Primo and Var: Ladies testimonials

[palehorse51]

Hello ladies! my wife just started some primo. she weighs 115, 5 ft 3 in. she is naturally thin with low bodyfat. she wants to put on more quality muscle. shes looking at 50-100mg/wk primo or 10mg /day var. or combo. any advice? 1x a week inject or 2x wk? horror stories of clit growth? she knows the risks and is going forward. started the primo yesterday. Thank you for any help!!!!!

 

[the-short-one]

if it is her first cycle, don't stack. take one or the other, and start out with a low dose. You can always increase it, but you should't have to.

I'd recommend var way ahead of primo - especially if this is her first cycle. being that she's already started - keep it to 50mg a week, please.

sides from primo = shedding of head hair, facial hair growth, raspy voice, clit swelling, and possibly growth. also - spotting, possible loss of period. some women get nose bleeds.

primo is a strong drug for women, regardless of what you hear.

 

[the-short-one]

also - don't you think it would have been wise to find all this out BEFORE she started taking it? lolol

 

[Sassy69]

Does she have any experience w/ either of those by themselves? If not, then don't stack them. She won't know how she reacts to either of them individually so anything she gets - good or sides, she won't know what is the source. Also there is always the chance one or the other is a fake or somethign else. Primo has a history of being faked, so it is always possible. Again if you don't know which one is the culprit, then you won't know which is safe, which works better, etc. That's just basic common sense. Its not a race to see how much AAS you can shove in your body so there's no reason to by-pass a common-sense, conservative approach.

Personally I would've run the var first. If she's is open to suggestions, I'd seriously discontinue the primo & go to the var - 10 mg ed, split the dose in 1/2 since the 1/2 life is about 9 hrs -- keeps the spikes to a minimum over the course of the day. Run that for at least 8 weeks & see how it works. Should start to notice it in about 1.5 -2 weeks. Keep the diet tight and watch for potential water bloat - this is not uncommon w/ var. Don't bother w/ the primo until a complete cycle is done w/ the var. Take some time off and then consider the primo later. I'm also going to make the obvious statement about if she's naturally thin & looking to gain muscle then make sure her diet is designed to support that goal - otherwise get off the drugs & pay attention to the diet first. And then lift like a mutherfucker.

Primo is much more androgenic, takes longer to show results and also longer to come out of your system if you don't like the sides. Don't run the two together. Primo can be particularly rough as far as voice changing (expect this), hair falling out (expect this) & acne/oily skin (expect this). I would absolutely keep it to 50 mg /week first. Since she has no history w/ any drugs it sounds like and isn't plannign this all for a very specific date (e.g. competition) then there's no reason to be crazy aggressive w/ stuff she doens't know anything about or know very specifically how her body chemistry works with it. The idea is low & slow. If 50 mg gives sufficient results & manageable sides, stay w/ that. It takes at least 3-5 weeks to experience any results w/ primo so pay attention to the results & sides and stay at that level. If you don't like the sides, it will take at least 2-3 weeks for them to stop so that's why its important to not be cavalier about taking primo.

No one can guarantee any particular results or sides - that will be completely dependent on her body chemistry / interaction w/ the drugs. The clit growth, etc is all generally related to the presence of DHT in all of those AAS - generally unless you are dealing w/ long-term use, cumulative use or abuse, then it usually passes when the chemical finds its way out of your body. As I said - know the 1/2 life of whatever you are putting in your system so you are well aware of how long it will take to clear it out if you don't like the sides.

I assume she will also not be drinking or anything else that would overstress her body while putting this stuff in her system right?

 

[palehorse51]

also - don't you think it would have been wise to find all this out BEFORE she started taking it? lolol

Thanks for your advice!! there is no way she did this w/o researching...this isnt the only forum out there!

 

[palehorse51]

Does she have any experience w/ either of those by themselves? If not, then don't stack them. She won't know how she reacts to either of them individually so anything she gets - good or sides, she won't know what is the source. Also there is always the chance one or the other is a fake or somethign else. Primo has a history of being faked, so it is always possible. Again if you don't know which one is the culprit, then you won't know which is safe, which works better, etc. That's just basic common sense. Its not a race to see how much AAS you can shove in your body so there's no reason to by-pass a common-sense, conservative approach.

Personally I would've run the var first. If she's is open to suggestions, I'd seriously discontinue the primo & go to the var - 10 mg ed, split the dose in 1/2 since the 1/2 life is about 9 hrs -- keeps the spikes to a minimum over the course of the day. Run that for at least 8 weeks & see how it works. Should start to notice it in about 1.5 -2 weeks. Keep the diet tight and watch for potential water bloat - this is not uncommon w/ var. Don't bother w/ the primo until a complete cycle is done w/ the var. Take some time off and then consider the primo later. I'm also going to make the obvious statement about if she's naturally thin & looking to gain muscle then make sure her diet is designed to support that goal - otherwise get off the drugs & pay attention to the diet first. And then lift like a mutherfucker.

Primo is much more androgenic, takes longer to show results and also longer to come out of your system if you don't like the sides. Don't run the two together. Primo can be particularly rough as far as voice changing (expect this), hair falling out (expect this) & acne/oily skin (expect this). I would absolutely keep it to 50 mg /week first. Since she has no history w/ any drugs it sounds like and isn't plannign this all for a very specific date (e.g. competition) then there's no reason to be crazy aggressive w/ stuff she doens't know anything about or know very specifically how her body chemistry works with it. The idea is low & slow. If 50 mg gives sufficient results & manageable sides, stay w/ that. It takes at least 3-5 weeks to experience any results w/ primo so pay attention to the results & sides and stay at that level. If you don't like the sides, it will take at least 2-3 weeks for them to stop so that's why its important to not be cavalier about taking primo.

No one can guarantee any particular results or sides - that will be completely dependent on her body chemistry / interaction w/ the drugs. The clit growth, etc is all generally related to the presence of DHT in all of those AAS - generally unless you are dealing w/ long-term use, cumulative use or abuse, then it usually passes when the chemical finds its way out of your body. As I said - know the 1/2 life of whatever you are putting in your system so you are well aware of how long it will take to clear it out if you don't like the sides.

