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So I decided to start my first cycle ever...

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DreamerNYC

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I'm been training for more than 3 years but never saw the results I was expecting. I guess I was always doing something wrong (let's put it that way).

My first bulking was atrocious. I did a lot of mistakes and ended up looking chubby. Back then I had to lose all those pounds I gained which were mostly from fat. After a couple of months I start to bulk again. I tried to do it carefully this time but again I gained too much fat. I ended up killing myself at the gym one more time. In my third bulking season something similar happened. That was last year. Right now I'm not even working out anymore (since like two months ago). I lack energy most of the times, I mean, what can you expect? It sucks to have worked your ass off for nothing. So much that I decided to start my first cycle.
 
I think the problem back then was that I decided to bulk being at a high body fat percentage and also, I feel like never trained consistently. But it was understandable... Anyway, during the last months I've been trying to lose some bf to start my first cycle on test, but it's been really hard. I think I'm around 18% right now, sorta of skinny fat I guess...not really "skinny", but definitely not toned... I don't look like I work out anymore because even if I had a lot of body fat you could tell I was into fitness...

I know many of you will tell me that I need to train harder before starting my first cycle on steroids, but I don't really care. I'm 32 years old already and I feel like I have wasted too much time trying to get big for nothing.
 
Eat protein rich foods and relatively little fat or carbs.
Besides making you fat they take room for more protein!
 
That's another thing I have to have in mind when I start my cycle, not getting "fat" again. I wonder if there's a way in which you can take steroids without gaining fat.
 
Bulking is absolutely ridiculous. Workout and eat when you are hungry. Some people are not genetically inclined to store fat. I'm an ectomorph and my bulk was a complete waste of time. I got chubby, strong, and when i cut down i didnt look any better than before i started. Another thing i noticed was that i didnt feel good at all. No energy, my stamina decreased, which was always top notch. I burned out in the gym easier etc... I will never attempt to bulk again. There is a weight where your body wants to stay at, equillibrium. Steroids are not the answer especially if you say you are skinny fat. My advice to you is getting fit, conditioned, not ocky. Start running and get your diet in check, keep hitting the weights and see where that takes you in a few months
 
Eat to grow. Bulking is not ridiculous... it is the most effective way to grow. However bulking is not an excuse to get fat. Eat in a controlled surplus and have good peri nutrition
 
bigorse said:
Eat to grow. Bulking is not ridiculous... it is the most effective way to grow. However bulking is not an excuse to get fat. Eat in a controlled surplus and have good peri nutrition
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No, bulking in the traditional sense isn't ridiculous, but if you're fcking it up like the op is evidently, maybe you're just not there yet. Get that diet and training down to where you know wtf you're doing. I see so many guys every winter whose "bulking" consists of eating crap and lifting stupid heavy with bad form. They end up looking like fat asses.
 
zmyj88 said:
No, bulking in the traditional sense isn't ridiculous, but if you're fcking it up like the op is evidently, maybe you're just not there yet. Get that diet and training down to where you know wtf you're doing. I see so many guys every winter whose "bulking" consists of eating crap and lifting stupid heavy with bad form. They end up looking like fat asses.
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Exactly right. Nutrition doesnt go out the window in the offseason or on a bulk quantities just increase
 
He asking is steroids the answer to his problem and no it's not in my opinion you go on the juice to enhance what you already got if your not going to compete then why go on a mega bulk. He's right when he says about your body type some people are just not meant to be big beast just like they really big guy don't do Physique, so my advice to you would hit the cardio like hell you will lose some muscle but at least you will get rid of the fat don't forget to eat clean and that fat will go in time always try a do your cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach I promise you if you have everything in check you won't have any issues. Once you have lost the fat you can then start building your muscles but be careful not to stop the cardio altogether you can relax it a little but you must keep it going. You will get there but for what you said drugs aren't your answer. Good my friend.
 
Haha he's not asking if juice is the answer tho, he wants help deciding what to run, he's already decided out of frustration. You know how that idea is once it gets in your head...
 
