Shady schools make big bank in recession

[ledhead]

That's fantastic.

But step back and take a moment to assess something: You're acting excited and surprised that teachers that sucked can actually be fired. That's a testament to how out-of-control the system has become.

1) We use certification processes (that vary by state) to restrict the number of available teachers.

2) Then we use tenure to give them what amounts to lifetime employment.

3) Then we use an arcane combination of state and union rules to make it almost impossible to fire them.

4) Then we prevent competition from other sources of education. Parents can take their money elsewhere to private schools, but they have to double-pay for both public and private education.

But wait... children are our top priority! They are our future.

I take it! that you dont like the (No Child Left Behind Act)

 

[digimon7068]

That's fantastic.

But step back and take a moment to assess something: You're acting excited and surprised that teachers that sucked can actually be fired. That's a testament to how out-of-control the system has become.

you could never fire a tenured teacher in PA back in the day. . .even if the POS was a friggin' alcoholic, child molester, the union would still defend them and win. . .not any more. . .the times they are a'changin'. . .our local school districts are also giving performance-based bonuses (they call them something else. . .but that's what they are) to teachers whose students excel in state testing (there are some other criteria as well, but the state tests are a big one). . .our school districts are starting to look and act more business-like and professional, and everyone from the custodians to the superintendent, are being held up to a higher standard. . .i think things are improving rather than disintegrating.

 

[ledhead]

you could never fire a tenured teacher in PA back in the day. . .even if the POS was a friggin' alcoholic, child molester, the union would still defend them and win. . .not any more. . .the times they are a'changin'. . .our local school districts are also giving performance-based bonuses (they call them something else. . .but that's what they are) to teachers whose students excel in state testing (there are some other criteria as well, but the state tests are a big one). . .our school districts are starting to look and act more business-like and professional, and everyone from the custodians to the superintendent, are being held up to a higher standard. . .i think things are improving rather than disintegrating.

I agree! When I went to school in the 80's some of those teachers should have not been
allowed to teach. The majority coundn't teach so they showed films every day!

Bush's "No child left behind act" I feel was revolutionary! Holding teachers accountable
for the their teaching performance. Instead of teaching "subjectively" their own opinion
whether a kid has the aptitude to move on or not. How many times have you heard
a teacher just pass a kid just to get rid of them because they are frustrated with that
student.It's just easier just to pass them then to be diligent in trying to make the student learn.

The No child left behind act makes teachers teach "objectively" by facts through test
scores which I feel is much needed especially in math and science where we are lagging
behind other countries. Math and science is where innovation comes from, and that's
what made this country the greatest country in the world our great ability to innovate.

The performance based bonuses I think are called "incentive pay". In other words
if a teacher's students excel in math, and science that teacher get's a bonus. It
motivates teachers to put the extra effort into teaching, and also weeds-out the
imposters who shoudn't be teaching.

 

[digimon7068]

I agree! When I went to school in the 80's some of those teachers should have not been
allowed to teach. The majority coundn't teach so they showed films every day!

Bush's "No child left behind act" I feel was revolutionary! Holding teachers accountable
for the their teaching performance. Instead of teaching "subjectively" their own opinion
whether a kid has the aptitude to move on or not. How many times have you heard
a teacher just pass a kid just to get rid of them because they are frustrated with that
student.It's just easier just to pass them then to be diligent in trying to make the student learn.

The No child left behind act makes teachers teach "objectively" by facts through test
scores which I feel is much needed especially in math and science where we are lagging
behind other countries. Math and science is where innovation comes from, and that's
what made this country the greatest country in the world our great ability to innovate.

The performance based bonuses I think are called "incentive pay". In other words
if a teacher's students excel in math, and science that teacher get's a bonus. It
motivates teachers to put the extra effort into teaching, and also weeds-out the
imposters who shoudn't be teaching.

those math and science statistics are skewed just a titch. . .we (specifically the liberal contingent) compare our "all inclusive" educational system (which is even more inclusive with the advent of no child) to the educational systems in every other country in the world, where children are separated, almost at birth, into classes based upon "intelligence" (and i use that term loosely because i've seen a LOT of people, that were branded as lacking some of the basic intelligence tools, become EXTREMELY successful adults). . .then we (the friggin' liberal assholes) compare the results of our all-inclusive system to the (relatively speaking) handful of students in those countries all-exclusive systems, and then we say "dang, we're lagging behind". . .no we're not. . .turn off fucking cnn for a while and think for yourself!!

ours is the ONLY country on the planet that doesn't have a highly evolved and highly sophisticated caste system, that stratifies it's populous based on (bullshit) socio-economic standards. . .and because of that, ours is still the land of opportunity. . .the greatest country in the world.

 

[mrplunkey]

ours is the ONLY country on the planet that doesn't have a highly evolved and highly sophisticated caste system, that stratifies it's populous based on (bullshit) socio-economic standards. . .and because of that, ours is still the land of opportunity. . .the greatest country in the world.

I totally agree.

What alarms me is when people are willing to give-up their opportunities for what they believe is security. We're slowly strangling the American dream in the name of a chicken in every pot, but what people don't realize is that the house always gets its cut of the revenue before it redistributes it.

 

[bakemeacookie]

I totally agree.