I assume she will also not be drinking or anything else that would overstress her body while putting this stuff in her system right?

Your posts kick ass!! THANK YOU!!!

 

[Sassy69]

Might be interesting if you get her to come check out the women's board, post a log or something for progress? Would love to hear how she decides to go and how it works out.

 

[palehorse51]

I think thats a good idea!

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Thanks for your advice!! there is no way she did this w/o researching...this isnt the only forum out there!

Then why are you asking some basic questions?

You are asking dosage questions - if she already started and you are STILL asking basic questions - then no, we don't think this is well researched. Sorry.

Want to know if we think she will gain some muscle? How is the diet and training? Give us details on THOSE TWO things - then we can tell if what our thoughts are.

 

[palehorse51]

Then why are you asking some basic questions?

You are asking dosage questions - if she already started and you are STILL asking basic questions - then no, we don't think this is well researched. Sorry.

Want to know if we think she will gain some muscle? How is the diet and training? Give us details on THOSE TWO things - then we can tell if what our thoughts are.

Because forums are about getting peoples PERSONAL experience! not reading regurgitated info. you know how after a doctor diagnoses something but you still want a second opinion? consider this the 12th opinion. if i had diet and training questions i would have asked. Those are both dialed.
so...not to be rude like you, but if you dont have any personal experience with gear im looking for answers from those that do....thanks.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Because forums are about getting peoples PERSONAL experience! not reading regurgitated info. you know how after a doctor diagnoses something but you still want a second opinion? consider this a fifth opinion.

No, I get this. Makes total sense to me. But the reason I am busting your balls is because you stated she already started. At this point, in my opinion, asking basic dosage advice for a current cycle is silly. But to each their own.

Don't stack until you know what the sides are.

Both Primo and Var carry the same side risks as EVERY OTHER AAS. Might be "milder" - but all the risks are the exact same.

How much muscle does she wish to gain? How much does she expect off this cycle?

How is her diet? Her training?

 

[Sassy69]

Just for the record - as I told you before - lots of girls show up w/ a blanket question about "I've got my winny how do I use it" and are going strictly on whatever little info or skewed info some guy or their bf gave them about winny will cut them up & lean them out. Sorry - but probably 8 out of those 10 times its exactly that much to go on and they have the wrong expectations about the drugs and have no idea about diet & training. So that part of the equation may appear like its getting beat to death, which is why I suggested if she pursues more questions here to include that info because it will get asked anyway.


Generally tho, you may or may not get 'personal experience' -- the discussion is a private thing and about controlled substances on an open forum. Not to mention the whole pile of shit that women often have to deal w/ if people find out they are cycling. Just telling you how it is when you ask for info like this. That's just the type of thing you may find,. And again - personal experiences - doens't really matter - it is still up to her to do the experiment herself - her body chemistry - no one else can guarantee what will happen.

 

[DJ_UFO]

WHO IN THE WORLD SAID THAT CLIT GROWTH IS AN HORROR STORY??

That's a blessing....

Whoever said that, kill him.

 

[palehorse51]

Lol!

 

[Sassy69]

Question to you - why the choice of the primo over the var? Any small amount of research would say var is the preferred & more predictable, milder choice for women....

 

[palehorse51]

Question to you - why the choice of the primo over the var? Any small amount of research would say var is the preferred & more predictable, milder choice for women....

she has both. some have said primo, some have said var. thats why we are still researching. its no problem to cut the primo.

 

[Sassy69]

she has both. some have said primo, some have said var. thats why we are still researching. its no problem to cut the primo.

So given that, you (she) just randomly picked to start the primo instead of the var?

 

[palehorse51]

no, not random. got alot of good feedback for primo. good feeedback for var. to be blunt i got primo, wasnt sure if the var would arrive....sure enough it did. sometimes in this game you have to use what you can get. of course we researched the sides. its a given. she is not a child. she made this decision totally on her own. i tried to discourage her with all the info about sides.i love the way my wife looks now. but ultimately it is her decision. i would be one hell of a hippocrite to tell her no, while i supplement.i actually am very happy to have a wife that i can be so honest with. i feel sorry for the guys that have to hide. without getting too personal about us, its positives will outweigh the negatives. ive been into training and nutrition for 20 years. was just looking for women who had actually used supplements to get thier feedback on these two compounds. i wish i just could of got some feedback not have to reveal our life story....this is sad because it can discourage people from getting good advice, this is why my wife hates forums. but to be real i do appreciate knowledgable people taking the time to share thier knowledge, so i really dont want to be rude or disrespect cool folks who i really dont know.

 

[Sassy69]

Well, like I said - the usual is that chix show up w/ an amazing level of ignorance - amazingly I've been active on several boards since 1999 and even w/ the amazing growth & expansion of the Internet, the questions are the same -- given the amount of information available, its almost like people have gotten dumber...

But I digress - it is a catch-22, but it actually does help to get the basics out of the way -- diet, training, goals - because the AAS is a component of that whole program.

Anyway - please get her to stick w/ us and post up

 

[palehorse51]

I was trying to, she has been reading over my shoulder here and adding her comments.... she is athletic, lean, body fat 10% 115 pounds. she makes good gains quickly.but she wants to put on some serious muscle and get strong. but not anything near female bodybuilding standards. she respects their dedication but still wants femininity. i honestly knew the var was the best option. and told her so. the primo arrived and honestly she got impatient and started the primo yesterday. which ,really primo is a great supplement for women ,when done in low doses. its just like anything, dont abuse or overdo. its not like overnight i will wake up to a werewolf. then sure enough the var came through, so luckily we have a choice. so i wanted to get as many more opinions as i could on this and i have.

 

[Sassy69]

10%? There gonna strongly suggest looking at the diet -- 10% is damn low so to gain muscle need to be feeding for muscle growth.

 

[the-short-one]

I was trying to, she has been reading over my shoulder here and adding her comments.... she is athletic, lean, body fat 10% 115 pounds. she makes good gains quickly.but she wants to put on some serious muscle and get strong. but not anything near female bodybuilding standards. she respects their dedication but still wants femininity. i honestly knew the var was the best option. and told her so. the primo arrived and honestly she got impatient and started the primo yesterday. which ,really primo is a great supplement for women ,when done in low doses. its just like anything, dont abuse or overdo. its not like overnight i will wake up to a werewolf. then sure enough the var came through, so luckily we have a choice. so i wanted to get as many more opinions as i could on this and i have.

