So is the NSA security leaker a hero, villian or both?

[redsamurai]

So Google knows how many times I typed "pole" into a search engine

rest assured google knows your a useless cntfgt.


cheers.

 

[mrplunkey]

You can try to avoid google but the alternatives are no better. There are a thousand ways you can choose to live an anonymous life. And I have done it, back when I needed to. It's difficult and inconvenient, and I agree, it sucks. It doesn't matter if its private or public owned intrusion.

Do you really not recognize the difference?

We have choices with private companies. State and local laws can touch them as well. They can be sued (they don't have sovereign immunity).

The government is supposedly constrained against unreasonable search and seizures. The fourth amendment is supposed to protect us from government overreach.

 

[Headholio]

Do you really not recognize the difference?

We have choices with private companies. State and local laws can touch them as well. They can be sued (they don't have sovereign immunity).

The government is supposedly constrained against unreasonable search and seizures. The fourth amendment is supposed to protect us from government overreach.

Yes we are protected from government over reach and unreasonable search and seisure. And that's a good thing.
On the other hand, we simply accept the fact that our privacy has been stolen by corporations and there is nothing we can do about it.
Applying for a job? Hand over those bodily fluids for analysis. No reasonable suspicion needed.
Using a computer at work? Every keystroke is logged.
And how convenient those debit cards are. Every single purchase logged. who needs cash!
Etc.

Where are the choices you talk about? The choice to not work? The choice to not own a cell phone? there are only 4 cell companies and they are all the same. The choice to not use a computer? Yeah, those are choices, but for the vast majority we just know that we are being watched, and overall people don't really seem to care that much.

So I am just pointing out the incongruency between people's actions and their so called concern with privacy. Add to that the inexplicable trust people have for the bank or the ISP that is monitoring your every move, vs the paranoia about the government. They all will fuck you.

 

[zwhit]

Yes we are protected from government over reach and unreasonable search and seisure. And that's a good thing.
On the other hand, we simply accept the fact that our privacy has been stolen by corporations and there is nothing we can do about it.
Applying for a job? Hand over those bodily fluids for analysis. No reasonable suspicion needed.
Using a computer at work? Every keystroke is logged.
And how convenient those debit cards are. Every single purchase logged. who needs cash!
Etc.

Where are the choices you talk about? The choice to not work? The choice to not own a cell phone? there are only 4 cell companies and they are all the same. The choice to not use a computer? Yeah, those are choices, but for the vast majority we just know that we are being watched, and overall people don't really seem to care that much.

So I am just pointing out the incongruency between people's actions and their so called concern with privacy. Add to that the inexplicable trust people have for the bank or the ISP that is monitoring your every move, vs the paranoia about the government. They all will fuck you.

lol @ this argument

we should just throw that little constitution out since we have to take a piss test to obtain a job.

 

[nydj66]

Yes we are protected from government over reach and unreasonable search and seisure. And that's a good thing.
On the other hand, we simply accept the fact that our privacy has been stolen by corporations and there is nothing we can do about it.
Applying for a job? Hand over those bodily fluids for analysis. No reasonable suspicion needed.
Using a computer at work? Every keystroke is logged.
And how convenient those debit cards are. Every single purchase logged. who needs cash!
Etc.

Where are the choices you talk about? The choice to not work? The choice to not own a cell phone? there are only 4 cell companies and they are all the same. The choice to not use a computer? Yeah, those are choices, but for the vast majority we just know that we are being watched, and overall people don't really seem to care that much.

So I am just pointing out the incongruency between people's actions and their so called concern with privacy. Add to that the inexplicable trust people have for the bank or the ISP that is monitoring your every move, vs the paranoia about the government. They all will fuck you.

You do have the choice not to own a cell phone. When I was in elementary school there were no cell phones or even answering machines. Somehow we all survived.

The truth is you've already made the choice when you purchase that cell phone, you just wish the situation was different.

And what difference would it make if collecting that data was illegal. Every member of EF should understand if something is possible AND beneficial to someone, (like AAS use) it will be done regardless of the law.

 

[Headholio]

lol @ this argument

we should just throw that little constitution out since we have to take a piss test to obtain a job.

Way to miss the point hillbilly.

Privacy is important and getting taken away is bad, no matter who is doing it. I hope you can grasp that because I can't make it much simpler.

 

[bigbassturd]

Lol @ HH being so stupid he can't see the difference in accepting the terms and conditions when willfully purchasing a service from a private corporation, and having the Federal fucking Government dip their dirty ass fingers into that private company's records to spy on civilians 'for the greater good'

For the record, it has worked so fucking well right? I mean I am glad they noticed the algorithms and patterns in their stolen records and stopped those Boston Marathon bomber guys before they hurt anyone....

 

[billfred]

Here is my thoughts. When the Patriot Act came through, I thought this was a violation of our rights. I debated with people and they said, this is war, Government has to take war like actions.

Since then, they have probably broken up at least 4 terrorist acts. So now I am thinking, well maybe we lose some rights to gain some security. But where do they draw the line? That is the scary part.

As far as this snitch, what he did was a major violation of our security, illegal, and must be prosecuted.

 

[zwhit]

Way to miss the point hillbilly.

Privacy is important and getting taken away is bad, no matter who is doing it. I hope you can grasp that because I can't make it much simpler.

you're so mad lol

I understand your point perfectly. it's just that you are using asinine examples to make a weak argument in favor of this being okay.

 

[the_alcatraz]

As a muslim living in north America I WANT the government to listen in...maybe that will let them realise who's going to blow shit up BEFORE they do it...eliminate innocent people getting hurt and NOT treat EVERY muslim as a possible suspect on airports and shiznit

On a serious note, I kinda agree with Billfred said above...maybe lose some freedom for greater security but where can you draw the line and how many times can "little" be amended to "more" based on the situation