r-ALA experiment

[macrophage69alpha]

loss of sub-q water is due to reduction of plasma insulin (which increases sub Q water)

 

[MS]

Iron Queen, I have always used (racemic) ALA for my carb-up precontest with good results. This carb loading of muscles without too much insulin induced sub-q water retention is very noticeable in this situation.....I would still suggest you try it a few weeks out just to make sure you don't have any strange reactions to it. I have not used it otherwise while contest dieting, but my contest diet seems to keep my natural insulin sensitivity very high. If I were doing a diet that decreased insulin sensitivity (eg CKD) then I would definitely include ALA during the carb-ups. Put another way, I haven't noticed any difference in blood glucose levels with or without r-ALA as long as my carb intake at each meal is under 50g and low fat. Of course I can't measure insulin, so I can't be sure. But as soon as I have a pig out (high carb and/or high fat), THEN r-ALA makes a noticeable difference (and I'm not even dieting right now). I predict insulin sensitivity is even higher on a submaintenance diet with lots of exercise.

 

[valerie]

I am following a carb cycling type diet, M-F meals have less than 50 grams CHO I don't use r-ala. Use it only on my high carb days and at the 100mg per 30-50 grams CHO. I too have noticed no difference in using it with the lower CHO meals. Prefer to save the $$'s.-valerie

 

[macrophage69alpha]

women tend to have higher insulin sensitivity..

btw- the dryness etc described by MS is completely alleviated by biotin, which is available at AF and will be in the new glucorellR.

 

[MS]

"the dryness etc described by MS is completely alleviated by biotin"........I take supplemental biotin and r-ALA still drys me out

"women tend to have higher insulin sensitivity.."............??? In spite of higher bodyfat, plasma FFA and ketones, young healthy women have similar insulin sensitivity as young healthy men (Gianluca Perseghin et al, 2001). This is non-obese folks. Women taking OCs have reduced insulin sensitivity. Of course men and post-menopausal women are more prone to develop central obesity/metabolic syndrome and when this happens then they obviously have reduced insulin sensitivity (then again you would no longer classify them as 'young and healthy'). In any event insulin sensitivity changes throughout a woman's monthly hormone cycle, and at least some of the symptoms of PMS can be attributed to decreased sensitivity/increased plasma insulin. This is prolly the best time to take r-ALA (or avoid carbs?) if you are an otherwise young and healthy female not on OCs.

 

[The Shadow]

btw - A reliable person is about to be selling r-ala caps at 40 cents per 200 mg.....


btw - what is the racemic mix of ala in terms of R vesion versus the other form???

 

[macrophage69alpha]

btw - A reliable person is about to be selling r-ala caps at 40 cents per 200 mg.....


btw - what is the racemic mix of ala in terms of R vesion versus the other form???

thats 2$ per gram...thats the same price as AF.. which is bottled and independently tested.

50/50 at time of manufacture.. though due to many factors the amount of r may be cosiderably less at time of use/purchase

 

[Fonz]

thats 2$ per gram...thats the same price as AF.. which is bottled and independently tested.

50/50 at time of manufacture.. though due to many factors the amount of r may be cosiderably less at time of use/purchase

Another reliable source sells it for $1050/Kg.

Fonz

 

[MS]

That's way overpriced. An excellent independantly tested source sells it for $850 per kilo (plus postage). Gets cheaper too the more kilos you buy. Not much fun capping your own though, and not very accurate if you don't have good quality scientific scales.

 

[The Shadow]

well...this comes capped which is a big plus for me...and will come with a lab assay as well...