10% is low. I'm assuming her abs are showing and she has very little fat on her chest, right?

If she wants to add muscle - like Sass said - she's going to have to eat a surplus of calories. Do you know what her calorie maintenance level is?

 

[palehorse51]

10% is low for a woman especially. happily for me she has a nice perky set of boobs, but no fat on stomach, little on but and back of upper thighs. she knows she needs to eat more. doesnt like to eat in the morning. ive been getting her to have a good protien shake in the morning, she likes it w soy milk and fozen berries. needs to eat more meals, period. i honestly think the supplements will help her appetite. she cme back from c section, gave us a beutiful baby boy 1 year ago. i am shocked at how fast her ass fat and fluid went away. and stomach got flat fast! her arms and delts show nice definition. she is tiny and wants more muscle and strength than what trining natty has given her.

 

[Sassy69]

... lol actually here's a good example of when the details of diet & training are important. Her diet won't support good natural muscle growth..... That's how you get this feelign of 'natty isn't enough'.... Regardless of what she likes or doesnt like to eat, if you are seriouse enough to inject or inject exogenous male hormones, why aren't you serious to EAT like you want to get the same results....


Sorry to sound like a rant - but if your diet & training don't already support your goals, the supps are not going to get the best results for you.

If you want to cycle like you mean it, then eat like you mean it and get the results you want for the stress you are going to put your body thru. Further the stress of introducing stuff like steroids into your system will produce all sorts of waste & by products (for ex - when you start detoxing off primo and some of the heavier compounds your body will start to give off a wonder ammonia smell -- this is just your body working the shit out of its system - but a complete and solid diet will also go a long way towards helping support keeping all the daily functions of your body operating efficiently. Short-sheeting yourself calorie & nutrient-wise will basically result in catabolism and less than efficient daily functions.

 

[palehorse51]

No, I get this. Makes total sense to me. But the reason I am busting your balls is because you stated she already started. At this point, in my opinion, asking basic dosage advice for a current cycle is silly. But to each their own.

Don't stack until you know what the sides are.

Both Primo and Var carry the same side risks as EVERY OTHER AAS. Might be "milder" - but all the risks are the exact same.

How much muscle does she wish to gain? How much does she expect off this cycle?

How is her diet? Her training?

"Both Primo and Var carry the same side risks as EVERY OTHER AAS" ???? looks like you havent done your research. By this logic giving her sustenon 250 would be the same as giving her primo or var? please take your attempted flaming somewhere else and let someone WITH EXPERIENCE answer our questions.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

#1 thing get primo tested before you ever inject her with it is fauxed often and normally with test.

 

[The Shadow]

I was hoping Qt would be all over this thread.

imo - var is a better choice hands down and in any situation

 

[superqt4u2nv]

I was hoping Qt would be all over this thread.

imo - var is a better choice hands down and in any situation

I hate primo LOL

25mg a week and I got sides off it but to be honest the more I have talked about the sides with others the more it sounds like it might have been a faux and actually been test. Anyway IMO primo is a poor choice for a first cycle var is more then enough you would be shocked to see how much the average female can grow off 5-10mg of var a day. I have stated this many times but any injectable with a long half like such as primo is a big gamble if you get sides you have to ride them out and hope they don't get worse.

My question to you is your wife ready to see her hair fall out? I she ready to see a possilbe change in voice? Is she ready to have acne? I she ready for possilbe clit enlargment? All these are possible with the cycle she is on.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

Oh one more thing... she may say yeah she is ready for sides she can handle it tell it happens then she is like wtf? I was like yeah I am cool I know the sides I had takin var before I tried primo and never had a problem I just thought it would be the same. It was not 4 weeks in my hair was falling out big time at 8 weeks I dropped it cause I could not handle the hair falling out. You know what happend then? My voice started to crack? WTF trust me that shit is more scarey then I can ever say. It took a full year for my hair to come back to its regular thickness I am very lucky I have thick hair to begin with. My voice luckly came back as well after approx 2 months but it was horse and cracky for a while and it could have easily stayed like that.

 

[the-short-one]

I hate primo LOL

25mg a week and I got sides off it but to be honest the more I have talked about the sides with others the more it sounds like it might have been a faux and actually been test. Anyway IMO primo is a poor choice for a first cycle var is more then enough you would be shocked to see how much the average female can grow off 5-10mg of var a day. I have stated this many times but any injectable with a long half like such as primo is a big gamble if you get sides you have to ride them out and hope they don't get worse.

My question to you is your wife ready to see her hair fall out? I she ready to see a possilbe change in voice? Is she ready to have acne? I she ready for possilbe clit enlargment? All these are possible with the cycle she is on.

oi. I shedded hair like a dog and my throat got so sore I was popping HALLS all day. I did get a bloody nose the second week - out of nowhere. I was driving my son to school and started bleeding all over the damn place. It only happened to me once, but it was messy. I know a few other girls who had the smae problem.

 

[the-short-one]

...anyway - diet is UBER important if she wants to add muscle without gaining much fat. I'm talking 5-6 times a day of eating, never skipping meals, eating a shit load of protein.

My boyfriend had to same problem of not wanting to eat - I hounded him for weeks. The scale and his measurements finally convinced him and he's eating to gain now, but he did not gain one ounce of muscle while on gear for a month because he did not eat enough. ...and he was taking a lot more than your wife is taking.

 

[The Shadow]

Exactly

Gear Is A Tool....nothing More

 

[palehorse51]

I hate primo LOL

25mg a week and I got sides off it but to be honest the more I have talked about the sides with others the more it sounds like it might have been a faux and actually been test. Anyway IMO primo is a poor choice for a first cycle var is more then enough you would be shocked to see how much the average female can grow off 5-10mg of var a day. I have stated this many times but any injectable with a long half like such as primo is a big gamble if you get sides you have to ride them out and hope they don't get worse.

My question to you is your wife ready to see her hair fall out? I she ready to see a possilbe change in voice? Is she ready to have acne? I she ready for possilbe clit enlargment? All these are possible with the cycle she is on.

