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Prime example of why abortion is bullshit!
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chesty said:
The reason this is doubtful is due mainly to the fact that you dont hold yourself to your own rules.
No offense, Austin - I feel for you and your girl but for you to make the comment that a woman doesnt have a clue about what it means to have an abortion is incredibly insulting to many of us. Not all people react the same way to similar events.
Do you honestly believe that anyONE (male or female) thinks that it will be some sort of cake walk? Why do you think you are the only person that actually sits and thinks about the gravity of a situation and no one else is capable of intelligent thought?
Listen - life isn't easy and it isnt pretty. We all have our crosses to bear. I am truly sorry for the difficulty that life has handed you but how you perceive an event is not the same for me so though I feel your intentions are good, you must realize how insulting your comments are.
I am nearly 40 years old and have been through *this much* life. Do you honestly believe that were I faced with a decision like whether or not to have an abortion that I would need YOU (or anyone else) to tell me about the gravity of such a decision?
Come on.
Guess what? It would not affect me the same. I am older and have had several children. They are my primary concern. Any subsequent children would be given less consideration, especially were it a child that would not be wanted by me. Do I take measures to insure I will not be faced with such a decision? Yes, I do. However, that does not mean that it couldn't happen.
I have already had children that I have carried, birthed, nursed and raised primarily ripped from me so please dont tell me how damaging it would be for me to NOT HOLD a baby that will never be. I have already been damaged forever by the events of my life. An abortion would hardly make it worse. Especially if the pregnancy would be the result of a casual affair.
If it were with a man that I loved deeply (as in my exbf) it would be difficult, but guess what? I would get over it quick as I have children already that I brought here that need me as mentally and emotionally intact as much as possible. It is my responsibility to them that would keep me from being so affected... as it has been through the last near 5 years of hell.
Biology dictates that a child grows within the body of a woman. Like it or not (right or wrong) it is up to them alone to decide whether that child will be allowed to grow and actually come into this world.
If anyone has issue with that - they need to take it up with God.
A woman needs to be more prudent in whom she sleeps with as she can never truly walk away. A man can at any time, with this privilige rights are lost.
Biology dictates.
The only "good reason" I ever need for the desire to terminate a pregnancy is simple: I DONT WANT THAT BABY.... end of story.
Call me the devil. Say that I will rot in hell. It's all good. Unless you (and by this I mean anyone) are going to bear the burden of MY DECISION you can have an opinion - BUT YOU GET NO SAY.
the vast majority of people in general have no clue what they are getting themselves into. DOn't honestly tell me that women your age are the primary users of the abortion method. Its stupid teenage girls who got themselves in a jam and need a quick way out, like most young people they don't THINK!! I was stupid, we weighed the options but I regretted it like sin later and so did she. Unless your just an uncaring cold empty shell, don't tell me that you can have an abortion and not be affected by it afterwards. What I was getting at is all these people who harp about freedom of choice, or pro life, whichever have no idea what its like to actually go through it yet they all act like some kind of experts. Unless you have been through it, you have NO CLUE!! NONE!! Yes what I went through was only a fraction of what my girlfriend did, but I gaurantee I know more about the ramifications of an abortion then a woman that hasn't been through it. I live it everyday, and so does everyone else I know that has been through it. Don't lecture me on what you would do if its not been done
and Im sorry you had your kids ripped from you, but the differance is that one situation is a choice, you choose to terminate that baby, his blood and soul and all the could have beens are on YOUR HEAD and you have to live with that for the rest of your life. How is that the same as having your ex take away your children, he is at fault there, and at least they are alive and living rather then never even being given the chance
I'm pro choice in that I don't think its my right to tell people what to do with themselves, but Im also well aware of whats at stake and I really don';t think the majority of those that go in have any idea what it will do to them emotionally when they get a lil older and are able to better understand the gravity of it all.
and Im sorry you had your kids ripped from you, but the differance is that one situation is a choice, you choose to terminate that baby, his blood and soul and all the could have beens are on YOUR HEAD and you have to live with that for the rest of your life. How is that the same as having your ex take away your children, he is at fault there, and at least they are alive and living rather then never even being given the chance
I'm pro choice in that I don't think its my right to tell people what to do with themselves, but Im also well aware of whats at stake and I really don';t think the majority of those that go in have any idea what it will do to them emotionally when they get a lil older and are able to better understand the gravity of it all.
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Austin316 said:
Im 30 and have made the trip to the abortion clinic with women twice in my life. I was not a teenager and knew what I was getting into and under the circumstances it was the best choice for us. Its interesting to note both times I had to persuade them into going. Years later one of them even thanked me for talking her into it and recognized how her life would have *probably* been a lot worse than it is today. As for the other, Ive talked to her a few times but we never broached the subject, although I can guess that since she is now at a top university making good grades and has her life ahead of her I would like to think I played an integral hand in that also.
