Should I take a protein shake?

[Icebox]

I recommend reading up on Body for Life by Bill Phillips. It will really help you get started in the right direction. It's a good book for beginners.

If you want to lose wieght you have to fix that diet first. You need to eat more then three times a day. Try eating six small meals a day spaced 3 hours apart. Limit high glycemic carbs such as white bread, cereal, and noodles (all three of your meals).

Check here for an idea of high and low glycemic foods
http://www.elitefitness.com/articles/glycemic.html

Eat a lot of lean protein such as chicken, fish, turkey, lean red meat, egg whites, ect...

Cut out bad fats (saturated fats) and eat good fats (mono unsaturated fats). Good sources of fats are natural peanut butter, olive oil, nuts and seeds, canola oil, ect...

One diet you might want to check out is the isocaloric diet. http://www.bloodsweatsteel.com/nutrition/ISOCALORIC DIET.htm

 

[thebabydoc]

He's trying to give you good advice, but 140grams of protein won't get you anywhere, unless you're a hedgehog.

You want to gain muscle and lose fat?

Try the CKD if fat loss is your MAIN objective.

If muscle mass and fat loss are equally important to you, try:

1.75 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight
1 gram of carbs per lb of bodyweight
.5 grams of unsaturated fat per lb of bodyweight

Dude, 1.75 gm protein per lb?
This guy isn't a BB and it doesen't sound like he wants to go there. First he needs to cut down weight and get his body metabolism fixed with a balanced diet.

The Ketogenic diet is psychotic. Plus it's mostly water weight and the fat cells are actually conditioned during this diet to store fat at up to 10x their normal rate when given glucose (e.g. when you come off the diet). I used the CKD for about 4 weeks to condition my body to not abuse carbs (I was a psycho carb freak) and to learn how to eat protein. But for a long-term plan, it is terrible. Ask anyone what happens to them when they drink alcohol on this diet: Watch out!!! The liver is just not working right.

Body for life and The Zone are great examples of intelligent 30-30-40 diets without gimmicks.
This would be much more up Mobert's alley, trust me I was there recently.

 

[Tha One CrumCake]

Babydoc, seriously man, i dont' even feel like arguing with you.

You're a weird person.

The Ketogenic diet is psychotic. Plus it's mostly water weight and the fat cells are actually conditioned during this diet to store fat at up to 10x their normal rate when given glucose (e.g. when you come off the diet). I used the CKD for about 4 weeks to condition my body to not abuse carbs (I was a psycho carb freak) and to learn how to eat protein. But for a long-term plan, it is terrible. Ask anyone what happens to them when they drink alcohol on this diet: Watch out!!! The liver is just not working right.

All I got to say in response to that is : LOL.

Dude, 1.75 gm protein per lb?

This guy isn't a BB and it doesen't sound like he wants to go there. First he needs to cut down weight and get his body metabolism fixed with a balanced diet.

Okay, LOL.... 1.75 grams of protein isn't shit...This guy weighs 210lbs. HE NEEDS TO eat protein and train hard in order to see results.

This guy came to "ELITE FITNESS'' and asked for advice. He didn't come to motherfuckin Jenny Craig support Group. We lift weights here. We fuck up our muscles. We tear them down. Thus we have to eat more protein than the average chubbster on the street.

HOW THA FUCK do you expect him to get his "metabolism fixed" while eating 120 grams of protein. Listen to yourself man, you sound ridiculous.

Please refrain from giving people advice on this board when you yourself need it.

He weighs 210lbs and he's trying to lose fat while gaining some muscle.

1.75grams of protein per lb of bodyweight.
1 gram of carbs per lb of bodyweight
.5 grams of unsaturated fat per lb of bodyweight.

This isn't some pussy as diet you find in Readers Digest. Your goal isn't to fit into a size 18 dress.

Your goal is to look great naked.

This diet isn't hard, but it sure isn't easy neither. But man, if your goal is to look great naked, Then you do what it takes and you don't bitch about it either.

You do that shit like a man, and handle it.

NO intelligent or experienced person on this board WOULD EVER disagree with this type of diet for this guy.

Only idiotic monkeys would.

BFL is a good diet, i'm not knocking it.... i'm just knockin YOU and you're "120 grams of protein is more than enough for you".

and all of your other idiot suggestions and theorys about everything.

 

[thebabydoc]

Whoa boy, easy on the AS! You might want to check you're Test levels, there.