Thank You!!!

 

[RottenWillow]

Short and QT, thanks for the anti-testimonials on Primo. I'll definitely file that info under important stuff not to forget.

 

[palehorse51]

...anyway - diet is UBER important if she wants to add muscle without gaining much fat. I'm talking 5-6 times a day of eating, never skipping meals, eating a shit load of protein.

My boyfriend had to same problem of not wanting to eat - I hounded him for weeks. The scale and his measurements finally convinced him and he's eating to gain now, but he did not gain one ounce of muscle while on gear for a month because he did not eat enough. ...and he was taking a lot more than your wife is taking.

Thank you!!

 

[the-short-one]

Short and QT, thanks for the anti-testimonials on Primo. I'll definitely file that info under important stuff not to forget.

I'm not anti-primo. I would take it again, but was kind of fooled in the beginning by all the rave reviews it got from people. Lots of talk about how mild a steroid it is and safe for women - and I did a lot fo research on it. Personal experience taught me otherwise. Fortunately for me, the sides weren't horrible. the hair loss concerned me the most, and annoyed my boyfriend because my hair was in EVERYTHING. lolol

there are women out there who reacted beautifully to it with no or little sides. it's very individual.


Also - I read a lab report on British Dragon primo last year - the dosing on it was OVER what the label said. Good for guys, but not good for women. You think you're taking 50mg EW, but it might be as high as 150mg.

So - unless you've made it yourself, you're never quite sure what the actual dosage might be. That's dangerous.

 

[palehorse51]

I'm not anti-primo. I would take it again, but was kind of fooled in the beginning by all the rave reviews it got from people. Lots of talk about how mild a steroid it is and safe for women - and I did a lot fo research on it. Personal experience taught me otherwise. Fortunately for me, the sides weren't horrible. the hair loss concerned me the most, and annoyed my boyfriend because my hair was in EVERYTHING. lolol

there are women out there who reacted beautifully to it with no or little sides. it's very individual.


Also - I read a lab report on British Dragon primo last year - the dosing on it was OVER what the label said. Good for guys, but not good for women. You think you're taking 50mg EW, but it might be as high as 150mg.

So - unless you've made it yourself, you're never quite sure what the actual dosage might be. That's dangerous.

Excellent feedback!! thats what im saying. you can read all the regular info from books and steroid profile sites, and they all will tell you primo is great for women. I know everyone reacts differently, and real world experience is often more valuable then what a book or site says. Thanks again!

 

[RottenWillow]

I'm not anti-primo. I would take it again, but was kind of fooled in the beginning by all the rave reviews it got from people. Lots of talk about how mild a steroid it is and safe for women - and I did a lot fo research on it. Personal experience taught me otherwise. Fortunately for me, the sides weren't horrible. the hair loss concerned me the most, and annoyed my boyfriend because my hair was in EVERYTHING. lolol

there are women out there who reacted beautifully to it with no or little sides. it's very individual.


Also - I read a lab report on British Dragon primo last year - the dosing on it was OVER what the label said. Good for guys, but not good for women. You think you're taking 50mg EW, but it might be as high as 150mg.

So - unless you've made it yourself, you're never quite sure what the actual dosage might be. That's dangerous.

Well "shedding hair like a dog" is definitely a deal breaker for me, sister.

 

[Sassy69]

"Both Primo and Var carry the same side risks as EVERY OTHER AAS" ???? looks like you havent done your research. By this logic giving her sustenon 250 would be the same as giving her primo or var? please take your attempted flaming somewhere else and let someone WITH EXPERIENCE answer our questions.

But they are essentially the same - but the degree and presence of them will vary from person to person. It does happen that generally var is the milder - but you'll find people who bloat, get bloody noses, acne, etc. on that and people who get almost nothing on primo.

But the types of things you can expect are about the same - the degree will vary. Lots of people look at winny & var as equivalent because the dose is about the same, etc, winny can be a tab, etc. But winny will be even worse than primo with regard to the hair & the voice thing. They will all interrupt your period, most will produce acne, some will bloat, etc etc etc.

 

[heavy_duty]

Bro I have to give you some green. You asked 1 question and got 100 in return and came back for more LOL.

green K for your sore balls.

Hello ladies! my wife just started some primo. she weighs 115, 5 ft 3 in. she is naturally thin with low bodyfat. she wants to put on more quality muscle. shes looking at 50-100mg/wk primo or 10mg /day var. or combo. any advice? 1x a week inject or 2x wk? horror stories of clit growth? she knows the risks and is going forward. started the primo yesterday. Thank you for any help!!!!!

 

[palehorse51]

But they are essentially the same - but the degree and presence of them will vary from person to person. It does happen that generally var is the milder - but you'll find people who bloat, get bloody noses, acne, etc. on that and people who get almost nothing on primo.

But the types of things you can expect are about the same - the degree will vary. Lots of people look at winny & var as equivalent because the dose is about the same, etc, winny can be a tab, etc. But winny will be even worse than primo with regard to the hair & the voice thing. They will all interrupt your period, most will produce acne, some will bloat, etc etc etc.

Thank You!!! youre rants are more than welcome and appreciated! I "see" the concern and wealth of knowledge shining through. Its obvious you know youre stuff. Im trying to get "palemare51" to get on here and learn more. i can tell her all day long to eat more,and better, but the female perspective is probably what she needs...

 

[Daisy_Girl]

"Both Primo and Var carry the same side risks as EVERY OTHER AAS" ???? looks like you havent done your research. By this logic giving her sustenon 250 would be the same as giving her primo or var? please take your attempted flaming somewhere else and let someone WITH EXPERIENCE answer our questions.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

Every AAS has the POTENTIAL for the exact same same sides.

 

[palehorse51]

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

Every AAS has the POTENTIAL for the exact same same sides.

NO, they dont, sorry. they are different compounds! ARE YOU SERIOUS!!! you are saying anavar or primo have the same potential for sides as Anadrol or Sustenon!! please!!! the POTENTIAL is not the same for these. The POTENTIAL is HIGHER for some. why do you think certain AAS are recommended for women and others are not? What is your experience? you have already crossed the line to rude!!! im just trying to get some feedback.

