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Snowdon is a downright hero. I was skeptical at first, but now there's no doubt in my mind.


*Snowden

And it took you this long to figure out the dude was legit? Didn't we have a discussion here about him not too long ago?

Furthermore, consider for a moment the reactionary propaganda we got hit with when he bolted. Remember the whole "he's gonna cost americans their lives" and similar bullshit? Had nothing to do with any of that, they knew this stuff about us spying on our closest allies was going to come out. This is why they were pissed, they just tried to sell us on the traitor narrative. These revelations will likely cost american business overseas.
 
I'd rather it be us snooping on ourselves and our own tech giants than the Russians or the Chinese doing it if it means we are able to prevent the next 9/11 foreign or domestic. I have no problem with it to be honest.
 
I'd rather it be us snooping on ourselves and our own tech giants than the Russians or the Chinese doing it if it means we are able to prevent the next 9/11 foreign or domestic. I have no problem with it to be honest.

Benjamin Franklin : “People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both”

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Benjamin Franklin : “People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both”

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no one cares what those old guys said hundreds of years ago anymore. they'll just keep ignoring it until we slowly lose all of our freedoms and get taxed to the breaking point

we're starting to sound like "extreme right wing terrorists" now
 
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“The president should stop apologizing, stop being defensive. The reality is the NSA has saved thousands of lives not just in the United States but in France, Germany and throughout Europe.” — Rep. Peter King
 
“The president should stop apologizing, stop being defensive. The reality is the NSA has saved thousands of lives not just in the United States but in France, Germany and throughout Europe.” — Rep. Peter King

The NSA saved lives by tapping the German Chancellors phone? That's a stretch bro. If you have evidence someone is a terrorist and you tap their communications, that's fine. This catch net they're throwing out is going to get us embargoed if more comes out.
 
“The president should stop apologizing, stop being defensive. The reality is the NSA has saved thousands of lives not just in the United States but in France, Germany and throughout Europe.” — Rep. Peter King

But couldn't we save more lives and catch more bad guys if we just did away with warrents all together?

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In times of war I don't thing there are any rules. I may not agree with everything our gov does but I feel we do what we need tondo to keep is all safe at all costs.

Similar to the abortion thread I would think along the same lines of redsam's thinking in that thread - he doesn't think abortion is right but agrees with freedom of choice for the individual. I don't agree with what our gov does sometimes but I believe we need to do what it takes to keep our country safe and sometimes it involves a little dirty work - so be it.
 
In times of war I don't thing there are any rules. I may not agree with everything our gov does but I feel we do what we need tondo to keep is all safe at all costs.

Similar to the abortion thread I would think along the same lines of redsam's thinking in that thread - he doesn't think abortion is right but agrees with freedom of choice for the individual. I don't agree with what our gov does sometimes but I believe we need to do what it takes to keep our country safe and sometimes it involves a little dirty work - so be it.

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In times of war I don't thing there are any rules. I may not agree with everything our gov does but I feel we do what we need tondo to keep is all safe at all costs.

Similar to the abortion thread I would think along the same lines of redsam's thinking in that thread - he doesn't think abortion is right but agrees with freedom of choice for the individual. I don't agree with what our gov does sometimes but I believe we need to do what it takes to keep our country safe and sometimes it involves a little dirty work - so be it.

Rounding up millions of people's phone and email messages is more than a little dirty work.
 
Rounding up millions of people's phone and email messages is more than a little dirty work.

Honestly I don't care because most of us have nothing to hide. If they're looking for jihadists my email about 8000mg of primo isn't gonna mean shit to them.
 
I opened this thread with exactly 12 fucks to give.

After reading the posts, I now have a dozen fucks.

How many fucks did I give in this thread?
 
I opened this thread with exactly 12 fucks to give.

After reading the posts, I now have a dozen fucks.

How many fucks did I give in this thread?

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In times of war I don't thing there are any rules. I may not agree with everything our gov does but I feel we do what we need tondo to keep is all safe at all costs.

