NSA Hacks into Private Networks Like Google and Yahoo, too.

[Captain FT]

Exactly right DT. I assume there is crazy shit going on every day for the good of our country and we probably would all morally disagree with it, but when it comes to keeping our country safe I throw morals out the window.

Knowing the outcomes of some of the past attacks - how far would you go to stop them? 9/11, the subway in Madrid, the bus in the UK - knowing those outcomes and the lives that were impacted what length would you go to in order to obtain information to stop the next one?

We let some crazy people purchase firearms legally in this country but we are going to balk at spying on friends and neighbors? C'mon man!

 

[mrplunkey]

Exactly right DT. I assume there is crazy shit going on every day for the good of our country and we probably would all morally disagree with it, but when it comes to keeping our country safe I throw morals out the window.

Knowing the outcomes of some of the past attacks - how far would you go to stop them? 9/11, the subway in Madrid, the bus in the UK - knowing those outcomes and the lives that were impacted what length would you go to in order to obtain information to stop the next one?

We let some crazy people purchase firearms legally in this country but we are going to balk at spying on friends and neighbors? C'mon man!

I'm always suspicious of someone doing something unilaterally on my behalf.

As late as the 1970's, we would do frontal lobotomies on patients because we thought we were acting in their self-interest.

 

[Captain FT]

If your in the business of information gathering in 2013, what would you focus on?

They hit the largest players of information gathering, data mining, and archiving in the business. Google is everywhere and our information security team (I work in a financial firm) does everything in its power to keep Google installs out of our environment. Why? Because their installs are always information gathering in the background and sending data back to Google whether you tell it to or not. It does it on your computer, mobile device, anywhere. We can't have that in a financial firm with sensitive data.

 

[mrplunkey]

It should be illegal for the government to do that, particularly if the company doesn't know it is happening.

If your in the business of information gathering in 2013, what would you focus on?

They hit the largest players of information gathering, data mining, and archiving in the business. Google is everywhere and our information security team (I work in a financial firm) does everything in its power to keep Google installs out of our environment. Why? Because their installs are always information gathering in the background and sending data back to Google whether you tell it to or not. It does it on your computer, mobile device, anywhere. We can't have that in a financial firm with sensitive data.

 

[Captain FT]

It should be illegal for the government to do that, particularly if the company doesn't know it is happening.

I'm not disagreeing but that's why it was top secret.

 

[Dial_tone]

I'm like this - I would never want to work in a meat processing plant and if I toured one I'd probably puke and become a vegetarian....but I'm glad somebody is doing that shit cuz I love me some steak. As long as I don't become the steak it's all good.

 

[Dial_tone]

I'm always suspicious of someone doing something unilaterally on my behalf.

As late as the 1970's, we would do frontal lobotomies on patients because we thought we were acting in their self-interest.

Google "the Tuskegee experiment".

 

[mrplunkey]

Google "the Tuskegee experiment".

Just think about how many lives were saved though. We did it for the greater good.

 

[Captain FT]

I'm like this - I would never want to work in a meat processing plant and if I toured one I'd probably puke and become a vegetarian....but I'm glad somebody is doing that shit cuz I love me some steak. As long as I don't become the steak it's all good.

Perfect analogy.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Wasn't it at some point that they can tap for 20 secs to determine if convo is relevant to terrorism and / or crime - after that they have to cut off for at least 2 mins before trying again?