 

[The Shadow]

NO, they dont, sorry. they are different compounds! ARE YOU SERIOUS!!! you are saying anavar or primo have the same potential for sides as Anadrol or Sustenon!! please!!! the POTENTIAL is not the same for these. The POTENTIAL is HIGHER for some. why do you think certain AAS are recommended for women and others are not? What is your experience? you have already crossed the line to rude!!! im just trying to get some feedback.

Chill out dude.

She is saying that EVERY AAS has the potential to:

develop secondary male caharacteristics
increase clit growth

etc etc etc


All AAS are in some form or fashion, derivatives of Testosterone.


You dont know what compound will develop which sides in each person.


it is totally an individualistic response.


What she said is correct.( I have seen var cause shedding in women, not in others)

What you are stating is also correct.(anadrol has a HIGHER incidence of massive sides than would var)


You are both correct, but are saying slightly different things.

 

[palehorse51]

Chill out dude.

She is saying that EVERY AAS has the potential to:

develop secondary male caharacteristics
increase clit growth

etc etc etc


All AAS are in some form or fashion, derivatives of Testosterone.


You dont know what compound will develop which sides in each person.


it is totally an individualistic response.


What she said is correct.( I have seen var cause shedding in women, not in others)

What you are stating is also correct.(anadrol has a HIGHER incidence of massive sides than would var)


You are both correct, but are saying slightly different things.

Dude, dont tell me to chill, im not even hot. did you notice the condecending tone and profanity in some of those posts??? guess not. you just wanna get on me for defending my point. i am nothing but respectful on here , with a totally legit question. what shes saying is not correct. the POTENTIAL for sides is HIGHER with certain AAS not the same. Get off the fence.you should read the entire post before commenting. you are telling me what i stated in the beginning. why do you think i was looking for personal experience?
p.s. can i just type: "elite moderator" under my name??

 

[The Shadow]

Dude, dont tell me to chill, im not even hot. what shes saying is not correct. the POTENTIAL for sides is HIGHER with certain AAS not the same. Get off the fence.

LMFAO
HERE we go..........



She said.....
"Every AAS has the POTENTIAL for the exact same same sides"



Translation:


Every AAS, as they are ALL derivitives of the Testosterone molecule, has the POTENTIAL for developing the same(list) of sides. This is the very reason why ALL AAS carry the same list of contra-indications about the POSSIBILITY of developing those sides.

she didnt say ANYTHING about the EXTENT of the sides, as you took it.



You, on the other hand, are saying that Anadrol in females will most certainly produce more aggresive sides than will Var.

You are correct in stating that....but it IS different than what she specifically stated.



She is referring qualitatively to a list of sides...you can get them or not.

You are referring quantitatively to the same list.....some AAS will cause GREATER sides



...there IS no fence - its two separate issues.

 

[The Shadow]

p.s. can i just type: "elite moderator" under my name??

LMAO


Well - "guru" certainly doesnt fit.

 

[palehorse51]

LMAO


Well - "guru" certainly doesnt fit.

Well "elite moderator" here are her quotes:
"Both Primo and Var carry the same side risks as EVERY OTHER AAS. Might be "milder" - but all the risks are the exact same." NOT TRUE! read up on anavar shadow and compare its side risks to those of anadrol.

The "potential" for those sides is also less in anavar and primo for women. have you EVER seen someone recommend any form of test, anadrol, dbol etc...to a woman and just told them "take a MILDER dose?"

for such an "elite moderator" you are not very bright.Even a "GURU" should always attempt to expand their knowledge. how does asking a question take away from that? as you already stated, i am correct. so quit hangin out on the womens board and go pick up some iron. pm me and ill set you up a nutrition and training program. if you would like self defense training i can help you out there as well. i have reasonable hourly and half hour rates.

its very sad that you would resort to put downs after losing a simple debate.if i ran elite fitness and someone posted a totally legit question that could affect someones health and they were flamed with profanity and condecending attitude by supposed "elite moderators" that dont know the basics, i would clean house. quit treating everyone like a newbie, just because they are somewhat new on a particular forum. this is not the only forum out there. peace.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

so quit hangin out on the womens board and go pick up some iron. pm me and ill set you up a nutrition and diet program.

its very sad that you would resort to put downs after losing a simple debate. peace.

LMAO ....

Yeah Shadow - maybe you should get a nutrition and training program set up for you!

OMG, that is all I have to say.

 

[The Shadow]

Well "elite moderator" here are her quotes:
"Both Primo and Var carry the same side risks as EVERY OTHER AAS. Might be "milder" - but all the risks are the exact same." NOT TRUE! read up on anavar shadow and compare its side risks to those of anadrol.

The "potential" for those sides is also less in anavar and primo for women.

for such an "elite moderator" you are not very bright.

I will try this once more:

Let's say you are about to shoot up some Vitamin B-12 or something.

An insulin needle comes with the possible side effect of "may cause discomfort and bleeding"

An 18" gauge comes with the possible side effect of "may cause discomfort and bleeding"


Both have the same possible side effects = pain and bleeding.


The slin needle might not hurt "YOU" at all, but it could possibly hurt someone else. The possibilty was there - it just never surfaced.


The 18 is probably going to hurt you AND everyone else that as well.
The posibility was not only there - but it also surfaced.



If you think in terms, for this discussion, of:


var = slin

18" - Drol



....that's a very analgous situation.

 

[The Shadow]

Put downs??

LMFAO...son - you dont have a clue.

Stop now before you strain something

 

[palehorse51]

Put downs??

LMFAO...son - you dont have a clue.

Stop now before you strain something

Get professional...ASAP. im done with you.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

I love it.

I love it when people come in here all angry and violent when someone calls them out, or disagrees with them. WTF is that all about? I swear, people come in here thinking "ah, the women's board doesn;'t know anything" and they are the "gurus" what are going to "school us".

I simply love it.

 

[Ilk]

I love it.

I love it when people come in here all angry and violent when someone calls them out, or disagrees with them. WTF is that all about? I swear, people come in here thinking "ah, the women's board doesn;'t know anything" and they are the "gurus" what are going to "school us".

I simply love it.

I hear that DG...

"Guru" Oh my! PUHLEASE!

 

[The Shadow]

Get professional...ASAP. im done with you.

