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Sciatic Pain When DLing - This is F'ed Up!

bblazer

bblazer

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Today was a first.

During my first couple attempts at my warmups for deads I couldn't pull 315x2 without sciatic pain running down my right ass cheek and into my leg.

Never happened before, and it was enough for me to cancel deadlifing - another first.

Seriously, WTF IS GOING ON?

Has my age finally caught up with me? First my c6-c7 fusion this summer and now this.

I have spent my whole weight training life doing everything I can to avoid injury. I have made sure my form was as perfect as my body would allow, eaten right, not over-trained, never went too heavy. I just don't fucking get it!

This summer when I was laid up with my neck my attitude nearly (in all seriousness) cost me a second divorce.

If I can't do in the gym what I have loved my whole long life, I seriously don't know what I am going to fucking do. I swear to god I will take a bullet before I get on an elliptical. I'm not fucking joking.

If I am slowly breaking down, and I can't throw big heavy shit around anymore, I will feel like total shit. I mean I knew (I guess) this day might come, but christ on a crutch, I may be old, but I'm not that old, and god dammit a lot of my pride has come from the fact that I am stronger than 99% of the guys 25 years younger than me.

I'm seriously pissed off.

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Forget it...never happened. Just a bad day. Slept wrong. Heavy squatting the other day.

etc...
 
What kind of hip pre-hab work do you do? Saibotica is a bitch. I use my foam roller and a tennis ball on my hips and piriformis a few times a week to break up the knots. If I don't I'm crippled in pain when I squat/Dl.

lol@the hidden code in my post ;)
 
bblazer said:
I agree.

Bergmann thought I may have come down with a case of pussyitits.

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I've had a bad case lately. Trying to cure it with steak and baby powder though.

I have some Oreo's and pop corn to help me if I need them.
 
bblazer said:
Today was a first.

During my first couple attempts at my warmups for deads I couldn't pull 315x2 without sciatic pain running down my right ass cheek and into my leg.

Never happened before, and it was enough for me to cancel deadlifing - another first.

Seriously, WTF IS GOING ON?

Has my age finally caught up with me? First my c6-c7 fusion this summer and now this.

I have spent my whole weight training life doing everything I can to avoid injury. I have made sure my form was as perfect as my body would allow, eaten right, not over-trained, never went too heavy. I just don't fucking get it!

This summer when I was laid up with my neck my attitude nearly (in all seriousness) cost me a second divorce.

If I can't do in the gym what I have loved my whole long life, I seriously don't know what I am going to fucking do. I swear to god I will take a bullet before I get on an elliptical. I'm not fucking joking.

If I am slowly breaking down, and I can't throw big heavy shit around anymore, I will feel like total shit. I mean I knew (I guess) this day might come, but christ on a crutch, I may be old, but I'm not that old, and god dammit a lot of my pride has come from the fact that I am stronger than 99% of the guys 25 years younger than me.

I'm seriously pissed off.

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Bro that kind of attitude doesn't help with your lady if that's how you are gonna act like in face of adversity you are only making things worst for you guys and remember only women have PMS not us...

If makes you feel better here's a 70 old pulling 420lbs

YouTube - 70 Year old Bob Vastine dead lifts 420!!!!
 
Got a massage today. She grabbed a point on the bottom of my left foot and I nearly came off the table. Said that I had some serious pressure on my sciatic nerve coming from somewhere...probably from my gluteus minimus. She said I needed some rest, but that REST REST was the worst thing for an injury. Stretch, walk, warm up, WEAR MY BRIEFS/BELT/SUIT, and come back and see her after I squat Thursday :)

She also suggested that I DO take my meds (valium, muscle ralaxer, pain injections).
 
b fold the truth said:
Got a massage today. She grabbed a point on the bottom of my left foot and I nearly came off the table. Said that I had some serious pressure on my sciatic nerve coming from somewhere...probably from my gluteus minimus. She said I needed some rest, but that REST REST was the worst thing for an injury. Stretch, walk, warm up, WEAR MY BRIEFS/BELT/SUIT, and come back and see her after I squat Thursday :)

She also suggested that I DO take my meds (valium, muscle ralaxer, pain injections).
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Just do a 5 stone series starting at 325# to 60" in less than 20 seconds and you'll totally forget about your sciatic pain.

Trust me.

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She asked how my sub scapular shoulder pain was...I said "I can't even feel it NOW".

I easily picked up the 345 stone and walked about 2 feet with it. Then it just FELL from my body like I had no control over it. Wasn't a pain thing...just didn't have any control over it.