No results in the gym with consistant training and eating maybe your testosterone is low?? Run a full male hormone panel, if you are going to go on cycle anyway you will want some baseline labs.

Right now I'm not even working out anymore (since like two months ago). I lack energy most of the times, I mean, what can you expect?
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Possible low T symptom. Do you have any other symptoms of low T like; Mind fog, inability to concentrate, no night time or morning erections, irritability, fatigue, ed, low libido?
 
Gboyt said:
Bulking is absolutely ridiculous. Workout and eat when you are hungry. Some people are not genetically inclined to store fat. I'm an ectomorph and my bulk was a complete waste of time. I got chubby, strong, and when i cut down i didnt look any better than before i started. Another thing i noticed was that i didnt feel good at all. No energy, my stamina decreased, which was always top notch. I burned out in the gym easier etc... I will never attempt to bulk again. There is a weight where your body wants to stay at, equillibrium. Steroids are not the answer especially if you say you are skinny fat. My advice to you is getting fit, conditioned, not ocky. Start running and get your diet in check, keep hitting the weights and see where that takes you in a few months
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I'm not really skinny, it's just that I have abdominal fat and it makes me look sorta of weird. I mean, when I have my shirt on I look like I'm in shape and even under 14% bf. I don't know how to explain it.
 
spursmad said:
He asking is steroids the answer to his problem and no it's not in my opinion you go on the juice to enhance what you already got if your not going to compete then why go on a mega bulk. He's right when he says about your body type some people are just not meant to be big beast just like they really big guy don't do Physique, so my advice to you would hit the cardio like hell you will lose some muscle but at least you will get rid of the fat don't forget to eat clean and that fat will go in time always try a do your cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach I promise you if you have everything in check you won't have any issues. Once you have lost the fat you can then start building your muscles but be careful not to stop the cardio altogether you can relax it a little but you must keep it going. You will get there but for what you said drugs aren't your answer. Good my friend.
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I killed myself for three months doing cardios, and it worked at first, but then got stuck and I didn't see any more progress... I spent the whole winter dieting and doing cardios, I was lifting as well, I did eat decently, and yeah, I lost weight but like I said, got stock in my body fat. At least by measuring my waist at the bullybottom I didn't see that much progress.

I'm honestly just sick of dieting. It's been 3 years and seems like nothing works for me. I want to look nice for the summer. If I start bulking again without doing steroids I'm sure I'm going to waste my time.
 
Steeldude99 said:
No results in the gym with consistant training and eating maybe your testosterone is low?? Run a full male hormone panel, if you are going to go on cycle anyway you will want some baseline labs.

Possible low T symptom. Do you have any other symptoms of low T like; Mind fog, inability to concentrate, no night time or morning erections, irritability, fatigue, ed, low libido?
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I did see results, just got fat or gained too much fat. Every time and start bulking it happens. I can't take it anymore. It's been really frustrating.

Definitely not low libido, but sometimes inability to concentrate, yes, mind fog? well, when I'm dieting I'm hungry all the time and that's been a problem in the last two months. Fatigue? Again, when I'm dieting. Irritability? Hell yeah, that's one of my biggest problems right now, and again, especially when I'm dieting.

I'm not dieting anymore but I try to eat at a maintenance level. I'm going to start my cycle regardless of what I'm reading here.
 
If your not losing weight youre eating too much... try carb cycling to keep hormones such as tsh and leptin higher and go lower cal on low days. Steroids wont help burn fat.
 
Steroids won't help me lose fat but it will help me gain muscle mass and more muscle mass means more metabolism. At the time I finish my first cycle it will be easier to cut I guess.
 
I'm so depressed right now. It's the same I read everywhere. I really wanted to read something new.

I'm having a tiny breakdown right now. I don't want to look like a tooth stick by the summer. I want to get muscles for aesthetic reason anyway. It' won't take more than two cycles.
 
You will your not meat to be big what foods do you eat? And at what times? How much sleep do you get? Is there much stress in your life? Your doing something wrong.
 