Sorry if the big words in my last explanation were.....well - too large.

I abbreviated "insulin" to slin and 18 gauge to 18"...but I guess it didnt help a lot.


Debates don't seem to be your forte'.


What else could we....

Oh wait I know.....


What about Hungry Hungry Hippos??

 

[palehorse51]

Sorry if the big words in my last explanation were.....well - too large.

I abbreviated "insulin" to slin and 18 gauge to 18"...but I guess it didnt help a lot.


Debates don't seem to be your forte'.


What else could we....

Oh wait I know.....


What about Hungry Hungry Hippos??

i seriously hope you dont represent elite fitness in any official way! damn, you lose a second grade debate and get all juvenille. sorry if i busted your glass ego. you are the man, you are the man!! sorry i mean Woman. since i posted this in the womans forum and asked for womens personal experience. go slap a maxi on your swollen clit. then hit the gym!!

PROPS to the_short_one and sassy69. i really do appreciate the advice. you are a couple of pros and i dont mean any of this toward you.

 

[The Shadow]

i you are the man,

...at least you got ONE thing right today

 

[palehorse51]

...at least you got ONE thing right today

Girl, dont go away mad....just go away!

 

[The Shadow]

PROPS to the_short_one and sassy69. i really do appreciate the advice. you are a couple of pros and i dont mean any of this toward you.

LMFAO......one said the exact same thing as I did and I'm training the other one.


Dude....you keep Qwning yourself - stop now for God's sake before someone calls PETA

 

[The Shadow]

btw - PETA = People for the Ethical Treatment of Assholes

 

[The Shadow]

someone lock this joke of a thread.

 

[palehorse51]

someone lock this joke of a thread.

thanks child.... if you dont have anything good to say just go away!

 

[The Shadow]

thanks child.... if you dont have anything good to say just go away!

Dude....do you have a yeast infection today or did you just sprain your uterus??

I know how magnetic my personality is....but enough is enough.

If you want to continue this - pm me.


All flaming aside.....this is a good thread - and I don't want to lock it up but I will if this shit continues.


And please dont think that is a threat because it's not.

 

[palehorse51]

Dude....do you have a yeast infection today or did you just sprain your uterus??

I know how magnetic my personality is....but enough is enough.

If you want to continue this - pm me.


All flaming aside.....this is a good thread - and I don't want to lock it up but I will if this shit continues.


And please dont think that is a threat because it's not.

yeah this is a good thread im sure there are others with these questions...if you wanna go back in the thread you might see i have been respectful until disrespected....what ever happened to "treat people as you want to be treated" and "you have to give respect to get it", guess elite is exempt from that. sad.

 

[sofakingdel]

i checked this thread out cause i wanted to have some information for some of my lady friends. its a good thread and the women here are dropping some good knowledge so keep it open, let the elite women handle it becaue they know the true effects and we as guys can soak up the knowledge. Plus palehorse is only seeking knowledge so help him out dont rip on him. I know he's helped me enough.

yeah this is a good thread im sure there are others with these questions...if you wanna go back in the thread you might see i have been respectful until disrespected....what ever happened to "treat people as you want to be treated" and "you have to give respect to get it", guess elite is exempt from that. sad.

 

[palehorse51]

btw - PETA = People for the Ethical Treatment of Assholes

WOW! anyone that wants to read this thread is gonna see who the angry assholes are. Honestly im sure you know youre shit, but jumping on me when im looking for some feedback is fucking wrong! I think its funny how youy act so hard online. talking shit like a school kid. then threatening to lock the thread after you lose the argument and make a total ass of yourself. stop with the shit talking and act like a man not a woman and a child.

 

[sofakingdel]

WOW! anyone that wants to read this thread is gonna see who the angry assholes are. Honestly im sure you know youre shit, but jumping on me when im looking for some feedback is fucking wrong! I think its funny how youy act so hard online. talking shit like a school kid. then threatening to lock the thread after you lose the argument and make a total ass of yourself. stop with the shit talking and act like a man not a woman and a child.

Damn Palehorse I don't understand why you got flamed for asking legit questions. NOT COOL.

 

[heavy_duty]

As usual the bullshit started early when somebody came in with no intent to help but insisting on adding her $.02 just for the sake of adding it.

Dude don't take it personal, it happens every week.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Damn Palehorse I don't understand why you got flamed for asking legit questions. NOT COOL.

Not to beat a dead horse, but if you notice who started the flaming .... HE started it by "slamming" or "schooling" me.

Simply because he disagreed with my statement that ALL AAS has the potential for the same sides. He tried to claim I had no idea what I am talking about. But HE was the one being closed-minded. if you notice - SASSY also agreed with me .... because it is true. ALL STERIODS have the potential for sides. Yes, even mild ones. There is NO side-free steroid. Not one is guranteed to NOT cause sides. Does everyone get sides? NO.

HE started this with Shadow too. Yes, I swear - that is just me. I never flamed anyone nor did I call him names.

He came over here with the chip on his shoulder- and we call them like we see them. If you don't like it - see ya. There is no room here for assholes or degenerates.

Disagreement and dissention is fine. Discussion is welcome. Trying to call out Mods and VETS with this attitude is not welcome. Respect IS earned - and you sir, have no respect for the people, here - so therefore, I think you are a useless jackass.

 

[heavy_duty]

There is only 1 guy allowed TO post in this forum and it aint you Palehorse now git goin!

ROTFLMFBAO

Damn Palehorse I don't understand why you got flamed for asking legit questions. NOT COOL.

 

[palehorse51]

Not to beat a dead horse, but if you notice who started the flaming .... HE started it by "slamming" or "schooling" me.

Simply because he disagreed with my statement that ALL AAS has the potential for the same sides. He tried to claim I had no idea what I am talking about. But HE was the one being closed-minded. if you notice - SASSY also agreed with me .... because it is true. ALL STERIODS have the potential for sides. Yes, even mild ones. There is NO side-free steroid. Not one is guranteed to NOT cause sides. Does everyone get sides? NO.

HE started this with Shadow too. Yes, I swear - that is just me. I never flamed anyone nor did I call him names.

He came over here with the chip on his shoulder- and we call them like we see them. If you don't like it - see ya. There is no room here for assholes or degenerates.

