Once you're in you're in for life

[Juice Authority]

Maybe it's a mindset fueled in part by the AAS community on these boards but I believe once you cross that line into the AAS zone there is no turning back. Workouts aren’t the same, intensity levels aren’t as high and gains made don’t come as quickly, which for many cause a lack of motivation when off.

In many respects it's like learning how to train all over again. I'm always more disciplined in the way eat and train when I'm on a cycle. When I'm off I'm not nearly as motivated to train hard. There is a certain sense of well being knowing I'm on the sauce. I can’t wait to get to the gym and push myself to the max. When I hit chest I expect to push more weight for more reps than I did the week before, same with legs, arms, etc. This is by no means a reflection of AAS users as a whole but this has been my personal experience on and off cycles. Any thoughts?

 

[The Terminator]

And hence the large amount of what could really be called, misuse

 

[jerkbox]

maybe....

some get pretty silly with it. I think using in moderation is great. i can definitely see that there may be some great health benefits...especially as i get older.....but it can't be abused.

i can see myself doing moderate cycles of test maybe primo, and using GH as i get older.

 

[mrflexdiesel]

Unfortunately, this sums me up to the tee also! Lately it's been more of a health thing for me though than just lack of motivation, but being on some sauce definitely makes one helluva difference!

 

[Mavy]

True. I am only going to run 1 cycle per year from now on, or 2 short cycles per year.

 

[Koivu_11]

I'm still too young to juice but when I'll finish my studies and will have more time to work out, I'll defenitely do a cycle once every two years until I get senile. I want to be in a great shape for my whole life.

 

[biogeared]

a 12 week bulker and an 8 week cutter a year for me.


i see what ur getting at ja. i normally feel like that until pct finishes up. then i feel nice and clean and normal after. of course the pump on creatine isn't the same as the pump from dbol, but its enough to satisfy me.

 

[nadr7891]

juice, you're a drug addict... and that's why i love you. takes one to know one.

Nadr

QUOTE=Juice Authority]Maybe it's a mindset fueled in part by the AAS community on these boards but I believe once you cross that line into the AAS zone there is no turning back. Workouts aren’t the same, intensity levels aren’t as high and gains made don’t come as quickly, which for many cause a lack of motivation when off.

In many respects it's like learning how to train all over again. I'm always more disciplined in the way eat and train when I'm on a cycle. When I'm off I'm not nearly as motivated to train hard. There is a certain sense of well being knowing I'm on the sauce. I can’t wait to get to the gym and push myself to the max. When I hit chest I expect to push more weight for more reps than I did the week before, same with legs, arms, etc. This is by no means a reflection of AAS users as a whole but this has been my personal experience on and off cycles. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]

 

[thelegacy again]

yea--there is no denying that juice gives you more intensity and such but i am finally coming to the point MENTALLY that i can train just as hard being off than i did when i was on.. trust me it takes time to adjust your mental state back to the time when you lifted naturally and thats all you knew but i am getting back to that point

 

[GoldenDelicious]

im not speaking tongue-in-cheek (for once) but JA, it would be a really good idea to really, honestly stop and reassess what you are doing.

you are describing addictive behaviour, especially in losing intensity/motivation while off.

i have nothing against juicing rationally and moderately, but your behaviour could be problematic. juice should be supplemental, not the basis of your training mentality

cheers mate

 

[Slyder190]

I hope not. I think I'll get out of the game at one point. 2 cycles a year, 12 week bulker, 12 week cutter.

 

[Dial_tone]

im not speaking tongue-in-cheek (for once) but JA, it would be a really good idea to really, honestly stop and reassess what you are doing.

you are describing addictive behaviour, especially in losing intensity/motivation while off.

i have nothing against juicing rationally and moderately, but your behaviour could be problematic. juice should be supplemental, not the basis of your training mentality

cheers mate

I do pretty well training naturally also. I don't expect gains to be the same but at the very least I expect to maintain size & strength, improve my cardio and improve all the internals.