Heavy squats with briefs and a belt should help though...right?
 
b fold the truth said:
She asked how my sub scapular shoulder pain was...I said "I can't even feel it NOW".

I easily picked up the 345 stone and walked about 2 feet with it. Then it just FELL from my body like I had no control over it. Wasn't a pain thing...just didn't have any control over it.

Heavy squats with briefs and a belt should help though...right?
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They should. Don't stop the reps until the pain goes away!

And no briefs! What do you think this is the WPO? And I hope your belt is just a rehband! I'll have Gillingham send you one if you need it.

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bblazer said:
They should. Don't stop the reps until the pain goes away!

And no briefs! What do you think this is the WPO? And I hope your belt is just a rehband! I'll have Gillingham send you one if you need it.

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I like the briefs. I can get them on by myself and have to use the belt to hold the briefs up!

I'm pretty sure a lot of my pain is the fact that I've gone from rarely using more than 3 plates a side and a heavy band to having more than 6-700 lbs on the bar for reps every single week.

Yours "just went away"? I'd love for mine to magically disappear just as I park at my gym tomorrow.
 
Yup, just gone.

Well, sort of.

I was deadlifting and went for a total "grip & rip" and when the bar started to move, I actually felt a pop in my ass cheek, had a shooting pain similar to being re-circumcised, and then all was better.

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I'll wait till later on the week to check on the "re-circumcision".

I just hate taking valium, a muscle relaxer, pain injections and tylenol with "stuff" in it, and other things. Feel like a goofball (more of one) for most of the day.

We will have an electric outage tomorrow morning from 7:30-11:30 so I may have to have a protein shake followed by McD's. (Son to babysitter) then...

Reverse Hypers
Pull Throughs
Sled Walking
Stretching
Hanging Leg Raises
Pull Down Abs
Box Squat: 502, 578, 655 x 5
Speed Deads if possible
Front Squats if possible
GHR (maybe, maybe not)
Abs
Stretching
Valium, muscle relaxers, tylenol with "stuff", protein shake, lemon ade, and drive home.

The massage therapist has promised to "hurt me" again Friday afternoon.
 
bblazer said:
Try the GHR with bands!!

What the hell are abs?

I also see no kickbacks in that routine. You need those.

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GHR's with chains are harder...and they look cooler too. And I get a cool rust mark across my neck and shirt.

I think that abs are what screwed me up. Watching vids of Kroc doing sit-ups holding a 45 over his head so I started killing myself on those, think I moved too heavy too soon. Gotta have strong abs to have a strong squat/deadlift/yoke/farmers. I did have to explain to someone the other day that I was NOT training my abs hard so that I could SEE them...then I went to McDonald's.

I'll do the kickbacks just for you ;)
 
b fold the truth said:
GHR's with chains are harder...and they look cooler too. And I get a cool rust mark across my neck and shirt.

I think that abs are what screwed me up. Watching vids of Kroc doing sit-ups holding a 45 over his head so I started killing myself on those, think I moved too heavy too soon. Gotta have strong abs to have a strong squat/deadlift/yoke/farmers. I did have to explain to someone the other day that I was NOT training my abs hard so that I could SEE them...then I went to McDonald's.

I'll do the kickbacks just for you ;)
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Please also superset some hammer curls while sitting on a swiss ball in your rack.

I dare you to post that video.

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was it just when you deadlifted?

mine seems to be when i sit up, sit down etc...

I think it comes from being sedentary after my low and upper back injury and the month off. I will walk tonight and start chest workouts tomorrow. I've been reading on the internet and moving is the key and correcting any muscle imbalances which I suspect to be very tight and weak hamstrings. I will ease into squatting and DL again.

This sciatic is no joke and hope I can clear it up.
 
I sucked today!

Spent 45 minutes "walking", warming up, stretching, reverse hypers, release therapy with a baseball, foam rolling on my steel log, HOT creams, pull throughs, putting on my shoes, etc... I did my 65% set with 502 x 5 and couldn't arch 575 out of the rack. I tried about 10 times but couldn't get everything to push to arch it out. My right hip flexor was twitching just standing up.

Drove home and I've been walking around for hours with my briefs on...lol. I also bought a 2 meter long 2x10 piece of wood that I can hang between my kitchen counters to do "reverse hypers" on. I think I've done 30 sets today. Amazingly enough it provides enough relief for about 20 minutes at a time.

