Prime example of why abortion is bullshit!

[danielson]

???? A.O.K.....says who?

fair point, i didnt mean to tar everyone with the same brush but typically on this board those that are right wing in views had been able to tick most of the boxes on those points...I am always amazed that this kind of death is seen as acceptable and even celebrated yet a foetus which many can argue is not even sentient is fought over.

Those are not "reasons" but rather excuses...those kids should be given the same opportunites...having a birth-defect doesn't warrant a death-sentence.

Its all subjective to your opinion. A child with a rubella infection is likely to have visual and hearing impairment, cardiac problems and mental retardation. Downs will result in immunodeficiency (like HIV) mental retardation, cardiac problems. spinal bifida results in paralysis of functions below the lesion in the spine....

Its the reason maternal pregnancy testing exists, to check for these problems and try to treat and if not, offer abortion. Who will take care of a child if it is so handicapped? What if the parents simply cannot, due to medical problems of their own, work, social stigma or other reasons? Will this mean that the child is forced upon them, regardless of the consequences to the child?

What if its put into care, who fulfils the obligation to pay for its care? who will adopt any child like this or care for him/her? What if the mother ultimately feels that she will never want to have kids again if she has this one, and does want to have more. What quality of life will a child like that truly have, if it is born so severly developmentally delayed?

What if its an ectopic pregnancy? What if the mothers health is in risk if the pregnancy is allowed to contunue?

Its far to complicated an issue to have the government apply rulesforbidding women to choose what they want. Chesty's arguement that its a womens right is 'old' may be true but its the reasons abortions are legal and is a valid reason.

This said I have real qualms with abortion on a personal level just like anyone....if a foetus has developed a neural tube is there even a chance its concious? will we ever know? but I think what most women want is just the right for them to choose

 

[chesty]

I said I can look in the mirror cause the question was asked. God made woman to have children for her sins in causing Adam to fall from grace.

I don't have a uterus, thank God, your right I won't know what it is like to have a baby. But that lame ass argument doesn't mean that i am any less affected by the pregnancy.

I also do not support any children that were not aborted, but not wanted.

I differentiate abortion and war like this. War, both sides can defend and fight each other. Right or wrong. An unborn child cannot defend itself nor make its decisions.

so equating the war in Iraq or elsewhere to abortion is not a valid comparison. Holier than thou attitude? I don't. I dissagree vehemently with abortion, that doesn't make me righteous.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

Talk about a fucking double standard! The fucking bitch who got herself knocked up and admitted punching herself and doing everything she could to have a miscarriage asked her boyfriend to help her. He succeeded. During his testimoney and her statements to police she admitted punching herself while he was kicking her in the stomach. Impossibe to tell who caused the miscarriage.

So, the guy gets convicted of murder and automatic life in prison, the FUCKING BITCH GETS NOTHING CAUSE IT WAS HER RIGHT TO MURDER HER CHILDREN (OOOOPS, I MEAN ABORT THEIR LIFE)

AND, SHE COULD HAVE PAID A FUCKING DOCTOR WHO TOOK THE HYPOCRATIC OATH TO DO NO HARM TO MURDER (OOOPS, I MEAN ABORT) HER CHILDREN. HE WOULD GET LOADS OF CASH AND GET TO DO IT AGAIN WITHIN THE HOUR TO ANOTHER DUMBASS.

DOES ANYONE HERE SEE HOW FUCKED UP THE LAW IS. BITCH CAN MURDER AND IT IS OKAY. DOCTOR CAN BE PAID TO ASSASINATE A HELPLESS HUMAN BEING AND IT IS OKAY. THE FATHER OF THE CHILDREN WHO HELPS THE MOTHER OF THE CHILDREN MURDER THEIR KIDS GETS LIFE IN PRISON.

AND I REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT HEARING THE ARGUMENT: I AM WOMAN HEAR ME ROAR! IT IS MY RIGHT, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. DON'T GET YOUR ASS KNOCKED UP.

Then stop trying to bang us. It takes two to get pregant. If you could have a kid you would see why but you can't so STFU.