You do realise eventually you will loose any gains you make using steroids if you only want to do 2 cycles you will loose it all. I feel for your predicament but your after a short term answers to a long term commitment and way of life..
 
What i meant was if you hold fat well you might benefit from a bulk. If you are struggling to lose fat the last thing you should be doing is bulking
 
DreamerNYC said:
I will take steroids!
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Okay, try 2grams of tren with 1gram of test to keep sides minimal and kick start that with 200mg of anadrol per for 10weeks and run the others for 25weeks. You could add gh and slin in too. No need for pct
 
bigorse said:
Okay, try 2grams of tren with 1gram of test to keep sides minimal and kick start that with 200mg of anadrol per for 10weeks and run the others for 25weeks. You could add gh and slin in too. No need for pct
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Actually don't sound half bad 😂😂
 
Did you say you were at school come bro if your at school still unless your a teacher your way to young for gear you will fuck your self up long term specially with your attitude get your hormone levels checked you might have low t if everything is ok there get your head check serious
 
Okay, try 2grams of tren with 1gram of test to keep sides minimal and kick start that with 200mg of anadrol per for 10weeks and run the others for 25weeks. You could add gh and slin in too. No need for pct
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LMAO!

I get the feeling that you are wanting to rush into this and that steroids will be an answer to all your problems and frustrations.

Yes steroids may make you look better in the short term but if you dont know what you are doing they will do more harm than good.

The reason bigorse is joking about the above is that it seems as though you have decided you will take steroids but not how you will take them....

what compounds are you going to take? how much of these compounds are you going to take? and for how long? what are your plans for post cycle therapy? what compounds are you going to take and for how long?

Steroids aren't cheap if you are having financial difficulties you will have something else to pay for. Also if you are stressed out now you will be in for a whole world of stress if you screw up pct or something goes wrong mid cycle are you going to have the knowledge and finances to be able to fix it?

Have a listen to what the other posters are trying to say I think you need to take a step back and do your research.

Get bloods done you never know you may have low t and then you will be able to go onto trt.
 
I know exactly what to take for my cycle and also for pct. Ive been wandering on these boards for quite long. Taking stereoids wasnt a decision I made last week. Its been months since I decided to run a 12 weeks cycle on test. It wont be that expensive neither. No more than 3 hundred bucks I guess. Obviously I will have my anti-moobs pills ready just in case and my pct treatment as well. 250mg of test doesnt sound bad to me. And again, I know all the risks.

You guys should also understand my frustration. It really hurts. Making fun of it doesnt help.
 
DreamerNYC said:
I know exactly what to take for my cycle and also for pct. Ive been wwandering on these boards for quite long. Taking stereoids wasnt a decision I made last week.
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How old are you? It seems like it was a rash desicion because steroids wont help you very much but its your body, go ahead and do what you want
 
And in all honesty if you cant lose fat and gain muslce natty then you are doing something so wrong that the gear i listed earlier maybe actually necessary to see "roid gains"...
 
Im 32 years old. Im not that young anymore. Thats the reason why I feel I need to rush myself to pack some nice muscles.
 
Well hire a coach or start reading up on diet and training instead of drugs.
 
Im looking skinny fat right now (I guess). Ive been consideraring to start a regular bulking even if I get like a teddybear in a few months. I rather look thick and strong than sorta skinny fat. I dont know. The benefits of being skinny fat is that nobody notices it unless I take my shirt off. But my arms look so hella weak. Its annoying. When I was sorta chubby (not fat but thick) at least it was noticeable that i was lifting. Thats not the case anymore. The only benefit right nkow is that i look younger when im skinny.
 
Hiring a coach wont help. Im financially unstable right now and hiring a trainer will actually cost me more money than running a 3 months test cycle. I also feel like I want this NOW. Not in one year or two, but NOW. Im sick and tired of waiting for solid results and not seeing anything. Rather quitting than waiting another two years. At the time I reach my goal I will turn 35 and that just sucks.
 
