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Chesty - your arguements are backward and foolish.
Austin makes sense. I can understand what his motivations are and why he says the things that he says. And believe it or not Austin I know of MANY WOMEN about my age who have already had children and find themselves pregnant later in life and DO NOT WANT MORE. There are also many women who are NOT silly teenagers (though I wont disagree that most likely a high percentage of those who do have abortions do fit into that category) - the majority of women that I know who did have abortions (I know MANY) where mid twenties - some married - that simply did not want the child that they concieved. It would have seriously impacted their lives (both the life of the woman and the man) they felt, in a negative way. Not one of those women has the feelings of which you speak... NOT ONE.
Even I was surprized at this.
And my children were ripped from me due in part to direct lies told me by lawyers that I trusted and partially due to MY OWN CHOICE. My children will understand why I made the choices I made someday, but not until they are much older. Till then I will have to live with remorse no one will understand unless they were put in the situation. And due to the fucked up laws, sadly, I meet more and more women who did exactly what I did for the same reasons - because we thought it best for our children. And to some extent, because of it, I am just a mere shell of what I used to be.
Oddly enough Superdave presents an arguement that is contrary to what all the right to lifers state and in support of what prochoicers argue - THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHEN IT IS THE BEST CHOICE FOR THOSE PARTICULAR PEOPLE. And I am sure that for every pro-life story there is an equivalent amount (if not more) pro-choice story to support that person's point of view.
You go on and on about abortion as if it is something new.
NOT.
You ever hear of infanticide? Did you know that there are third world countries where abortions are actually part of a package deal with ultrasounds? Those people can not afford a particular gender of child, so if it is the wrong gender - ABORTION!
GUESS WHAT GENDER THAT WOULD BE?
Those women actually make the doctor show them the fetus after the abortion to PROVE that it was a female and NOT a male. So there goes your video idea. You are truly silly if you think some sort of video will keep someone who does not want to carry a child to term for WHATEVER REASON from having an abortion. If this line of thinking were accurate then all we need do to keep teenagers from having sex is to show them an actual video of what is TRULY LIKE to labor and deliver... and then make them watch reality TV about what it is TRULY LIKE once you get that baby home.
One would think that I would be up in arms about this preference in many parts of the world for masculine chidren.
I could care less.
What other people do does not affect me, much like the retarded case that you site as an example for why abortion is wrong to begin with. The case you sited does nothing of the sort. All it does is demonstrate how fucked up law is.
I can go on for days about how fucked up law is and how there is no justice. It would prove nothing.
Abortion/infanticide/infant abandonment has been around for as long as there was a man and a woman. Spare me the silly fundamentalist religious rhetoric. It is far too convenient to be able to pick and choose that way. Have you ever engaged in premarital sex? Then you dont get to use the fundamentalist arguement as you have already contradicted yourself.
At the end of all this dialogue I have only one final statement:
IF YOU FEEL ABORTION IS WRONG - DONT HAVE ONE.
Austin makes sense. I can understand what his motivations are and why he says the things that he says. And believe it or not Austin I know of MANY WOMEN about my age who have already had children and find themselves pregnant later in life and DO NOT WANT MORE. There are also many women who are NOT silly teenagers (though I wont disagree that most likely a high percentage of those who do have abortions do fit into that category) - the majority of women that I know who did have abortions (I know MANY) where mid twenties - some married - that simply did not want the child that they concieved. It would have seriously impacted their lives (both the life of the woman and the man) they felt, in a negative way. Not one of those women has the feelings of which you speak... NOT ONE.
Even I was surprized at this.
And my children were ripped from me due in part to direct lies told me by lawyers that I trusted and partially due to MY OWN CHOICE. My children will understand why I made the choices I made someday, but not until they are much older. Till then I will have to live with remorse no one will understand unless they were put in the situation. And due to the fucked up laws, sadly, I meet more and more women who did exactly what I did for the same reasons - because we thought it best for our children. And to some extent, because of it, I am just a mere shell of what I used to be.
Oddly enough Superdave presents an arguement that is contrary to what all the right to lifers state and in support of what prochoicers argue - THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHEN IT IS THE BEST CHOICE FOR THOSE PARTICULAR PEOPLE. And I am sure that for every pro-life story there is an equivalent amount (if not more) pro-choice story to support that person's point of view.
You go on and on about abortion as if it is something new.
NOT.
You ever hear of infanticide? Did you know that there are third world countries where abortions are actually part of a package deal with ultrasounds? Those people can not afford a particular gender of child, so if it is the wrong gender - ABORTION!
GUESS WHAT GENDER THAT WOULD BE?
Those women actually make the doctor show them the fetus after the abortion to PROVE that it was a female and NOT a male. So there goes your video idea. You are truly silly if you think some sort of video will keep someone who does not want to carry a child to term for WHATEVER REASON from having an abortion. If this line of thinking were accurate then all we need do to keep teenagers from having sex is to show them an actual video of what is TRULY LIKE to labor and deliver... and then make them watch reality TV about what it is TRULY LIKE once you get that baby home.
One would think that I would be up in arms about this preference in many parts of the world for masculine chidren.
I could care less.
What other people do does not affect me, much like the retarded case that you site as an example for why abortion is wrong to begin with. The case you sited does nothing of the sort. All it does is demonstrate how fucked up law is.
I can go on for days about how fucked up law is and how there is no justice. It would prove nothing.
Abortion/infanticide/infant abandonment has been around for as long as there was a man and a woman. Spare me the silly fundamentalist religious rhetoric. It is far too convenient to be able to pick and choose that way. Have you ever engaged in premarital sex? Then you dont get to use the fundamentalist arguement as you have already contradicted yourself.
At the end of all this dialogue I have only one final statement:
IF YOU FEEL ABORTION IS WRONG - DONT HAVE ONE.
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