so basically what Im hearing is that the black flip offs with lot 001 exp aug 2002 is just from the first batch of product that was introduced, the box has a hologram but the bottle doesnt, I emailed QV but they havent responded, the only reason is Im weary is that I didnt do the shopping and when I shop I use only two certain establishments, one in TJ and the other rosarito, so I guess they are legit just curious, you know it makes you want to inquire when you look at the website and see something different, but Im sure this was just the first lots, just like tt sostenon being lot 00 and up to 125 were the first batches that hurt, and that shit still hurts....thanks guys any more info and replies are greatly appreciated.