Shady schools make big bank in recession

[mrplunkey]

If I owned a business and 10% of my employees were worthless youd damn sure Im going to look into the matter. Payroll aint no small expense.

But think how mean you'll be to the other 90% who work so hard!!!

It's not fair to measure people who care so much.

 

[jnevin]

I think the government should go after these fucking "credit repair" and "debt relief" scammers advertising all over tv and radio. They know people are hurting and they're just looking to bleed them for what little they have left. It's been proven most don't even attempt to do anything, cause legally they can't magically make your debt disappear or reduce it to damn near nil like they claim to. Most of these places just close up shop after a few months and change business names, wash/rinse/repeat.

The worst part about those places is that they're putting people in the equivalent of a Chap 13 BK in lenders' eyes. You can't just not pay what you owe to a creditor and have it work out for you. There are actual credit repair services that can really help people, but the debt relief ones end up doing more harm than good.

 

[-SD-]

But think how mean you'll be to the other 90% who work so hard!!!

It's not fair to measure people who care so much.

Maybe if i just feel more feelings the 10% will be like the 90%

 

[digimon7068]

Wow! that's interesting. Where do they come up with stuff that were' lagging behind in
science, and math. That's all I been hearing lately!

if you compare "their" small pool of best and brightest to our total pool, of course we're lagging behind. . .everyone in the united states of america (with the exception of those few that have significant learning disabilities) is not only offered but is now (as a result of no child) guaranteed the same access to learning, regardless of the individual's strengths or weaknesses. . .so, if you compare that type of system, to one that weeds out the (shall we say) underachievers, and prohibits access to those that have been weeded out, well, i submit to you that you are going to get some screwy statistics.

this is not to say that i totally agree with no child. . .in fact, i think it has some very real problems. . .schools, principals and teachers are measured by their student's achievements on standardized state tests. . .and the goals are pretty lofty. . .students who excel will score well on the tests, so they get little or no attention in the classroom because the teacher is spending the bulk of their time teaching to the students that are borderline proficient (and the population of borderline students seems to get bigger each year). . .thus, unless they have a strong educational support system at home, the gifted students aren't being properly challenged. . .this has (in my opinion) the effect of dumbing-down our best and brightest. . .which (once again, in my opinion) will have a self-fulfilling prophecy effect on the "lagging behind" argument.

on it's surface, no child seems like a great program. . .i mean, what could possibly be wrong with a system that sets high but realistic goals for the students, teachers and administration and then holds the teachers and administration responsible for meeting those goals? and then holds their feet to the fire if they don't meet the goals?? well, in my opinion, it can have the undesirable effect of leaving behind the ones that we can least afford to leave behind. . .namely the best and brightest.

 

[digimon7068]

I understand now! Thank for breaking it down for me.

i detect a note of sarcasm with a slight overtone of patronization in this response (as well as some of your others). . .wisenheimer

 

[mrplunkey]

this is not to say that i totally agree with no child. . .in fact, i think it has some very real problems. . .schools, principals and teachers are measured by their student's achievements on standardized state tests. . .and the goals are pretty lofty. . .students who excel will score well on the tests, so they get little or no attention in the classroom because the teacher is spending the bulk of their time teaching to the students that are borderline proficient (and the population of borderline students seems to get bigger each year). . .thus, unless they have a strong educational support system at home, the gifted students aren't being properly challenged. . .this has (in my opinion) the effect of dumbing-down our best and brightest. . .which (once again, in my opinion) will have a self-fulfilling prophecy effect on the "lagging behind" argument.

on it's surface, no child seems like a great program. . .i mean, what could possibly be wrong with a system that sets high but realistic goals for the students, teachers and administration and then holding the teachers and administration responsible for meeting those goals? and then holding their feet to the fire if they don't meet the goals?? well, in my opinion, it can have the undesirable effect of leaving behind the ones that we can least afford to leave behind. . .namely the best and brightest.

I've wrestled with the same issue. It seems like a mixed bag to me.

 

[timtim]

Let's go with your 90% figure, although I think the number of public school teachers who work their asses off is much lower.

id put the number of parents who work 1/4 of as hard as teachers at below 50%. measure teachers through what, standardized tests? so special education students and students that dont give a shit about school or the test which drag down the scores are a reflection of the teachers? for someone involved in education, you dont sound like you know much of what is going on in elementary and middle schools. tests scores arent a reflection of teachers. graduation rates arent a reflection of teachers. time to take the thumb out of the kids asses and make them responsible for their own success. this country is creating a bunch of ignorant finger pointers (starting with mommy and daddy in the house pointing fingers at everyone but themselves) who cant take responsibility for anything. you wanna finger point, and thats what youre doing, start with the parents. its their kids that fail, not the teachers. if the teachers took thetests, theyd all pass with flying colors.

 

[jnevin]

Reading plunkey's sig in this thread gives me lols.

 

[-SD-]

60% of the time, it works, everytime.

 

[digimon7068]

I've wrestled with the same issue. It seems like a mixed bag to me.

the academically-inclined kids need to be taught to and challenged. . .period. . .stupidity is an acquired affliction.

in pa?? our enrichment programs need to be expanded to make sure that these kids are being challenged.