PA1AD or Par Deus question on inj. 4ad and 19nordiol

[Par Deus]

1-test is naturally occuring why is that diffrent? also ghb's analogs arent illegal

If they are naturally ocurring, and were never prescription or scheduled drugs, then they are covered by the DSHEA.

GHB analogues ARE illegal. Actually, here in California, things like acetone (finger nail polish remover) and alpha-hydroxy (exfoliant in lotions) are technically illegal under the letter of the law.

 

[MIKERAZ]

I dunno PA said he believes fda wont allow the sale , it is a analog

 

[MIKERAZ]

5-androstendiol, 5-alpha ,`19norandro etc arent naturally occuring

 

[MIKERAZ]

There are androgens MUCH more potent than anything that was ever on the market. PA has specifically mentioned one that is like 1000 times as anabolic as test.

I find that hard to belive, It must be 17aa ,because there are no compounds that arent 17aa that are very potent

 

[Dio]

I find that hard to belive, It must be 17aa ,because there are no compounds that arent 17aa that are very potent

So I guess tren doesn't do anything then? Guess again.


There's probably still a side-effects to benefits ratio, but the compund PA mentioned is effective in microgram dosages (as opposed to milligrams)

 

[MIKERAZ]

I'm talking about AAS that were never marketed , and theone PA talked about was prolly 17aa because theres no compound beter then test that isnt 17aa

 

[Dio]

I'm talking about AAS that were never marketed , and theone PA talked about was prolly 17aa because theres no compound beter then test that isnt 17aa

That still doesn't make any sense. You originally said "potent" which would definately apply to tren, eq and deca.

If you're referring to compounds that were never marketed, then how would you know?

 

[MIKERAZ]

The whole point of this post was stating that the andros are weaker because they were reaserched as AAS and arent on the DEA'S list for a reason. And many more steroids were reaserched besides deca,eq , and its a common fact all these compoudns 1000 times more potent were all 17aa

 

[Dio]

The whole point of this post was stating that the andros are weaker because they were reaserched as AAS and arent on the DEA'S list for a reason. And many more steroids were reaserched besides deca,eq , and its a common fact all these compoudns 1000 times more potent were all 17aa

I don't see how it's a common fact. alpha alkalation changes bioavailability. While this would make a difference in actual effect it has less bearing on the potency of the compound.

As far as that first sentence goes:

(certain) andros are weaker because they are weaker; this has nothing to do with deas list.

All of these compounds were researched, otherwise we wouldn't know about them. Not all were pursued for commercial use - which appears to be a key distinction.

the other distinction is whether it's naturally occuring. If I took a dump now and found a compound more anabolic than test, there would be nothing illegal about me selling it to you.

Well, I'm sure I'd have to sanitiize it first

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

The whole point of this post was stating that the andros are weaker because they were reaserched as AAS and arent on the DEA'S list for a reason.

MikeRaz,

We all get your point I think, but it is clearly not a valid one. What is or is not on the DEA list in terms of steroids has absolutely nothing to do with potency. Scientists synthesized hundreds of steroids during the peak years of research. Only a small number made it to market. You are trying to make a case that the remaining hundreds of steroids were ignored because they were essentially useless, but that is simply not true. The Anabolic Steroid Control act included those steroids that were known by the lawmakers to be available, plain and simple. The laws were written by lawmakers, not chemists, which is why we are lucky enough to have a prohormone market today.

- Bill Llewellyn