Getting better daily...I just want to be able to push hard. If I can't push, I can't hit big numbers, and the guys with the SCL won't even give me a look for next year. I simply NEED a 770 box squat, 805 deadlift, and 352 log press. NEED it...with a sense of urgency that doesn't let me sleep at night.
 
well, I re-fucked my low back today box squatting. Its been a month since I set foot in the gym and figured I'd be good to go but accelerated 135 too fast of all things and tweaked the left spinal erector. Very low tendon tie-in with pelvis near the glute which is driving the fucking sciatica crazy. I don't feel like I have a compressed disk.

I hate that word: sciatica. I hated it before I had one and thought it was made up shit. Now I hate it even more.

I'm pissed I can't squat and dead. Oh and sitting back on a bench hurts like a bitch because of it too. sorry for rant.

going to doc tomorrow or asap.

Started taking magnesium, heard it helps.
 
Valium, muscle relaxer, strong anti-inflammatories, did 30 sets of home made reverse hypers yesterday. They help the most.
 
How you feeling man?

I have been feeling mine alot. Just gotta stretch alot...and rest it.
 
b fold the truth said:
Valium, muscle relaxer, strong anti-inflammatories, did 30 sets of home made reverse hypers yesterday. They help the most.
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well, i got two prescript anti-inflamatories and a muscle relaxer.

I gotta ask b-fold, are those meds for the sciatica or just to stay loose and keep up with the stress from strongman? do you take em year round?

you think it could be limiting progress or does it come with the territory in that sport?
 
artificialaspirations said:
well, i got two prescript anti-inflamatories and a muscle relaxer.

I gotta ask b-fold, are those meds for the sciatica or just to stay loose and keep up with the stress from strongman? do you take em year round?

you think it could be limiting progress or does it come with the territory in that sport?
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I have a fairly serious stomach disease where most foods go straight through me and come out bloody. So I've been on a lot of different meds for a few years. The high doses of cortisone that I've taken really effect me mentally so I've taken valium and roofies (both very legal here) to help with anxiety and sleep related problems from that.

I've taken xanax to help deal with extreme cases of painful diarrhea.

Now, the muscle relaxer (which has no sedation effect) and the valium (very very very low dose, especially for my body weight) are being used to try and get all of the muscles to relax. And I have to be careful with any kind of anti-inflammatories because they tend to cause the possibility of internal bleeding.

I do NOT take anything before training except for icy-hot, ben gay type of creams and I'll use my e-stim machine. If I can't get loose through walking, reverse hypers, pull throughs, stretching...then I don't need to be training. I've taken so many meds over the last few years (couple years ago I was on 16 diff meds a day) that I just hate taking anything anymore.

Strongman, like any sport that involved athletic performance or gym work, is really based on pre-hab more than anything. Protect yourself so that you don't have to go to re-hab. Train your abs, rear delts, low back, stretch, hips, etc...as the list goes on.

But I know A LOT of athletes that use meth, other amphetamines, cocaine, codeine, morphine, and a lot of stuff that I have no idea what it is on a very regular basis. Some of them are good athletes...some are just slightly average maybe.

If anyone has ANY questions about ANYTHING...I will be happy to answer honestly and openly about everything. Over the last few years I think that I've used everything that you can imagine, and with my doctors watching and making suggestions.
 
b fold the truth said:
I have a fairly serious stomach disease where most foods go straight through me and come out bloody. So I've been on a lot of different meds for a few years. The high doses of cortisone that I've taken really effect me mentally so I've taken valium and roofies (both very legal here) to help with anxiety and sleep related problems from that.

I've taken xanax to help deal with extreme cases of painful diarrhea.

Now, the muscle relaxer (which has no sedation effect) and the valium (very very very low dose, especially for my body weight) are being used to try and get all of the muscles to relax. And I have to be careful with any kind of anti-inflammatories because they tend to cause the possibility of internal bleeding.

I do NOT take anything before training except for icy-hot, ben gay type of creams and I'll use my e-stim machine. If I can't get loose through walking, reverse hypers, pull throughs, stretching...then I don't need to be training. I've taken so many meds over the last few years (couple years ago I was on 16 diff meds a day) that I just hate taking anything anymore.

Strongman, like any sport that involved athletic performance or gym work, is really based on pre-hab more than anything. Protect yourself so that you don't have to go to re-hab. Train your abs, rear delts, low back, stretch, hips, etc...as the list goes on.

But I know A LOT of athletes that use meth, other amphetamines, cocaine, codeine, morphine, and a lot of stuff that I have no idea what it is on a very regular basis. Some of them are good athletes...some are just slightly average maybe.