 

[bowling ball nutz]

strength continues to climb when I am off, train exactly the same and with the same intesity, its all in your head, I am all natural now and bigger and leaner than I ever was while cycling, a perfected diet works wonders

 

[benard_80]

I see wher your coming from Juicer. Im not as motivated either in the weight room now that im off. But in the end I know I have to quit cycle sometime because i cant do it forever. I guess it really all is just a mind thing though.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

maybe....

some get pretty silly with it. I think using in moderation is great. i can definitely see that there may be some great health benefits...especially as i get older.....but it can't be abused.

i can see myself doing moderate cycles of test maybe primo, and using GH as i get older.

Agreed..

 

[guards]

I've been off for almost a year now and have had to teach myself new ways of training.

It's been a good learning experience for me because i had to rework my diet and training to achieve the same goals. Next time around I will be bigger, badder, better

 

[satchboogie]

not for me..

although your philosophy applies to my efedrine usage.

 

[Juice Authority]

im not speaking tongue-in-cheek (for once) but JA, it would be a really good idea to really, honestly stop and reassess what you are doing.

you are describing addictive behaviour, especially in losing intensity/motivation while off.

i have nothing against juicing rationally and moderately, but your behaviour could be problematic. juice should be supplemental, not the basis of your training mentality

cheers mate

Totally agree but like I said it affects different people different ways. I was speaking for me, not anyone else. Whether you have addictive behavior or not it's hard to maintain the same drive while your size and strength go down post cycle. Yes, it is supplemental and hardly the basis of training but there is a distinguishable difference while on and that is what is the physiologically defeating part of training off cycle.

 

[Ulter]

I think the people who find it difficult to go on and off and change their training accordingly have an addictive personality. I do. But I think the character of the individual is called into question when they can't get past that addictive personality. I quit cycling, alcohol, smoking, drugs, and all it took for me was deciding to just stop and making my mind up not do whatever I wanted to quit. No excuses.
Sure it's more fun to keep adding weight to the bar on AS but that goes away after a while. That while may be 3 months or 3 years, but it does go away. It's like building a sand castle. At some point you want to start over and build it again, maybe a different way. I have come off for as long as 4 years at a time and then started over.
At this point I am 40 pounds lighter than I was at my peak weight but that doesn't stop me from enjoying my training and cycling. I don't come off anymore but I go up and back down on my doses. So for me going up is a cycle. I think after many years you'll end up the same way.

 

[Juice Authority]

I think the people who find it difficult to go on and off and change their training accordingly have an addictive personality. I do. But I think the character of the individual is called into question when they can't get past that addictive personality. I quit cycling, alcohol, smoking, drugs, and all it took for me was deciding to just stop and making my mind up not do whatever I wanted to quit. No excuses.
Sure it's more fun to keep adding weight to the bar on AS but that goes away after a while. That while may be 3 months or 3 years, but it does go away. It's like building a sand castle. At some point you want to start over and build it again, maybe a different way. I have come off for as long as 4 years at a time and then started over.
At this point I am 40 pounds lighter than I was at my peak weight but that doesn't stop me from enjoying my training and cycling. I don't come off anymore but I go up and back down on my doses. So for me going up is a cycle. I think after many years you'll end up the same way.

I thought you've been "on" for the last 3 yrs or so. What do you think would happen if you stopped abruptly and went natural? How long do you think it would take for your T-levels to return to baseline? In all honesty, they may never bounce back.

 

[Ulter]

My current cycle started July 4 2000.
I have been cycling on and off for 20 years.
If I stopped the only worry I have is the joint pain that was so intense in my shoulders that for a couple years I couldn't put my coat on by myself. Hense, I use deca every week and the pain is gone.
I have been on cycles that were as long as 14 month in the past and come off with only 8 weeks of PCT. Note: In the early years we all just crashed for 6 weeks because we didn't know what PCT was.
So no, I wouldn't be worried about bringing my HPTA back online. Only my joint pain. It would take about 8-12 weeks to restore my natural test. If you are healthy in every other way coming back from an 18 month or a 2 month cycle is the same.