Similar to the abortion thread I would think along the same lines of redsam's thinking in that thread - he doesn't think abortion is right but agrees with freedom of choice for the individual. I don't agree with what our gov does sometimes but I believe we need to do what it takes to keep our country safe and sometimes it involves a little dirty work - so be it.


but tapping our friends? I mean if they come out tommorrow and say that ze germans have been clandestinely supplying terrorist groups ok...if I don't hear that though I"m calling shenanigans on tapping the German chancellor's phone. That's bullshit and we're doing it just cause we can at this point.
 
I opened this thread with exactly 12 fucks to give.

After reading the posts, I now have a dozen fucks.

How many fucks did I give in this thread?



holy jesus plunkeys the only one who see's the potential ramifications here. Am I gonna have to spoon with that ngr? Is that what you monkeys have done here?
 
but tapping our friends? I mean if they come out tommorrow and say that ze germans have been clandestinely supplying terrorist groups ok...if I don't hear that though I"m calling shenanigans on tapping the German chancellor's phone. That's bullshit and we're doing it just cause we can at this point.

Unless we are tapping into shit how will we know.
 
Governmental spying, like the Intarwebz, is serious bidness. Nothing that goes on should surprise anyone really. I bet there's some cray shit going on err day.
 
Exactly right DT. I assume there is crazy shit going on every day for the good of our country and we probably would all morally disagree with it, but when it comes to keeping our country safe I throw morals out the window.

Knowing the outcomes of some of the past attacks - how far would you go to stop them? 9/11, the subway in Madrid, the bus in the UK - knowing those outcomes and the lives that were impacted what length would you go to in order to obtain information to stop the next one?

We let some crazy people purchase firearms legally in this country but we are going to balk at spying on friends and neighbors? C'mon man!
 
Exactly right DT. I assume there is crazy shit going on every day for the good of our country and we probably would all morally disagree with it, but when it comes to keeping our country safe I throw morals out the window.

Knowing the outcomes of some of the past attacks - how far would you go to stop them? 9/11, the subway in Madrid, the bus in the UK - knowing those outcomes and the lives that were impacted what length would you go to in order to obtain information to stop the next one?

We let some crazy people purchase firearms legally in this country but we are going to balk at spying on friends and neighbors? C'mon man!

I'm always suspicious of someone doing something unilaterally on my behalf.

As late as the 1970's, we would do frontal lobotomies on patients because we thought we were acting in their self-interest.
 
If your in the business of information gathering in 2013, what would you focus on?

They hit the largest players of information gathering, data mining, and archiving in the business. Google is everywhere and our information security team (I work in a financial firm) does everything in its power to keep Google installs out of our environment. Why? Because their installs are always information gathering in the background and sending data back to Google whether you tell it to or not. It does it on your computer, mobile device, anywhere. We can't have that in a financial firm with sensitive data.
 
It should be illegal for the government to do that, particularly if the company doesn't know it is happening.

If your in the business of information gathering in 2013, what would you focus on?

They hit the largest players of information gathering, data mining, and archiving in the business. Google is everywhere and our information security team (I work in a financial firm) does everything in its power to keep Google installs out of our environment. Why? Because their installs are always information gathering in the background and sending data back to Google whether you tell it to or not. It does it on your computer, mobile device, anywhere. We can't have that in a financial firm with sensitive data.
 
I'm like this - I would never want to work in a meat processing plant and if I toured one I'd probably puke and become a vegetarian....but I'm glad somebody is doing that shit cuz I love me some steak. As long as I don't become the steak it's all good.
 
I'm always suspicious of someone doing something unilaterally on my behalf.

As late as the 1970's, we would do frontal lobotomies on patients because we thought we were acting in their self-interest.

Google "the Tuskegee experiment".
 
I'm like this - I would never want to work in a meat processing plant and if I toured one I'd probably puke and become a vegetarian....but I'm glad somebody is doing that shit cuz I love me some steak. As long as I don't become the steak it's all good.