If anyone has ANY questions about ANYTHING...I will be happy to answer honestly and openly about everything. Over the last few years I think that I've used everything that you can imagine, and with my doctors watching and making suggestions.
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For that reason and the way you workout i admire you bro!
 
blazzer,

why not do what all the older dudes at my gym, get ridiclulously shredded. still train, but back off the killer routines, workout for look, and crush shit. all the muscle showing, the 50 plus crowd that i train with look sick. alittle gh and test year round, they look tight. and its alittle gh, like 2iu a day and like 250mg test a week. nothing crazy.
 
timtim said:
blazzer,

why not do what all the older dudes at my gym, get ridiclulously shredded. still train, but back off the killer routines, workout for look, and crush shit. all the muscle showing, the 50 plus crowd that i train with look sick. alittle gh and test year round, they look tight. and its alittle gh, like 2iu a day and like 250mg test a week. nothing crazy.
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I have honestly thought about that. But, there is still that thing that got in my head so many years ago - you can never load the bar heavy enough. I keep seeing guys like Louis Simmons and Dave Tate going at it. Hell, Mark Felix is 44 and still a SERIOUS strongman competitor (although I am no where near 44).

I'm sure I'll get to the point though where I will have to back off though. It is just a really tough pill to swallow. While I am no where in their league, I can sort of sympathize with guys like Brett Favre and Michael Jordan.

I am, however, moving into coaching so that by itself may give me some of what I need to allow me to slow it down.

B-
 
bblazer said:
I have honestly thought about that. But, there is still that thing that got in my head so many years ago - you can never load the bar heavy enough. I keep seeing guys like Louis Simmons and Dave Tate going at it. Hell, Mark Felix is 44 and still a SERIOUS strongman competitor (although I am no where near 44).

I'm sure I'll get to the point though where I will have to back off though. It is just a really tough pill to swallow. While I am no where in their league, I can sort of sympathize with guys like Brett Favre and Michael Jordan.

I am, however, moving into coaching so that by itself may give me some of what I need to allow me to slow it down.

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seriously, i know alot, at least 10 guys, 50 and up, all who had pl or bbing backgrounds for 30+ years. they have changed gears, still get to lift hard and look great. you arent conceeding anything, "smarter not harder" is the approach. you have the base to look like a beast at your age. fuck the heavy shit, go lean. you will like the change of pace. i guarantee it. think longevity. id rather train till i cant then train till i force my body to not allow me. that would disasterous for me. as long as you can train, thats what matters.
 
timtim said:
seriously, i know alot, at least 10 guys, 50 and up, all who had pl or bbing backgrounds for 30+ years. they have changed gears, still get to lift hard and look great. you arent conceeding anything, "smarter not harder" is the approach. you have the base to look like a beast at your age. fuck the heavy shit, go lean. you will like the change of pace. i guarantee it. think longevity. id rather train till i cant then train till i force my body to not allow me. that would disasterous for me. as long as you can train, thats what matters.
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You make a very good and reasonable point.

Funny. My wife has said many of the same things. :)

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But as long as you CAN train, and train as hard as you can...why not just train freaking hard and let the cards fall where they may?

Odd Haugden is 56+...
 
bblazer said:
You make a very good and reasonable point.

Funny. My wife has said many of the same things. :)

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For fucks sake

Before long you're gonna be posting threads like, "Hey guys, Critique my Rear Glute Spread." and "Do these posing trunks look good with my tan?".

lol
 
SouthernLord said:
For fucks sake

Before long you're gonna be posting threads like, "Hey guys, Critique my Rear Glute Spread." and "Do these posing trunks look good with my tan?".

lol
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The color of the trunks don't matter as much as the tint in the airbrush from the spray tan booth.

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I wanted to update this with my progress. I was given tramadol, indocin, and soma and took those for a week straight with no working out. It really worked wonders. I could feel it getting better every day. I used a heat pad for about 2hrs each night.

Here we are a few weeks later and I can still feel some slight swelling in what feels like the tendons attached to my spinal erectors. Mostly on the left side and the sciatica discomfort has returned, albeit much better than the first round.

I'm looking to get either indocin or voltaren to reduce the swelling as naprxen ans ibuprophen aint cutting it.

Doc says indocin is the grand dady of NSAIDs and no working out on it.

I don't know where voltaren falls in the scheme of things. I just need something to reduce the swelling. Anyone have any other meds that do the trick or have an NSAID strength ranking chart? No narcotics cause those mess up my workouts and motivation...
 
Tramadol and voltaren work differently but both are anti-inflammatories/pain relievers. Tramadol is the best I've found for back pain so far.
 
bblazer said:
That's it!

Tomorrow is multiple 20RM squats with chains on the bar and chains across my body like bandoleers!

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Chains make every exercise cooler. I'm pretty sure you can do flyes with chains and it would look cool.
 
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