Prime example of why abortion is bullshit!

[danielson]

If only this level of concern was applied to the people once they had made it out of the uterus in one piece. 'Murdering' a foetus is supposedly nazi like, but bombing the shit out of some goat herders, forcing OAP's to buy medications from more expensive pharacists, setting up tinpot dictators then sending the countries into debt+poverty and supplying psycho's with bio-warfare is A.O.K

I find it incredible that people equate abortion with murder when there are real medical and psychological reasons for it...what happens to all the kids with downs and rubella related defects?

 

[Bikini Mod]

Abortion is wrong not matter what you say or the people that are for abortion. Those people are going to have to stand before GOD one day and answer for there wrong doings. Plain and simple. You make a good point about we are having to take care of other people's unwanted children, but that's not a reason to kill them before they are even born. That's not the unborn childs fault that there parents or parent is a sorry piece of shit.

Religious rhetoric aside -

HOW MANY OF THESE CHILDREN HAVE YOU CLAIMED RESPONSIBILTY FOR?




What you do with your children is solely a matter of YOUR responsibility and does NOT earn you a seat in heaven but only allows you to experience the privilige of fatherhood. What you do with the rest of your time - YOU will reap the benefit of and is irrelevant to the topic at hand.



Squatpuke - sorry you had to go through that. But there are worse things in life.



And for all of you who think that I dont value the PRIVILIGE of motherhood - you havent clue one who you are talking to.

I fully realize THE PRIVILIGE I was granted with the ability to concieve, carry (took me over 13 months just to concieve my first) and subsequently mother as it has been challenged in ways that (I hope) none of you will ever realize. And for those of you who DO realize because you have gone through it - my heart goes out to you.

I am not talking about ME.... Just as YOU shouldnt be talking about YOU.





WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE HERE.





Not one person (male or female) has answered me the question - how is the fact that there are times that OTHER PEOPLE decide to NOT bring their children to this planet affect you? How many of THESE CHILDREN have YOU PERSONALLY taken responsibility for?

 

[Bikini Mod]

If only this level of concern was applied to the people once they had made it out of the uterus in one piece. 'Murdering' a foetus is supposedly nazi like, but bombing the shit out of some goat herders, forcing OAP's to buy medications from more expensive pharacists, setting up tinpot dictators then sending the countries into debt+poverty and supplying psycho's with bio-warfare is A.O.K

I find it incredible that people equate abortion with murder when there are real medical and psychological reasons for it...what happens to all the kids with downs and rubella related defects?

The Lord will provide.

 

[squatpuke]

Bee-dub....I see that you're a mother....congrats....doesn't get any better than that does it?

You don't have to answer (plead the fifth if you want), but have you ever had an abortion? If so, do you think your difficulties may have been caused by it?

(PM me if you want)....

sp

 

[squatpuke]

Not one person (male or female) has answered me the question - how is the fact that there are times that OTHER PEOPLE decide to NOT bring their children to this planet affect you? How many of THESE CHILDREN have YOU PERSONALLY taken responsibility for?

I can try to answer, although it will be considered religious crap...

I believe that God smiles down on every little child, fetus or newborn and delights in the fact that a new soul is about to partake in His wonderful plan....likewise, I think it it breaks His heart to see the needless killing of these children. If His heart breaks, so does mine....simply because of the relationship that I have with Him....

For the second part, I can positively say ZERO, as I have never adopted, however I know many that have...

 

[bluepeter]

If only this level of concern was applied to the people once they had made it out of the uterus in one piece. 'Murdering' a foetus is supposedly nazi like, but bombing the shit out of some goat herders, forcing OAP's to buy medications from more expensive pharacists, setting up tinpot dictators then sending the countries into debt+poverty and supplying psycho's with bio-warfare is A.O.K

I find it incredible that people equate abortion with murder when there are real medical and psychological reasons for it...what happens to all the kids with downs and rubella related defects?

Excellent post. The holier than thou attitudes of all the MEN on this thread make me laugh.

 

[squatpuke]

If only this level of concern was applied to the people once they had made it out of the uterus in one piece. 'Murdering' a foetus is supposedly nazi like, but bombing the shit out of some goat herders, forcing OAP's to buy medications from more expensive pharacists, setting up tinpot dictators then sending the countries into debt+poverty and supplying psycho's with bio-warfare is A.O.K

???? A.O.K.....says who?

I find it incredible that people equate abortion with murder when there are real medical and psychological reasons for it...what happens to all the kids with downs and rubella related defects?

Those are not "reasons" but rather excuses...those kids should be given the same opportunites...having a birth-defect doesn't warrant a death-sentence.

Excellent post. The holier than thou attitudes of all the MEN on this thread make me laugh.

.....Please explain "holier than thou" attitude? You sound like your feeling a little guilty....

 

[bluepeter]

???? A.O.K.....says who?

Those are not "reasons" but rather excuses...those kids should be given the same opportunites...having a birth-defect doesn't warrant a death-sentence.


.....Please explain "holier than thou" attitude? You sound like your feeling a little guilty....

Were you against the Iraq war? Did you vote for George Bush? Do you have any foster children in Africa?

Danielson makes a number of excellent points. We have all these MEN on this thread condemning abortion as murder that do not blink an eye at the 100000 civilian dead in Iraq. Or the tragedy that is Darfur.

A holier than thou attitude was my nice terminology for hypocrisy.

 

[squatpuke]

Were you against the Iraq war? Did you vote for George Bush? Do you have any foster children in Africa?

Danielson makes a number of excellent points. We have all these MEN on this thread condemning abortion as murder that do not blink an eye at the 100000 civilian dead in Iraq. Or the tragedy that is Darfur.

A holier than thou attitude was my nice terminology for hypocrisy.

Hey Peace bro....don't want to make enemies here.

I am against the war in Iraq....I did vote for Bush....no foster childern in Africa...

I think we're all hypocrites, regardless of race, religion, or creed.....

I respect both yours and Danielson's POV and hold no ill-will for anyone with different values than my own....however, I feel totally justified in condeming abortion (especially as part of my spiritual beliefs), just like you feel totally justifed likewise. I doubt (know) that we're not going to change each other's opinion, I only wanted to present my feelings on the matter.

I do sense that you're condemning me for condemning abortion....

 

[bluepeter]

Hey Peace bro....don't want to make enemies here.

I am against the war in Iraq....I did vote for Bush....no foster childern in Africa...

I think we're all hypocrites, regardless of race, religion, or creed.....

I respect both yours and Danielson's POV and hold no ill-will for anyone with different values than my own....however, I feel totally justified in condeming abortion (especially as part of my spiritual beliefs), just like you feel totally justifed likewise. I doubt (know) that we're not going to change each other's opinion, I only wanted to present my feelings on the matter.

I do sense that you're condemning me for condemning abortion....

Not condemning you, sorry for that impression. You have elucidated your argument much more intelligently than most on this thread. I have great respect for anyone who is against abortion, it is one subject I really struggle with.