Perfect analogy.
 
Wasn't it at some point that they can tap for 20 secs to determine if convo is relevant to terrorism and / or crime - after that they have to cut off for at least 2 mins before trying again?
 
Wasn't it at some point that they can tap for 20 secs to determine if convo is relevant to terrorism and / or crime - after that they have to cut off for at least 2 mins before trying again?

Isnt that like saying "I'll just put the tip in"
 
lol @ dialtone's two ridiculously contradicting posts

No, lol @ you for being too fucking stupid think I didn't see that. I was simply trying to drop some knowledge on brother plunkey.

Thy name is heretofore changed to nitwhit.
 
i don't really care who looks at my shit...i'm pretty boring...the story of my life would probably make a good night stand book...read two pages, fall asleep :whatever:
 
i don't really care who looks at my shit...i'm pretty boring...the story of my life would probably make a good night stand book...read two pages, fall asleep :whatever:

That isn't the point. Would you be OK with a cop knocking on your door and rummaging through your things every other day? If not, why let them rummage through your e-things 24/7?


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That isn't the point. Would you be OK with a cop knocking on your door and rummaging through your things every other day? If not, why let them rummage through your e-things 24/7?


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I guess that I've just never really believed that my e-things are very safe, from a privacy standpoint...and my silly little life, even if it does show up on someone's radar screen for some reason, would probably be chuckled at and written off, if it was even noticed at all...i'm just not all that self-important and i'm certainly not a danger to society...in fact, i'm actually a pretty good contributor...and if any of that stuff that's going on increases the safety and security of the country and it's (boring) citizens? eh, i guess i don't care that much...maybe i should? i'm too tired and overworked to give it a lot of thought right now.

you'll let me know when it's time to start reloading more shells, right??
 
I guess that I've just never really believed that my e-things are very safe, from a privacy standpoint...and my silly little life, even if it does show up on someone's radar screen for some reason, would probably be chuckled at and written off, if it was even noticed at all...i'm just not all that self-important and i'm certainly not a danger to society...in fact, i'm actually a pretty good contributor...and if any of that stuff that's going on increases the safety and security of the country and it's (boring) citizens? eh, i guess i don't care that much...maybe i should? i'm too tired and overworked to give it a lot of thought right now.

you'll let me know when it's time to start reloading more shells, right??

ABSolutely right, I feel the same way.

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all of you will feel differently when it stops becoming about national security and they're just checking up on your shit to make sure you're conforming to the status quo. Or when they say everything you do at all times of the day is privy to marketers so that they may further our economy by being up your ass all day every day. Because a strong economy is the best national defense. Yeah I can see this one coming 1000 miles away. When nothing you do at any time of the day anymore, no matter how innocuous....is constantly subject to someone's perusal be it the govt or private enterprise....you will get pissed. When companies can sign up for a govt database that tells them your political affiliations, sports affiliations, what sort of reprehensible pornography you diligently peruse...than you will be pissed.
 
I care. Ever since I was a kid I cared about privacy. It's valuable to me.

It is hard enough to have a facebook page. I barely have one.
 
It takes a certain kind of person to bust through the boundaries of all these people and then turn around and tell us they're doing it for our own good.

Think of a large group of people with the qualities of one individual person and ask yourself if that one individual person is the type of person you'd want to be, or associate with. Now they can spy on you. Why do you trust that person/people?
 
I care. Ever since I was a kid I cared about privacy. It's valuable to me.