Here's your life plan for muscle:

1. Dedicate yourself. And I mean forever, day in, day out, no breaks, no vacations, no finish line. You will be broke, you will lose girlfriends, you will lose jobs. You will eat till you wanna puke, you will lift till you wanna puke, EVERYday, day in day out. Your rent/car payments/bills might be late sometimes, your gym membership will Not. You will have sleepless nights, you will get mad, you will cry. You have no job anymore, this is your job now, everything else is a hobby that pays. And yes, you're still gonna be broke. There will be no "freak outs" there will be no "poor me's" there will be no crutches, no easy ways out, there will be No excuses, that word doesn't exist for you anymore.

2. You feel sick, bad, like quitting, sad, refer to #1 and get that ass up.

3. Why are you still f#cking here reading?! Chop chop p#$$y, gym time.

Still seem like a great, easy way to get big and bad? Because of so, you will meet a version of you that you never knew existed and couldn't even fathom lived inside you. You will be pissed that you spent all those years without him.

Note how many times juice was mentioned there. Make that^ commitment for life, then we can talk. There isn't gonna be any half assed "two cycles" so I look good for bitches and I'm done. Nah, this isn't for bitches, this isn't for bullies, this is for You. And you'll know you're there when you catch your reflection in a car window and spend half a second trying to figure out who in Hell that dude is
 
DreamerNYC said:
Three hundred bucks is not a lot of money. A first cycle on test is usually cheap.
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Read what bigorse said. It isn't just the test. HCG, arimidex, nolva, clomid. It all adds up.

I will bet that your whole problem is your diet. I hate the term diet and it should really be lifestyle change. Bulking is still on "diet". You just slightly increase calories and change up your macros.
Just counting calories will not get you there. If your diet is causing you to be hungry, you are probably counting calories. You should be eating every 2-3 hours. This will also speed up your metabolism.
I started out at 235 and about 30% bf to 165 and 5% bf in 10 months all natural. Cardio 2x day for 45 minutes plus the workout. It can be done but you need to want it. There is no magical AAS that will give you the perfect body without effort. The only reason that i started AAS was to be able to compete.
AAS results will be lost if you are not on the right diet. Inevitably, you will lose some once you go off.
 
zmyj88 said:
Here's your life plan for muscle:

1. Dedicate yourself. And I mean forever, day in, day out, no breaks, no vacations, no finish line. You will be broke, you will lose girlfriends, you will lose jobs. You will eat till you wanna puke, you will lift till you wanna puke, EVERYday, day in day out. Your rent/car payments/bills might be late sometimes, your gym membership will Not. You will have sleepless nights, you will get mad, you will cry. You have no job anymore, this is your job now, everything else is a hobby that pays. And yes, you're still gonna be broke. There will be no "freak outs" there will be no "poor me's" there will be no crutches, no easy ways out, there will be No excuses, that word doesn't exist for you anymore.

2. You feel sick, bad, like quitting, sad, refer to #1 and get that ass up.

3. Why are you still f#cking here reading?! Chop chop p#$$y, gym time.

Still seem like a great, easy way to get big and bad? Because of so, you will meet a version of you that you never knew existed and couldn't even fathom lived inside you. You will be pissed that you spent all those years without him.

Note how many times juice was mentioned there. Make that^ commitment for life, then we can talk. There isn't gonna be any half assed "two cycles" so I look good for bitches and I'm done. Nah, this isn't for bitches, this isn't for bullies, this is for You. And you'll know you're there when you catch your reflection in a car window and spend half a second trying to figure out who in Hell that dude is
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Geez ZMY, you got me motivated!
 
I honestly dont wanna diet for a while. I starved myself like crazy for more than 3 months and all for nothing. It makes me wanna quit for real.
 
Look go do your gear and then if you don't get the results you want, what then, what are you going to do there is no more options left for you except what everybody has been trying to tell you.
 
Diet does not mean starving yourself. It is all about te quality of food. A good diet and you have enough to eat and not starve yourself.
You need to get your diet squared away whether you use AAS or not.
 