What alarms me is when people are willing to give-up their opportunities for what they believe is security. We're slowly strangling the American dream in the name of a chicken in every pot, but what people don't realize is that the house always gets its cut of the revenue before it redistributes it.

Let's put it this way. Unions and Govt have put such a strangehold for the private sector to try and teach young people - I am SERIUOSLY considering investing in education in foreign contries in technology, computers, design, films, etc in a few years. Faarrrr less red tape and bullshit to deal with.

If I make asians & europeans far superior than americans in these subjects and thus steal all their jobs - boo hoo. Go blame your teachers and govt then who only care about money and job security.

c

 

[Dial_tone]

I totally agree.

What alarms me is when people are willing to give-up their opportunities for what they believe is security. We're slowly strangling the American dream in the name of a chicken in every pot, but what people don't realize is that the house always gets its cut of the revenue before it redistributes it.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benny Hill..err Franklin.

 

[ledhead]

those math and science statistics are skewed just a titch. . .we (specifically the liberal contingent) compare our "all inclusive" educational system (which is even more inclusive with the advent of no child) to the educational systems in every other country in the world, where children are separated, almost at birth, into classes based upon "intelligence" (and i use that term loosely because i've seen a LOT of people, that were branded as lacking some of the basic intelligence tools, become EXTREMELY successful adults). . .then we (the friggin' liberal assholes) compare the results of our all-inclusive system to the (relatively speaking) handful of students in those countries all-exclusive systems, and then we say "dang, we're lagging behind". . .no we're not. . .turn off fucking cnn for a while and think for yourself!!

ours is the ONLY country on the planet that doesn't have a highly evolved and highly sophisticated caste system, that stratifies it's populous based on (bullshit) socio-economic standards. . .and because of that, ours is still the land of opportunity. . .the greatest country in the world.

I'm not quite sure who your referring to as a 'liberal asshole". I'm a Reagan conservative!

I'm not quite sure who your accusing of watching "CNN". I watch Fox news!

As for thinking for youself! You obviously got your information from an outside source.
Unless your omniscient and autimatically know everything.

I'm assuming you a conservative, and if you are it's their elite spokesmen that are
going around saying America is lagging behind China and India.

Newt Gingrich's book "Real Change" goes in depth about the subject.

Here is a link for you! www.rd.com/...america.../americans-math-and-science.../article 24076.
html

 

[digimon7068]

I'm not quite sure who your referring to as a 'liberal asshole". I'm a Reagan conservative!

I'm not quite sure who your accusing of watching "CNN". I watch Fox news!

As for thinking for youself! You obviously got your information from an outside source.
Unless your omniscient and autimatically know everything.

I'm assuming you a conservative, and if you are it's their elite spokesmen that are
going around saying America is lagging behind China and India.

Newt Gingrich's book "Real Change" goes in depth about the subject.

Here is a link for you! www.rd.com/...america.../americans-math-and-science.../article 24076.
html

i wasn't speaking about you at all. . .i was just taking my turn on the soapbox. . .i kinda figured you were a conservative type. . .i just like to spew a little venom once in a while. . .it's fun and harmless. . .but i actually mean most of it

 

[digimon7068]

I'm not quite sure who your referring to as a 'liberal asshole". I'm a Reagan conservative!

I'm not quite sure who your accusing of watching "CNN". I watch Fox news!

As for thinking for youself! You obviously got your information from an outside source.
Unless your omniscient and autimatically know everything.
I'm assuming you a conservative, and if you are it's their elite spokesmen that are
going around saying America is lagging behind China and India.

Newt Gingrich's book "Real Change" goes in depth about the subject.

Here is a link for you! www.rd.com/...america.../americans-math-and-science.../article 24076.
html

oh and, a lot of my opinions are as a result of observations i have made. . .i have a fair amount of contact with my local school district through my children, my relationships with people within the school district and a couple of civic organizations that i serve on. . .and i see my local school district as "typical" thus, i see it as a microcosm of the u.s. primary and secondary education systems. . .also, over the years, i have had contact with quite a few foreign exchange students from various countries (mostly european but also, asia and south america) and i was astonished on a number of occassions of these kids aspirations in life. . .for example, the last exchange student that my wife's parents had was from germany (my mother-in-law is an immigrant and is still quite "german" so, they had a number of european exchange students over the years), this girl was (by my estimation) quite gifted (academically speaking), she had one year of secondary education to complete when she returned to germany and she was already enrolled in and completing classwork in a nursing program. . .i asked her why she didn't consider being a doctor, she said she "wasn't allowed". . .she was interested in the health field, and that (the nursing program) was what she was directed toward. . .and when i say "directed toward", i mean, someone told her (in so many words) that, this was the "highest rank to which she was allowed to aspire" in that particular field. . .even though she was a very advanced student, somewhere along the line, the caste-system pigeonholed her as only having certain "capabilities". . .that's just one example, but it was a pretty common thing with many of the exchange students that i have gotten to know over the years. . .you can't compare our educational system to one like that. . .it's apples and oranges.

anyway. . .that's where my opinion comes from. . .i'm hardly omniscient . . .nah, i just keep my eyes and ears open and i ask questions when i don't understand something (which is quite frequently, i assure you )