Disagreement and dissention is fine. Discussion is welcome. Trying to call out Mods and VETS with this attitude is not welcome. Respect IS earned - and you sir, have no respect for the people, here - so therefore, I think you are a useless jackass.

you are very immature and shallow. resorting to profanity because you dont know what you are talking about. I ask again, what is your experience? girl, dont go away mad , just go away. leave this for the vets and people that have experience with gear. Ever heard of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you?" you mam, are the one that appeared out of nowhere with a chip on youre shoulder and resorted to profanity when you were caught spreading b.s. I laugh at how you say "we". you are so smart and strong riding on the coattails of others, i stand alone, my logic and wit unmatched( "I Stand Alone" by GODSMACK blasting in the background). take your second grade knowledge elsewhere,you know nothing about gear. you are the rudest person on this site next to shadow. Go away.

 

[heavy_duty]

She's "THE MAN" round here partner she aint goin away.

 

[heavy_duty]

How did this reply from DG contribute to the original question in a positive manner?

(no need to answer!!!)

SSDD

Then why are you asking some basic questions?

You are asking dosage questions - if she already started and you are STILL asking basic questions - then no, we don't think this is well researched. Sorry.

Want to know if we think she will gain some muscle? How is the diet and training? Give us details on THOSE TWO things - then we can tell if what our thoughts are.

 

[palehorse51]

She's "THE MAN" round here partner she aint goin away.

yes, she is very manly. maybe she does know about androgens.
watch, now that they are beat, the thread will lock....its ok i alredy emailed elite fitness.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Nope - I will leave it open. No worries - my rep speaks for itself. You don't like me? No problems. I am not worried one tiny little bit.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

Bloody hell I was all excited cause we had a decent thread about steroids going in the womans forum now this will get locked all for what? There is great info on here please if have a personal issue with another posters post and there "tone" with you just take it to pm.

 

[palehorse51]

Nope - I will leave it open. No worries - my rep speaks for itself. You don't like me? No problems. I am not worried one tiny little bit.

Im not as immature as you to act like I know you personally enough to try and say "I dont like you." however, you are lacking in knowledge on this subject and are rude from the start. If you represent this forum in a official fashion, then you need to tighten up youre game and get professional, ASAP! lose the potty mouth too.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

How did this reply from DG contribute to the original question in a positive manner?

(no need to answer!!!)

SSDD

Why? Because diet and training are not relevant? Wrong.

Because it was MY OPINION things were not well-researched? I was not negative. he asked for opinions and input - I gave them. Don't like what I had to say? No problem. Don't listen to me. I still never called names, nor did I get angry. If you do not think I know anything, doesn't hurt my feelings one tiny bit.

As for use of profanity - I like it. Think that makes me stupid? Okay. *shrugs*

 

[heavy_duty]

amen sista

Bloody hell I was all excited cause we had a decent thread about steroids going in the womans forum now this will get locked all for what? There is great info on here please if have a personal issue with another posters post and there "tone" with you just take it to pm.

 

[palehorse51]

Bloody hell I was all excited cause we had a decent thread about steroids going in the womans forum now this will get locked all for what? There is great info on here please if have a personal issue with another posters post and there "tone" with you just take it to pm.

Yeah, im shocked and bummed too. I thought this could help alot of women, not just my wife. i hate this crap. i just come on here to enjoy talking to cool folks that might have experience with my question. any way to all those cool folks like you, thanks anyway!! i know if i owned this site and jerks who were ragin' were messing with my business i would clean house!

 

[superqt4u2nv]

There is only 1 guy allowed TO post in this forum and it aint you Palehorse now git goin!

ROTFLMFBAO

This is not true guys are welcome to post here. We did and still do have some active male posters besides but do not disregard or disrespect him he is very well versed in training, diet and frankly knows far more about woman and AAS then you seem to be giving him credit for. He does draw from some personal experince as he has helped train many ladies. Namely a natty our beautiful *Bunny* and now the lovely Shorty who is open about using. Now could we please get back to talking about steriods this thread had a great intent to talk about personal experience just got a little side tracked.

 

[palehorse51]

This is not true guys are welcome to post here. We did and still do have some active male posters besides but do not disregard or disrespect him he is very well versed in training, diet and frankly knows far more about woman and AAS then you seem to be giving him credit for. He does draw from some personal experince as he has helped train many ladies. Namely a natty our beautiful *Bunny* and now the lovely Shorty who is open about using. Now could we please get back to talking about steriods this thread had a great intent to talk about personal experience just got a little side tracked.

i dont want to go here again either: my wife knows the side risks and is moving forward!!!! Looks like var is the most recommended. I know the first cycle is the best as far as gains. she started primo, runnin 50 mg/ week. for 8 weeks. lookin at throwin 5 mg var a day?????

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Why does she want to stack for a first-timer?

I *really* think running ONE AAS at a time is best. What will happen if she gets undesireable sides? How will she know which compound or what dose is the culprit?

 

[superqt4u2nv]

i dont want to go here again either: my wife knows the side risks and is moving forward!!!! Looks like var is the most recommended. I know the first cycle is the best as far as gains. she started primo, runnin 50 mg/ week. for 8 weeks. lookin at throwin 5 mg var a day?????

First cycle it is best to do only one thing more is not better. Honestly woman make amazing gains running very little. I tend to run one thing at time first to see how it affects me on its own.
When I tried primo I was running it at 25mg a week and experienced sides. I didn't realize tell Shorty's post that is is often over doesed so could be running more then expected. I really wish her the best as I know how scarey it can be. I would error on the side of caution though and honestly bump her dose down if your going to stick with primo as AAS can build up in the system she may not experience sides until 4 weeks in.
One thing everyone wants here is for her to be safe and healthy to use all the tools avalible too her to make her gains. Diet is the #1 tool in bodybuilding it is trully key to her progress.

 

[palehorse51]

daisy girl Thanks for totally turning my wife off to this forum i really appreciate it. you still havent answered: what is youtr experience with supplements???