DreamerNYC said:
I honestly dont wanna diet for a while. I starved myself like crazy for more than 3 months and all for nothing. It makes me wanna quit for real.
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Pick another hobby then, bodybuilding isn't for weak minded pussies.
 
bigorse said:
Pick another hobby then, bodybuilding isn't for weak minded pussies.
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That was kinda mt point with the "dedication" post. If you don't "wanna" any part of this, its not gonna happen. You don't wanna diet, you don't wanna train, but you wanna shoot yourself with hormones and expect results. You will get results, they'll just be man titties and sides galore. I dunno where people got this idea that juice gives you muscles. That's not how that works At all
 
You guys sound like I never trained hard. I killed my ass during these 3 years. I was at the gym six days a week. In ocassions I was even overtraining. I even sacrificed my grades in a couple of semesters when I started working out. I trained hard as fuck. It just that every time I bulked I gained too much weight and it was something I couldnt control. It happended every time. No matter how much I counted my calories I still got fat.

In my last bulk I tried to lower my bf % and in three months I was already looking like a teddybear. Yeah, at least I had some definition, had a wider back, thicker legs/arms and the like, but my gut was too obvious for someone that was at the gym six days a week. You guys need to stop judging me. I didnt take the decision of taking steroids because I want the easy way. Im just frustrated, sick, tired, depressed, sad as it seems that there is no other way for me to get in shape. I just thought it would be easier for me to start a cycle as a base for building muscle. The more muscle the easy to breakdown fat. I really thought I could lower my body fat that way. Like I said before, I feel like Im starting to get old and I really want to be in shape at this time in my life. Once I passed my 35s it wont feel the same way. You guys have no idea about everything Ive gone through. Trust me.
 
I'm just thinking in eating at the maintenance level and work out hard that way. Im sure sooner or later I will see progress. Maybe it will just take me a little bit longer to see solid results. I dont know.

Last time I tried to cut I worked out my legs twice or once week and they got bigger and my glutes as well. And that was like in three weeks or even less. Guess I am of the ones who build muscle on a calorie deficit or something.
 
Then your a shit bodybuilder and your definition of hard core is way off.
 
We all have been through shit some more than others it's just you don't come across that you know what your doing. Gear won't solve any of your problems it might add to them though. You have to except that we are all telling you the same thing are we all wrong and your right I don't think so. But if your hell bent on running a cycle shut this thread down start a new one under a different name and don't speak about problems and whining about stuff then you might get some answers you want. I wish you luck and hope you don't hurt your self
 
Hi I have been reading all the threads and I'm sure you are demotivated but it does sound like something is wrong and I'm sure the calorie intake is too high and not enough cardio. I'm not saying kill yourself with cardio but fasted cardio for 40min maybe every alternate day. Also,Try see a nutritionist who can advise you on the different carb options for your daily Calorie requirements so you can switch your meals around so it's not so mundane.I'm pretty sure your portions are wrong. Maybe don't do the bulk and instead do a lean gain on anavar/primo or a steroid that doesn't retain water. Then maintain your leans gains and try a bulk afterwards later down the line.just don't give up on cardio and look into your calorie intake.
 
This is how gross I look. Yes, I find my body disgusting whenever I look myself in the mirror.
I lost some muscle during the last crazy diet, not so much the abdominal fat and it's very noticeable. Guess I look textbook skinny fat by now. What do you think is my body fat percentage btw?

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Let's go back to basics. Sometimes doing this will uncover things that were overlooked. I am pretty sure that it is your diet from the gains ( or lack there of) and the bodyfat. I have had people tell me that they were consuming 1000 calories a day and were obese. As you pry into every minute of the day you find all these extra worthless calories that they are consuming that they are not telling you about.
You can do this, but you need to be patient. Eat every 2-3 hours. I will not pretend to be a diet expert however i do know a little and what works for my body. Most of the things are universal though.
You need to eat clean and do not starve yourself. Adding cardio will advance the progress, but do not overdue it. You may get discouraged and then stop everything.
I would keep your proteins to lower fat proteins like skinless chicken breast, tilapia, and tuna fish. I would stay away from red meat until bulking and then still limited. Use avocado and almonds for fat. Yes you need it! Carbs - baked potato and pasta (no sauce). Brocoli also adds to carbs. Obviously veggies.
 