This guy is 5'9", 210. If he want's to stay 5'9" and 210 then he should go ahead with
you're psycho advice.

I'm not sayin' its wrong, what i's sayin' is dat it does not sound to me like he wants
to be 5'9", 210 thick and ripped, it sounds like he would first like to be 5'9", 175 and
work on toning up.

If youd read my post, youd see dat I said dat before. If he decides to go big, then he
can pile on the protein LATER.

But at 5'9, 210 he's probably only carrying around 140 lbs of lean body mass (muscle),
so while for you, big guy at 10%BF, 1.75gm per lb of gross weight is cool, for him that
would translate to like 2.5gm per lb at 30%BF.

Baby steps first. Your diet is for advanced bodybuilding. There's no way Mobert is
gonna train like you or eat like you in the next 2 months, let alone 2 weeks. We all
agree that his diet needs like twice the protein and half the carbs that he is currently
ingesting and his weightlifting routine could use a little more variety and strain.

Originally posted by Tha One CrumCake
BFL is a good diet, i'm not knocking it.... i'm just knockin YOU and you're "120 grams of
protein is more than enough for you".

and all of your other idiot suggestions and theorys about everything.

Because I don't agree with you dosen't make me an idiot. If you really want to get
into a battle of wits with me, let's take it out to "chat & conversation," I can rip you
a new one there.

For now, lets see if we can encourage and help a fellow member who has reached
out for help.

Check out the facts for this case...give a guy doing the same low weight, low rep
home exercises every day 300gm of protein daily and you'll not only shut down
his kidneys, you'll make him a broke, fatter lard-ass when he can no longer afford
to buy that amount of protein per day. Plus, when he gets no results he'll quit and
never try it again. Teach him how to eat and exercise right and then he'll be in a
position to use and benefit from your otherwise sound advice when (and if) he's
ready. Trust someone who's just been there.

But if you don't believe me, let's get it from the horse's mouth...

Mobert, what do you want to look like, say 6 months from now?

 

[Tha One CrumCake]

No, tha very fact that you do not agree with me DOES make you an idiot.

Please stop giving idiotic advice to people that you get from reading Bullshit like Oprah Magazine. Go to tha womens board, because your tha sillyest bitch i've ever seen.

All your doing is bitching.

I'm not here to brag at all, so don't even get that idea.

But man i used to be pretty fat.
A close friend of mine put me on a diet very similar to this one.
i was eatting about 9 meals a day, carbs were pretty low, protein was extremely high, and fat was moderate. At first i thought this was insane. But i had the drive. i had it in me. And i conquered it.

Well in 6 months,,,FUCK YOU... not only did i lose practically all of my fat, but i gained some nice muscle as well.
Tha bitchez were jockin!

Well that was 2 years ago, .. .now ... FUCK YOU... now i am tha one doing tha training. I've put tons of people on diets. (BFL mainly, because i knew this chumps couldn't handle the hardcore shit).

But 3 OF MY close friends, 2 friends, 1 co-worker. I PUT on this diet. I knew they had the drive. They had the power inside of them. Yeah i know it's cheesy,...FUCK YOU... but they had the eye of tha tiger.

These guys where your average chubby outta shape 13 inch armed chumps on tha street.

Well in 6 months, BOOM, they where....FUCK YOU.... transformed. Sure it's not an easy diet, specially for a beginner to stick to...BUT OH FUCKING WELL. iT'S HARD? .. SO FUCKING WHAT. Handle it.

But man, you don't know how many times they've thanked me for keeping them on track. They're lovin tha results and they look pretty damn good. ... .FUCK YOU.

so you can sit there, and give your silly ass advice, and yapp about your retarded philosophies on kidney damage (LOL) , While I sit here as your wife rubs my balls.

and again...FUCK YOU.

and another thing... i'm not on anything, nor have i ever been...SO FUCK YOU AGAIN. ... dyke.






( babydoc, i don't mean to flame you) LOOOOOOL .. seriously i don't, i'm just doing it outta love baby.

Peace OuT.

Mobert, good luck bro.

 

[thebabydoc]

That aint a flame, that's more like a fart that failed to ignite, stink and all.

Love for who? Yourself? Salami Jr.?

 

[Tha One CrumCake]

Hey babydoc, by any chance do you speak with a "Lisp" ?

 

[Tha One CrumCake]

Beeeeeeeeeeeee aaaaaaaaaaaaatch!

 

[Tha One CrumCake]

That one waz from Abel.