 

[palehorse51]

First cycle it is best to do only one thing more is not better. Honestly woman make amazing gains running very little. I tend to run one thing at time first to see how it affects me on its own.
When I tried primo I was running it at 25mg a week and experienced sides. I didn't realize tell Shorty's post that is is often over doesed so could be running more then expected. I really wish her the best as I know how scarey it can be. I would error on the side of caution though and honestly bump her dose down if your going to stick with primo as AAS can build up in the system she may not experience sides until 4 weeks in.
One thing everyone wants here is for her to be safe and healthy to use all the tools avalible too her to make her gains. Diet is the #1 tool in bodybuilding it is trully key to her progress.

right on good advice!!! might cut the primo altogether and go var 5mg up to 10/ day??? should go 1x day or 2.5 morning, 2.5 night??

 

[the-short-one]

daisy girl Thanks for totally turning my wife off to this forum i really appreciate it.

wo, now. this forum is a good forum. I wish we had more threads like this one, minus the hating, of course.

So - if there are people her who don't like other people here, use your "ignore" option in your profile section. add their EF handle to it and you won't be able to read their posts anymore. it's what I do when I can't take it anymore, lolol

 

[palehorse51]

wo, now. this forum is a good forum. I wish we had more threads like this one, minus the hating, of course.

So - if there are people her who don't like other people here, use your "ignore" option in your profile section. add their EF handle to it and you won't be able to read their posts anymore. it's what I do when I can't take it anymore, lolol

good advice!!! what u think of 2.5 morning, 2.5 mg night var. my wife likes how your legs look!!!! you 2 qt

 

[superqt4u2nv]

right on good advice!!! might cut the primo altogether and go var 5mg up to 10/ day??? should go 1x day or 2.5 morning, 2.5 night??

Smart I would cut the primo seriously I hate the stuff. LOL For var yes split it AM and PM go for 2.5 mg each I wouldn't bump up tell she stops making gains then bump it up.

 

[palehorse51]

Smart I would cut the primo seriously I hate the stuff. LOL For var yes split it AM and PM go for 2.5 mg each I wouldn't bump up tell she stops making gains then bump it up.

sound good!!

 

[the-short-one]

good advice!!! what u think of 2.5 morning, 2.5 mg night var. my wife likes how your legs look!!!!

tell her it's hugely genetic, so don't get her hopes up too high. lolol unless you're talking about the seperation between muscles in my legs. That's just low bf and a lot of work.

I'm 5'1, 150 lbs, 10-11 ish %.

 

[the-short-one]

Smart I would cut the primo seriously I hate the stuff. LOL For var yes split it AM and PM go for 2.5 mg each I wouldn't bump up tell she stops making gains then bump it up.

this is good advice.

I made excellent gains on just 5mg a day of var - it was my first cycle.

 

[palehorse51]

OH !!! almost forgot....nice to be able to get back to my questions. menstral cycle? shut down? go back after cycle? primo and var.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

daisy girl Thanks for totally turning my wife off to this forum i really appreciate it. you still havent answered: what is youtr experience with supplements???

Not really sure why *I* turned her off - but whatever. Her choice. *shrug*

Don't remember you specifically asking for my experience, although I do remember the negative assumptions and name-calling. Regardless.

As you asked ... In the past I have run Var (about 4 times, 2-3 different brands) ranging from 5mg up to 20mg, NPP once, Test Prop once.

LOVED Var - that stuff is awesome, but I do NOT recommend going as high as I did. I was just "testing" my upper limits. I really think 10mg is the max most women need. Only side I got was oily skin, mostly on face.

NPP - low dose, pretty short cycle. Was okay - but face broke out, and I do not break out easy. Decent gains, but overall pretty unremarkable.

Liked Test Prop overall. I ran *real* low dose, so had frequent tiny shots. Blech, that sicks. Gains were good - strength, sex drive. But got some icky pimples on my face (lower cheek) when on it. Went away as soon as I was off though.

Also tried T3 (hated it) and Clen (hated it).

Got some pics of me in the Pics of Members section - some were in the middle of a Var cycle.

 

[the-short-one]

OH !!! almost forgot....nice to be able to get back to my questions. menstral cycle? shut down? go back after cycle? primo and var.

it's possible. I'm surprised she's got her period now - with her bf so low.

spotting is possible or loss of period all together. Sassy would know more about this than me - I'm just going on my own personal experience. I haven't had a period since July - my BF dropped down low enough and it quit.

I don't miss it.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

I always lost my period on AAS. Came back with a VENEGENCE first month off though.

At 10%, it is suprising she still has her period - although everyone is different. How was her BF measured?

 

[palehorse51]

Not really sure why *I* turned her off - but whatever. Her choice. *shrug*

Don't remember you specifically asking for my experience, although I do remember the negative assumptions and name-calling. Regardless.

As you asked ... In the past I have run Var (about 4 times, 2-3 different brands) ranging from 5mg up to 20mg, NPP once, Test Prop once.

LOVED Var - that stuff is awesome, but I do NOT recommend going as high as I did. I was just "testing" my upper limits. I really think 10mg is the max most women need. Only side I got was oily skin, mostly on face.

NPP - low dose, pretty short cycle. Was okay - but face broke out, and I do not break out easy. Decent gains, but overall pretty unremarkable.

Liked Test Prop overall. I ran *real* low dose, so had frequent tiny shots. Blech, that sicks. Gains were good - strength, sex drive. But got some icky pimples on my face (lower cheek) when on it. Went away as soon as I was off though.

Also tried T3 (hated it) and Clen (hated it).

Got some pics of me in the Pics of Members section - some were in the middle of a Var cycle.

why did i have to go through hell to get here? hatchet buried. peace. thank you.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Not sure what your issue really is, as I was never negative nor did I resort to name calling. You seemed to jump down my throat and get all angry with me. Whatever.

 

[palehorse51]

it's possible. I'm surprised she's got her period now - with her bf so low.

spotting is possible or loss of period all together. Sassy would know more about this than me - I'm just going on my own personal experience. I haven't had a period since July - my BF dropped down low enough and it quit.

I don't miss it.

wife just said "thats why!!" because her period is 2 days long. good info!!!

 

[palehorse51]

I always lost my period on AAS. Came back with a VENEGENCE first month off though.

At 10%, it is suprising she still has her period - although everyone is different. How was her BF measured?

calipers.