GO AND JUICE JUICE JUICE YOU HAVE EVERY BODIES BLESSING show the the after photos would love to see them good luck and take care any chance of ending this thread now
 
And estrogenic looking fatty deposits and you arent even on gear yet. Trust me on this one you'll look even worse and give people a good laugh when you hop on, sky rocket your estrogen and put on more fat and make yourself more emotionally and financial unstable.
 
You carry the waist fat (belly) and you already show signs of being gyno-prone without being on gear. You have NO idea about how to diet properly. you clearly do not train well enough or rest enough while eating right, but you want to jump on gear? God, I hope this is a troll .....

Anyway ... if you want to know what a typical first cycle is, do the effort of searching around on the forum ... oh wait, that'd not be easy enough. Okay then:

Week 1-12: Test Cypionate injected at 125mg Mon and again 125mg Thu
Week 1-16: Ancilliary: Aromasin - 12.5mg EOD (every other day) - THIS YOU WILL NEED LOOKING AT YOUR CURRENT FAT DEPOSITS

Try to eat clean ... well ... clean-ish. 50% of your diet to be Proteins, 30% to be Carbs and 20% to be Fats. I am not going to delve into micro's here. Go and spend some time on the diet and bodybuilding side of the forum ( Diet & Bodybuilding - EliteFitness.com Bodybuilding Forums ) Lord knows, if you eat better and supplement where your diet is not sufficient, you might end up feeling better as well while looking better.

You can also go here: https://www.google.co.za/?gfe_rd=cr...d=ssl#safe=active&q=elite+fitness+first+cycle

Shitload of info right there ... spend some time there, make a decision, post your ideas back here and get the feedback. But again, I do urge you to spend some time on the diet and bodybuilding side ... in fact, spend a helluva-fkn-lotta time there.
 
^Thank you so much for taking the time. I really appreciate.
What makes you think I already show signs of being gyno-prone btw?
 
I don't think I have those. At least not to call them "titties", ugh.

My chest just looks average for someone that has worked out before. I only do incline press exactly for that reason, to avoid moobs. What you are seeing is probably fatty deposits or whatever you guys call it.
 
Those fatty deposits ... on girls ... are called boobs. If they were the size of yours, they would be small titties. Those deposits you have are exactly where gyno starts. If you overdevelop your pecks, but fail to develop your inner chest, you'll not have moobs ...you'll have a badly built chest. Those fatty deposits you have are signs of someone who should be VERY weary using gear without ancillaries or of someone who should run gear which doesn't aromatize.

Personally, I don't think you should come near any gear ... IMHO. And I still pray that this is a troll ... I really do.
 
Essie said:
Those fatty deposits ... on girls ... are called boobs. If they were the size of yours, they would be small titties. Those deposits you have are exactly where gyno starts. If you overdevelop your pecks, but fail to develop your inner chest, you'll not have moobs ...you'll have a badly built chest. Those fatty deposits you have are signs of someone who should be VERY weary using gear without ancillaries or of someone who should run gear which doesn't aromatize.

Personally, I don't think you should come near any gear ... IMHO. And I still pray that this is a troll ... I really do.
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Thanks again. I decided I will not do steroids, at least not at this point in my life. Thank you all for your advice. I think I was sorta depressed last week when I made the thread and that's why some of my posts sounded a little bit extreme.

And yeah, it seems my chest is sorta weird looking these days. I think it was even worse one year ago. At first I just thought you guys were exaggerating or something, but anyways...