It is hard enough to have a facebook page. I barely have one.
Seeing how my last 3 emails are my service appointment reminder, my service appointment feedback survey and an email from my sister sending me links to a bunch of shit she wants me to find her online.... I think I'm fine with giving up some of my riveting private life if it means they can catch some assholes who are up to no good.
For every meaningless thousands of facebook notification emails, bank statements, password reset codes, daily jokes and craigslist ad replies there's that ONE concerning email that could be important. :whatever:
 
Seeing how my last 3 emails are my service appointment reminder, my service appointment feedback survey and an email from my sister sending me links to a bunch of shit she wants me to find her online.... I think I'm fine with giving up some of my riveting private life if it means they can catch some assholes who are up to no good.
For every meaningless thousands of facebook notification emails, bank statements, password reset codes, daily jokes and craigslist ad replies there's that ONE concerning email that could be important. :whatever:

I understand what you're saying but what would you say to a guy you were in a relationship that wanted that kind of control and access over your private life? What if someone came to you and told you you he was spying on you and your friends and didn't tell you or lied about the extent he was digging into your stuff? You found he was tracking everything, this person shows you proof. What if two of your friends found out that he was spying on them and now they no longer feel comfortable around you, or comfortable at all contacting you, or anyone for that manner. That doesn't make you feel weird? What if he said, "if you have nothing to hide, then why do you care?" Or, "it is for your own good, that one email could be someone dangerous (that dangerous someone being someone that is mad at him, looking for revenge, not you personally though he may try to get to him through you) so I need to read all of your emails, texts, track your online whereabouts, and listen in on all of your conversations with your friends" You would care, an inner alarm would go off, you'd begin to feel like this wasn't what you signed up for, you'd begin to feel controlled, like you've lost some of your freedom, wouldn't you? You would care even though you had done nothing wrong, right? Or would, seeing how your last three emails were boring by nature would you be okay with it? Or would you get the hell away from someone like that, get all your friends together for support and kick him the hell out of town? What if you couldn't even talk to your friends for support because he can see and hear everything? What if you had kids and he gave them money all the time but insisted on having control over their education because he knew better than you what they should be taught? What if he began to stalk and keep up on them them too. How trapped would you feel? What if you objected but he downplayed your concerns as simpleton, or silly, or even worse, he made you out to be some kinda extreme fringe lunatic crazy person?

Those laws we have are our boundaries. Someone said it's a time of war so we don't need boundaries? What if we are ALWAYS at war? We've been at war almost half of my lifetime now.

You're a good person at heart so you assume that these people are doing good but what if they aren't good? What if the relationship we are in, is an abusive one? What are the signs of an abusive relationship? Control over finances? Always checking up on you; stalking? Not respecting your boundaries? Thinking they are superior to others? Double standards for behavior? You have to abide by rules they don't have to follow in the relationship? Do they admit when they're wrong or just make excuses for their abusive behavior? What's next? Threats of violence? Actual violence? These type of situations never get better on an individual level, I don't see any reason to think it will get better here either.

Some of our nations founders understood human nature so well. I wonder if it's time to ask if we are being abused.
 
Nothing changes. The government will just find another way to do it and not get caught.
 
all of you will feel differently when it stops becoming about national security and they're just checking up on your shit to make sure you're conforming to the status quo. Or when they say everything you do at all times of the day is privy to marketers so that they may further our economy by being up your ass all day every day. Because a strong economy is the best national defense. Yeah I can see this one coming 1000 miles away. When nothing you do at any time of the day anymore, no matter how innocuous....is constantly subject to someone's perusal be it the govt or private enterprise....you will get pissed. When companies can sign up for a govt database that tells them your political affiliations, sports affiliations, what sort of reprehensible pornography you diligently peruse...than you will be pissed.

notice to marketers...make me smile or chuckle and i'll probably buy your shit...or at the very least, not stop buying it...but, if your commercial includes crunching noises, swallowing noises, typewriter noises, glug-glug-glug (pouring shit from a bottle) noises, etc...i'll never buy your shit or i'll drop you like a hot potato. i'm not sure what psychological buying trait they've identified that makes them believe that is an effective tool but, i'm here to tell you, that shit annoys the fuck outta me.
 
notice to marketers...make me smile or chuckle and i'll probably buy your shit...or at the very least, not stop buying it...but, if your commercial includes crunching noises, swallowing noises, typewriter noises, glug-glug-glug (pouring shit from a bottle) noises, etc...i'll never buy your shit or i'll drop you like a hot potato. i'm not sure what psychological buying trait they've identified that makes them believe that is an effective tool but, i'm here to tell you, that shit annoys the fuck outta me.