In alternate universes they didnt get abortions, and based on the situations and firsthand knowledge I have of their lives and of my own, I think I can say with great certainty it would have been a lot worse for all parties involved.
No regrets.
thats why I said majority and not all. It's also important to note Im not saying that at times its not the best option, its all situational but seriously for most people that go in there I don't think they know what they are getting into. Its important I think to go over everything in your head before it happens, and then make a decision, but so many people just do it casually, go in there and get it done the same day without any real support from family or the person who aided in making the baby to begin with. I don't buy the fact that someone can have an abortion and not be affected by it, yea it may have been the best choice, but I think it will always raise questions in the back of your head, I just try not to think about it and live my life, but when I do stop and think it hurts a lil bit.
but back to this case right here though, the fact is that bitch should have gotten the same punishment as her bf, they both were equally responsible
but back to this case right here though, the fact is that bitch should have gotten the same punishment as her bf, they both were equally responsible
chesty said:
But my comparison is that as a soldier you feel that war is just in some cases. However there are children out in Iraq who could not defend themselves against death just as there are in your words kids in a uterus that cannot defend themselves. I just find it incredulous that while a foetus is in utero it is seen as defenceless yet when there are gross losses of life happenening to delivered children round the world it isn't seen as the same
As for the hippocratic oath, the Dr has a sworn duty to his patient, the mother and has a duty of care to her to do no harm. This is the justification for the abortion act, whether in practise this means some abortions are done for convienience is up to the practicioner but there are clear medical stipulations in there as well.
But what would you do if someone did not want to have their child and you said they had too? Let them go for a back street abortion? or force them to carry to term? What if they refused, would you drip feed them? How would you deliver the baby if they refused to, would you C-section them against their will? All of this constitues battery...
Abortion is wrong. You can sugar coat it and put all sorts of anecdotes on it, but in the end it is ending a life that someone did not want for whatever reason.
Our society has become one of a disposable commodity. If I don't want it I get rid of it. Doesn't matter why I don't want it, I just don't.
If for example, abortion were to remain on the books, I would have the law rewritten to require all seeking one, male/female to watch a video showing in full graphic detail just exactly how the abortions are done. Whether first tri mester or partial birth. I would also require them to seek counseling so that they understand the ramifications and are fully aware of the alternatives. I would also require that the father be notified and given a say in the matter. Just because it is her body, does not mean the child is only hers. If the father is not known, then a reasonable effort must be used to locate the father.
If abortion law were to be overturned, then the woman should be required to carry to term. If she wants, give the child up for adoption with the father having first choice unless he waives his rights to the child.
If she seeks a back street abortion then she is tried for murder just like the male in the story initially starting this thread.
Our society has become one of a disposable commodity. If I don't want it I get rid of it. Doesn't matter why I don't want it, I just don't.
If for example, abortion were to remain on the books, I would have the law rewritten to require all seeking one, male/female to watch a video showing in full graphic detail just exactly how the abortions are done. Whether first tri mester or partial birth. I would also require them to seek counseling so that they understand the ramifications and are fully aware of the alternatives. I would also require that the father be notified and given a say in the matter. Just because it is her body, does not mean the child is only hers. If the father is not known, then a reasonable effort must be used to locate the father.
If abortion law were to be overturned, then the woman should be required to carry to term. If she wants, give the child up for adoption with the father having first choice unless he waives his rights to the child.
If she seeks a back street abortion then she is tried for murder just like the male in the story initially starting this thread.
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chesty said:
yes true , but a woman that knows shes pregnant, moves away without telling you comes back 2 years later with a baby and wanting a back payment, for almost 2 years worth of child suport. and telling you that you have a son, is ok and then you end up in debt, cause this bitch never told you about it , happend to my cusin. what gives her the right not to tell the father , then come back for lots of cash, and then says if you dont you go to jail ?? a topic that pisses me right off !
chesty said:
people who seek abortions already recieve councel over their choices, as for showing them a video, would you show people a slaughterhouse before they eat meat, or a video of what it looks like to be in a vegitative state before they sign living wills over whether to recussitate them or not? you think of any choice and presenting them with images they will find distasteful is not fair
you say a woman would be required to carry to term, how would you do this? You would try her for miurder if she tried to doi it herself, well what if she becomes so traumqatised by the pregnancy that she refuses to eat, or triesd to kill herself? what if she doesnt suscribe to your beliefs and is now having what she can and can;t do with her body dictated to by the state? Are you willing to restrain her until she does give birth? What if she refuses to participate in the delivery, this strikes me as being so impossible to undertake without violating the patient on multiple levels
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