 

[Gambino]

Murder bothers my personally, the fact that our society has created a disposable human being called a fetus because it is a sterile term and the pro choice people don't want to take a chance that someone will wake up and realize they are talking about a human life, not a paraiste, nor a non human life and that irresponsibility and selfishness lead to murder for the sake of conveinence.

Anyway, arguing with pro lifers, especially women over the internet is like fishing without the fish being present.

LOL dude come on now...you are all about murdering. you were gonna storm over to Iraq and kill all in sight, a a one man crusade if I remember correctly... Christ even your smilie is about killing

If you claim to be such a religious person, you have quite a large moral contradiction with your views on murder.

 

[squatpuke]

Will this mean that the child is forced upon them, regardless of the consequences to the child?

What if its put into care, who fulfils the obligation to pay for its care? who will adopt any child like this or care for him/her? What if the mother ultimately feels that she will never want to have kids again if she has this one, and does want to have more. What quality of life will a child like that truly have, if it is born so severly developmentally delayed?

These are all conditions/questions that must be considered prior to unprotected sex....personally, I feel you must want children enough to take on the responsibilty for ANY problems they might have....one cannot (should not) abort children for convenience....what if the couple wanted a boy but got a girl? What if they wanted twins but only (God-forbide) got a single...your argument works both ways in both extremes. Quality of life is not based on financial or physical standards....(if it was I would the MOST unhappy/miserable person on earth )

What if its an ectopic pregnancy? What if the mothers health is in risk if the pregnancy is allowed to contunue?

IMHO, this would warrant termination...where I draw a VERY grey line is on the issue of rape.

 

[Bikini Mod]

I stated on the thread.

I HAVE NEVER HAD AN ABORTION.

But were I to become pregnant (many women do inspite of the fact that they use birth control) at this point in my life I may consider an abortion for many reasons, none of which I feel compelled to discuss in this forum.

Bottom line is this - how would any one else who posted on this thread be remotely affected by my decision to either give birth to or abort any child that I would become pregnant with?

 

[Bikini Mod]

I said I can look in the mirror cause the question was asked. God made woman to have children for her sins in causing Adam to fall from grace..

What are you, a fundamentalist now?

Silly man - the ability to carry a life inside you is NOT a punishment...

IT IS A PRIVILIGE ... one that men are not entitled to. Sucks ass, but it is true.

As I said - you will have to take it up with God.

I dissagree vehemently with abortion, that doesn't make me righteous.

No, comments like the ones quoted above make you self-righteous.

 

[Cutiebaby]

I stated on the thread.

I HAVE NEVER HAD AN ABORTION.

But were I to become pregnant (many women do inspite of the fact that they use birth control) at this point in my life I may consider an abortion for many reasons, none of which I feel compelled to discuss in this forum.

Bottom line is this - how would any one else who posted on this thread be remotely affected by my decision to either give birth to or abort any child that I would become pregnant with?

your opinions are your own...same as mine are my own...i was stating how i felt about all of this...i dont look down upon you for your opinion..or for the fact that you would potentially abort a child.....if you were to do it it is better to do it where the child recieves no harm...not like these kids...that all.....

 

[Bikini Mod]

There is no way to end a life without causing harm... You are taking a life.

I respect your opinions and your feelings. You made the best choices FOR YOU.

I have several daughters and though I make it my business to teach them the truth about sexuality, not only the mechanics of it all but the feelings, self-respect, etc they still may at some point (as I could for at least the next decade or so) conceive a child that they may not want to carry to term. It is for them that I want so desperately to protect THEIR RIGHT TO A SAFE CHOICE.

I know it sounds selfish - but I would rather protect the health of the children that I have already brought to this planet than to protect the "right to life" of a child that hasn't even been brought here.

As I said time and time again. If one is opposed to abortion that is their right. They should merely not have one and all is right in the world..... is it not?

 

[Razorguns]

As I said time and time again. If one is opposed to abortion that is their right. They should merely not have one and all is right in the world..... is it not?

True.

Abortion is right or wrong: these are opinions and everyone will have a different take on it. We'll never reach a global consensus.

However.

state CONTROL over a person's body *is* wrong. It is a greater wrong than abortion -- if you're against it.

Either we own or bodies or we don't. The state should have no right over what people can or cannot do with their bodies. That is the key element one must keep in mind in the abortion debate.