protein powder/ meal replacment vs real food.

[HorseBox]

it doesnt even come close to having the exact same nutritional value. it is much less. there is also a lot of bull shit added that is not good for you.

it should make a difference to you if chicken is real chicken because if its not than most of what you are eating is bad for your health. hence fast food resteraunts, tv dinners, lunch meats ect. eat that shit for a few months and go get a health checkup. then you will understand.

Joe again you are just making assertions without providing any facts or theory behind them. Its like me saying "liquid food is better than solid food and thats just the way it is". The only argument you provided there was additives. The substances that are added to food replacement powders aren't necessarily unhealthy. Everything thats added to the product will (should anyway) be printed on the container so you can look it up yourself. Believing that something is bad just because its an additive is insane. I'm under the impression your not into science joe. There are scientific reasons behind why McDonalds food is unhealthy. McDonalds food != solid food replacements. When you buy a happy meal they don't print the ingredients on the back either.

 

[HorseBox]

It can be summed up pretty simply.

Eat a balanced nutritional diet of wholesome food concentrating on protein. Then add a shake or two for a quick, tasty, low calorie way to get the extra protein needed for extra muscle growth.

The main problem with shakes is that they don;t taste very good without some sugar -- which is fine most of the time. But if you want JUST protein, you need to take aminos or BCAA"s. OR..use GEAR which is SUPERIOR protein -- seriously, more concentrated than any food source.

Of course you need to eat. But bodybuilders have specific needs. A protein supplement just makes it easier to get what you need without revolving your life around what you eat.

I know this is a bodybuilding forum but if your going to debate things like these at least try to be scientific about it. Again the body needs proteins, carbohydrates, lipids, fibers, vitamins and minerals. Please correct me if I'm wrong or have left something out there. As far as I'm aware thats the mainstream theory on the matter. That hypothesis would imply that if a milkshake provides the right ratios of all those substances then they come close to providing the exact same nutritional value as any solid dinner could. There are of course other variables such as how different solid foods are broken down by the stomach but ultimately all food is turned into liquid before it can be absorbed. A consequence of not ingesting solid food would most likely be less HCl production in the stomach. I'm no doctor but I would assume thats a good thing. Excessive HCl causes a wide range of gastrointestinal problems and I speculate that the only function gastric HCl serves is breaking down food.

 

[joe d]

if you want a scientific explination ask a scientist. if you want a medical explination ask a doctor. if yoy want to know if its unhealthy to live off of protein shakes alone ask anyone its just simple common sence.

 

[HorseBox]

Just because it was once common belief that the world was flat didn't change the fact its spherical. If theres no evidence behind this "common sense" then its merely commonly accepted and unquestioned belief.

 

[joe d]

Just because it was once common belief that the world was flat didn't change the fact its spherical. If theres no evidence behind this "common sense" then its merely commonly accepted and unquestioned belief.

so be the test dummy. do it for a few months then go to the doctor for a checkup. see what happens. good luck to you in your quest whatever you decide to do.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

so be the test dummy. do it for a few months then go to the doctor for a checkup. see what happens. good luck to you in your quest whatever you decide to do.

We are seriously arguing if real food is better than "liquid" supplementation. Or other garbage like fast food??
I'm with joeD, I dare you to try it for a few months then hit the doctor. Be sure to post up your bloodwork.
HorseBox, did you bother to look at the guy you are arguing with about food? Take a peek at his avatar and tell me he built that shit with liquid food, or anything other than real solid clean foods.

 

[needtogetaas]

Just because it was once common belief that the world was flat didn't change the fact its spherical. If theres no evidence behind this "common sense" then its merely commonly accepted and unquestioned belief.

HARMFUL CONSEQUENCES
Many of the sources from which this information was found on the world wide web are advertisements for companies. Since they are trying to sell the product, they make their product seem unbelievably perfect. Most of the articles found were not scientifically researched, but were instead a few accounts expressing the product’s amazing results.
Even though liquid diets may have instructions and limitations on usage, critics claim that these diets have a large potential for misuse. Health risks may rise from lack of medical supervision or from people with only mild obesity on the diet. Many weight loss experts claim that liquid diets causing rapid weight loss tend to over use lean muscle and slow the metabolism, thus, making it even more difficult for weight loss to be maintained. Eventually, liquid diets can lead to the development of muscle cramps, anemia, dizziness, menstrual abnormality, and constipation. The people who are only mildly obese lose too much lean body mass which increases their chance of cardiac dysfunctions (http:www/thriveonline.com/@@D14HrAQAMR…ve/health/Library/CAD/abstract12030.html). The intensity of protein in the liquid diets can cause an electrolyte imbalance which results in irregular heart beats (http://www.columbia.net/1source/winter95/diet.html). Studies show that 25% of the people on liquid diets develop gallstones due to their inability to contract bile. In addition, liquid diets have even been known to cause deaths. During the 1970’s, 58 deaths were linked to the inadequate nutrition and too little calories in liquid diets (404 Page not found).

Cut and past. Forget from where.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I know this is a bodybuilding forum but if your going to debate things like these at least try to be scientific about it. Again the body needs proteins, carbohydrates, lipids, fibers, vitamins and minerals. Please correct me if I'm wrong or have left something out there. As far as I'm aware thats the mainstream theory on the matter. That hypothesis would imply that if a milkshake provides the right ratios of all those substances then they come close to providing the exact same nutritional value as any solid dinner could. There are of course other variables such as how different solid foods are broken down by the stomach but ultimately all food is turned into liquid before it can be absorbed. A consequence of not ingesting solid food would most likely be less HCl production in the stomach. I'm no doctor but I would assume thats a good thing. Excessive HCl causes a wide range of gastrointestinal problems and I speculate that the only function gastric HCl serves is breaking down food.

In theory I agree. As long as you get the necessary macro and micro nutrients it doesn't a matter if they're liquid or solid. Once when I was extremely busy I lived on protein shakes for a while. I got SUPER lean. Nice. But I wouldn't want to live like that.

 

[Mac173]

I've always had great results on a diet that was a majority liquid. If your busy or on the go it's better than nothing. 16oz skim milk/ 1 cup oats/ 1 scoop protien. Plus for those guys who don't have a large appetite it's an easy way to get the cals in.

 

[needtogetaas]

Well it just flat out sucks anyway. Food is a pleasure. Why give it up when there is no need to?