights lately ! lol

 

[Justtryingnot2getfat]

i give a hearty second to Kookyguy, its definitely the fighter not the art. most street fights against truly good fighters are over before they begin - if youre good you simply aviod the situation if u can and if not mostly you disable the guy while he is still blustering in order to get on to his friends which are usually waiting.

 

[powerlifterjay]

I agree with Milo. You can easily walk in to a BJJ school and make a challenge. At our school we had others from the shootfighting school in another town come over and challange. Most were just grappling but others were NHB right there on the mats. I did it for a coupl eof yrs, and i dont mean half ass i was in it, and yes you will get tapped out by little guys with big egos, I too am 5'10 and 240 lbs i was smaller then but i had a bulls eye on me, and i will tell ya you will be humbled. So i will say this if your goal is to fight in NHB you Better know submission. Period. But as far as going out clubbin and fightin someone on the street or in a bar, we here where i am from have a name for that too. Its called "Hockey Style". That means your in close and you throw fast, hard , head shots one after the other of course trying to slip as many as you can don tgo bullistic. But just throw till they fall. In fact the last 3 or 4 i have been in was just that. But One time we gott in to it with a bunch of locals at a bar one night , and the place is realy rough. But as all the shit broke out there were 4 of us and 3 were double teamed, and i had 3 then 4 at the end. Its funny cause this guy that came at me first was going to kick me when i was down, i had already been hit with a mug, in th eback of th ehead. As he cam eclose i double legged him, to keep from being kicked. This little redneck knew some fuckin grappling. I was a active BJJ student at the time and his gaurd wasnt strong enough to keep me at bay by himself, but i was having trouble recovering fromothe shot with th emug. Anyway long story short while he was under me i punched on him while his boys were fuckin me up, hittin me in the head and elbowing my
back. Then as i was standing up i was leaned over the guy under me, and he said he'd had enough, but at that time there was a guy on my back just holding my arms, and shirt, so it was hard to throw fast and get iup. Then before i knew it i seen a pair of black cowboy boots coming straight at me , Bam , broke my fuckin nose. The police were rounding up at that point and i got in my truck and let me tell ya i was fuckied up bad. I don tgive a shit what you know or what you take you meet the right person, or a few people , and they get off first or what ever, the odds arent always in your favor, and you can get seriously hurt in a street fighting atmosphere. My wife seen that and it upset her bad. I used to get in a lot of fights back in my early 20's. But now even though i havent had a chance to try it, i would walk away. I don tpu tmy self in those situations any more. Or my wife.

 

[DTown Boxer]

Kickboxing is great, I used to train people in it, and so is boxing but anymore you have to be well rounded in MMA.

No matter what you train in, The key to being a good fighter is actually sparring, you can kick and punch a bag all day long but until you get in a ring and practice with some one throwing punches at you, you will not be that effective out on the street or in the ring,

 

[PhatPat]

Yeah I took some Wing Chun myself for a while, and some fighting Tai Chi. A friend of mine took jujitsu. He was a bad mother fucker. When I studied Wing Chun, my sifu was the first student of one of the first four students of Grandmaster Yip Mon of Wing Chun Kung Fu. Which means that the dude was one of the top four sifus of Wing Chun in the world. He told me that a master of Wing Chun would probably be the most lethal. It takes ten years before you can become a master under his instruction. And I can say and I will laugh at anyone that tells me otherwise, that Bruce Lee was a bad mother fucker but he wasnt that good. He only studied Wing Chun for a year and then started working and he developed his own style. My cousin has studied both and he says that Wing Chun is far superior than Jeet Kun Do. Wing Chun masters are so lethal because of their use of their Chi(internal energy). Although very few people have harnessed the energy, those that have know what I am talking about. Anyone that has developed their chi with a fighting style is unstoppable. It only takes on shot. My sifu knew all the accupressure points, as well as having developed his chi, and was a master at his style. The dude was unstoppable (couldnt be touched). I would recommend Wing Chun, but I would advise you to do some research before you get in, like about the instructor. Also, it is not a bodybuilders martial art. It is for quick light people, if you are too bulky, you will get your ass kicked.