That's because your old-as-fuck ears have lost the ability to discriminate auditory sources.
 
That's because your old-as-fuck ears have lost the ability to discriminate auditory sources.

i don't need to know what food sounds like when it's being prepared, chewed or swallowed in order to be interested in a food product anymore than i need to know what it sounds like when your body is done with it and you are depositing it in the toilet to be interested in an ass-wiping product...it's just stupid and unnecessary and it doesn't make me go "yum! i need a fucking twix bar!"
 

hahahaha...ok...THIS is the shit that i'm talking about...



incidentally, i boosted a couple kit-kat bars from my son's halloween stash this morning...i still love those damn things in spite of the maddening commercials...now that's a product endorsement!
 
i'll have to agree with digi, listening to people eat is a cheap old school marketing gag that's "supposed" to trigger some kind of pavlovian response. It does border on disgusting. Or watching people purse their lips and say "hmmm, gotta have it" as they're eyeballing up some disgusting hot fast food mess like they haven't eaten in weeks. I ashamed to admit that marketers are for the most part an incredibly crass group of people who seek to bring everything down the lowest common denominator so they can herd consumers into various pens. But it's quite successful for some companies.
 
haha @ digi I ate all the kitkats first thing

I love them frozen. I don't like their commercials either but love the twix commercials

Does anyone enjoy watching commercials?
 
i'll have to agree with digi, listening to people eat is a cheap old school marketing gag that's "supposed" to trigger some kind of pavlovian response. It does border on disgusting. Or watching people purse their lips and say "hmmm, gotta have it" as they're eyeballing up some disgusting hot fast food mess like they haven't eaten in weeks. I ashamed to admit that marketers are for the most part an incredibly crass group of people who seek to bring everything down the lowest common denominator so they can herd consumers into various pens. But it's quite successful for some companies.

marketing genius's...want me to buy your shit?? give me this...

 
haha @ digi I ate all the kitkats first thing

I love them frozen. I don't like their commercials either but love the twix commercials

Does anyone enjoy watching commercials?

pretty much any candy is good frozen...reeses cups, snickers, etc..
 
I haven't had a candy bar in like 2 fucking years :(

Kitkats are my all time favorite though. I could eat them every day
 
The way I see it, if it's hackable, someone is hacking it. Downloading MP3s without paying is illegal and immoral but who here can say they've never done it; it's just too damn easy.

And data mining for marketing purposes is already well underway and only going to get worse.

The government can eavesdrop on my edoings all they want. The day that information obtained without a warrant becomes admissible in court against me is the day I will balk.

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The way I see it, if it's hackable, someone is hacking it. Downloading MP3s without paying is illegal and immoral but who here can say they've never done it; it's just too damn easy.

And data mining for marketing purposes is already well underway and only going to get worse.

The government can eavesdrop on my edoings all they want. The day that information obtained without a warrant becomes admissible in court against me is the day I will balk.

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It's already admissible.

One of the things Barry did years ago when he super sized the domestic spying program was to declare information admissible even if it was "unintentionally" collected on a US citizen in the routine course of operation.
 
notice to marketers...make me smile or chuckle and i'll probably buy your shit...or at the very least, not stop buying it...but, if your commercial includes crunching noises, swallowing noises, typewriter noises, glug-glug-glug (pouring shit from a bottle) noises, etc...i'll never buy your shit or i'll drop you like a hot potato. i'm not sure what psychological buying trait they've identified that makes them believe that is an effective tool but, i'm here to tell you, that shit annoys the fuck outta me.
As any good salesman can tell you...people buy the sizzle, not the steak. Zoom in on a thick steak on the grill, grease popping and people are reaching for their wallets...that meat could be last weeks road kill.
 
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