Post Contest Cortisol/SHBG inhibition cycle

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well as far as i know the anabolic effects of GH come from the secondary IGF-1 production, so unless you are concerned with other health benefits or plan to use long term I dont see the point of GH. I agree with above poster, you are pointing out DBol as being anti-catabolic, well it's AAS of course it is anti-catabolic, this is how all AAS work, however you are just shutting down your HPTA and wasting the small period of time you spent on PCT being catabolic.

Run something that doesn't interfere with the HPTA like GH/Slin/IGF if you REALLY need to keep your size during PCT but running anymore AAS is pointless as you mention that the reason you don't "stay on" is to maintain the HPTA, what you are doing is absolutely counter-productive to these goals. I think you need to accept that you will lose "some" size, but if that's only 5 pounds of muscle then all in all it's not bad, there absolutely have to be compromises and you should accept that especially at your advanced level.

Honestly I think if you had just started the GH or IGF or Slin right at the beginning of PCT you could have skipped all this complexity and kept most of your size while restoring your HPTA in the "background" and letting cortisol get back to normal.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I appreciate the looking out.

The real problem I suppose most of us run into as soon as we get past certain genetic set points is having the proper amounts of circulatory anabolic hormones and nutrients available to maintain a supraphysiological amount of muscle mass

I have learned that off of all gear for an extended period of time i tend to normalize at about 240-255 at 10-12% BF

I know in order to be competitive at my height I need to be much bigger than this in shape.


I have been working on checking my blood work doing some minor bridging to keep my androgen profiles dominant without excessive estrogenic build up and relatively normal HPTA function.

I find if I do something like

200 mg Primo Day 1 with 50 mg test prop

and then 500 iu HCG days 8-22


then repeat this my HPTA really does not suffer and I am able to keep very good size and high androgenic levels for up to about 12 weeks before my body starts to become non-reactive


So my plan was to wait for my blood work and then bridge for up to 8 weeks if I need to(monitoring my blood work monthly) before I begin the cycle I outlined


we will see!!




also Nelson I respect your knowledge bro. What parts of the cycle are you confused about? If you dont mind me asking? I take all critisim as constructive

I'm confused as to how you say your levels are good when you're on drugs to improve them. That's like saying, my broken leg must be healed because I took some morphine and it feels fine now.

You're relying on the drugs to stabilize levels. That does not mean your body has recovered. It means you need exogenous assistance, or in other words, you're dependent on certain medications to avoid serious complications.

Do you seriously think these things are helping in the long run?

Not trying to be a dick bro but your logic is a little out in left field.

But again, I understand you need to do this to compete. But accept the price you'll be paying. Chances are your HPTA will never be at an acceptable functioning level again.

 

[Wulfgar]

Well it really comes down to the root problem all bodybuilders come to

How do you avoid taking 3 steps forward and 2.5 steps back by doing long total off periods?


It is paradoxical to think one can maintain supraphysiological levels of muscle mass without supraphysiological levels of of anabolic hormones and/or lower than normal levels of catabolic hormones(cortisol/glucagon/estrogen)


I did actually run GH/T3 during my PCT which allowed for me to actually add some quality muscle due to the massive influx in carbs and calories from my post cycle food binge. lol

In my experience(and with blood work to verify it). short cycles of AAS seem to shut down my endogenous test production much much less than long cycles. This was my rationale for running the 22 days of suppressive AAS use to start the cycle.


Anyhow remember guys. My goal is not to destroy my body here but to shut it down as little as possible while still pushing to gain. that being said I hav been off everything for almost 2 weeks now and Ill get my blood drawn at this point(today actually)

Ill post results