i have some really good pics...i have no idea how to put them on the board....i have a buddy who is a GURU with computers so i promise i will have something for you shortly....i placed 4th out of 7 in the heavy weight novice.....i got so fucked....i came in so much harder and more shredded than anyone in my class....the gear helped, but i owe a lot to my diet of 18 agonizing weeks...there were some guys who had a little size over me, but noone came in in as good of shape as me...even people who didn't know me from a whole in the wall were talking about how i got screwed....do me a favor....remember this post and i will have some pics on this board that i am sure will impress you....that is a fact....a lot of guys post pics and they really don't know what the fuck they are doing, besides jacking themselves with some test....as far as diet and proper training, they have a ways to go, but for some reason people like to blow smoke up their ass and tell them they look great....remember, don't forget this post and i will get you some pics that will show you what proper gear use, proper diet and proper training can really do for you...