I used to do flat press only until I started to notice I was getting moobs. That was last year. I don't do flat bench press anymore, only the incline one. I don't do decline press neither nor worked my lower chest. I mostly focused in my upper chest and that's about. Not sure why I still have the moobs. When I put a shirt on it's not noticeable AT ALL. Actually, I don't think they are very noticeable. Maybe it's just the angle of the pic as it was taken? Who knows.

This is my chest routine:

Incline bench press
Incline flyes
Incline dumbell press

3-4 sets of 10-12 rep for each one and that's about.
I was stuck in 110 pounds when doing the incline dumbell press and about 150 when doing the incline press. What do you think I should do to get rid of my moobs and at the same time building a good chest structure?
 
Do you guys think is a good idea to work out hard at a maintenance level despite of me being at about 18% of bf? Or do you think I should add something like 100-240 calories to my daily maintenance intake to avoid getting fat and built some muscle? Or should I cut to get into 15% bf and then I start bulking by adding more proteins, less carbs and like I said, only about 100-250 calories to my maintenance level? I don't know. I don't think I will lose this belly like magic. It will take me quit long and I know it.

I'm so confused right now. I don't know what to do. It's been warm here in NYC these days and I feel so out of shape. I want to be "fit" for the summer and by "fit" I don't mean thin. Even if I have a small belly I want to have a more acceptable structure for the season. I know I won't get any "big" or whatever, but at least I want to look like I work out if you guys get what I'm trying to say. Right now I look sorta skinny and it's depressing me. :(

Another thing (and this is very important)is that I don't really want to diet anymore. I have been very depressed lately and all I want is to feel my stomach full. Dieting is hard. I have midterms and I need to eat well these days. When I was doing my last diet I was having a hard time.

Maybe I'm asking too much. I really don't want to quit, even if I feel like it.
 
Just eat clean, maybe use clen or something and work fucking hard in the gym and enjoy it if you don't enjoy it you will keep feeling like shit. Good luck keep pushing forward.
 
Clenbuterol is a asthma drug I think and women and body builders use it to loose fat well keeping there muscle but if you use it be careful as with anything like this
 
Interesting. I'll do some research about it.

I still have some lipo 6 black from my last cutting btw. I don't think I have that much muscle anyway. At least not to worry about losing it while trying to lower my bf %. I don't know. You guys tell me.
 
zmyj88 said:
Here's your life plan for muscle:

1. Dedicate yourself. And I mean forever, day in, day out, no breaks, no vacations, no finish line. You will be broke, you will lose girlfriends, you will lose jobs. You will eat till you wanna puke, you will lift till you wanna puke, EVERYday, day in day out. Your rent/car payments/bills might be late sometimes, your gym membership will Not. You will have sleepless nights, you will get mad, you will cry. You have no job anymore, this is your job now, everything else is a hobby that pays. And yes, you're still gonna be broke. There will be no "freak outs" there will be no "poor me's" there will be no crutches, no easy ways out, there will be No excuses, that word doesn't exist for you anymore.

2. You feel sick, bad, like quitting, sad, refer to #1 and get that ass up.

3. Why are you still f#cking here reading?! Chop chop p#$$y, gym time.

Still seem like a great, easy way to get big and bad? Because of so, you will meet a version of you that you never knew existed and couldn't even fathom lived inside you. You will be pissed that you spent all those years without him.

Note how many times juice was mentioned there. Make that^ commitment for life, then we can talk. There isn't gonna be any half assed "two cycles" so I look good for bitches and I'm done. Nah, this isn't for bitches, this isn't for bullies, this is for You. And you'll know you're there when you catch your reflection in a car window and spend half a second trying to figure out who in Hell that dude is
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Bro do you read my mind? are you in my head? Who are you haha. This is my life bro. You just pinpointed me to the t. I thought I was the only one 👏🏼👊🏼💪🏼
 
DreamerNYC said:
I need a bf % estimate.
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Wow man if you serious about changing your body just go have someone check your body fat so you can get an accurate reading so you can start your cycle and diet with accurate information and keep a record of it.
Good advice has been given,I agree to ending this thread it's time, it's really dragging on now
 
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