 

[GeneticFreak18]

My current cycle started July 4 2000.
I have been cycling on and off for 20 years.
If I stopped the only worry I have is the joint pain that was so intense in my shoulders that for a couple years I couldn't put my coat on by myself. Hense, I use deca every week and the pain is gone.
I have been on cycles that were as long as 14 month in the past and come off with only 8 weeks of PCT. Note: In the early years we all just crashed for 6 weeks because we didn't know what PCT was.
So no, I wouldn't be worried about bringing my HPTA back online. Only my joint pain. It would take about 8-12 weeks to restore my natural test. If you are healthy in every other way coming back from an 18 month or a 2 month cycle is the same.

i would hope you are a sick looking freak after that amount of steroid use. the thing that pisses me off is the people that abuse steroids and give people who "use" steroids a bad name. there is a fine line between using and abusing, your an abuser. you must have a pretty high paying job though to support your abuse so congrats on that.

 

[Ulter]

I don't think I am a sick looking freak but I think I look good and better than most. I don't think you're very familiar with steroid use or the advantages of it for a better quality of life or you wouldn't make such a post. It is the people like yourself that propagate myths about how bad steroid use it.

 

[Mavy]

Ulter; Do you really think that your test levels will bounce right back to normal after putting them through a rollercoaster ride for 20 years? I dont know, but I would say it would maybe be a bit of a struggle.

geneticfreak .. i do have to agree with Ulter though. I dont think that he gives steroid use a bad name, as he is very educated on usage .. he just has a longer usage history than most. I do think that kids juicing at 18 years old does give steroids a bad name though.

 

[Ulter]

Mavy, I have always bounced back and I have no reason to believe this time would be any different. I have not read any literature that ties length of use to time of recovery with exception of one paper where 3 bodybuilders were using over 2gr/wk for 3-4 years. Those guys took 12 months to recover.

 

[BigAndy69]

As long as rec drugs, alcohol and smoking are not part of the mix, there is no reason you can't stay on anabolics for a long time. Most of us live a fairly healthy lifestyle.

 

[Mandinka2]

I prefer training off gear , I train 3x as long on gear and I really don't like to spend so long inside the gym. The extra size and strength is great but I prefer to give everything on 2-3 sets for one bodypart (often pre-exhaust used). Just my personality.

 

[GeneticFreak18]

geneticfreak .. i do have to agree with Ulter though. I dont think that he gives steroid use a bad name, as he is very educated on usage .. he just has a longer usage history than most. I do think that kids juicing at 18 years old does give steroids a bad name though.

okay so it makes more sense for someone who has no intention of bodybuilding to use ridiculous amounts of juice for "the common good". but for someone who is bodybuilder, who uses very moderate dosages gives steroids a bad name?

 

[OMEGA]

I look at it as a last minute brush up

I am an endo and pretty big already ( with develped muscle btw)

then I will just hit it for 8 weeks and get really cut, I do this after training balls out for about 8-12 weeks then hit it for 8 more weekd to break though then give my slef another 8 weeks to consolidate gains and maybe start again that incudes the preliminary 12 weeks of balls out trainign naturally

 

[Juice Authority]

okay so it makes more sense for someone who has no intention of bodybuilding to use ridiculous amounts of juice for "the common good". but for someone who is bodybuilder, who uses very moderate dosages gives steroids a bad name?

Did ulter every say that he was using ridiculous amounts of gear? If anything I believe he said the he is moderate to low dose gear user over a much longer period of time.

 

[Ulter]

Did ulter every say that he was using ridiculous amounts of gear?

THAT was the question he didn't ask. And that was how I knew he was uninformed. There are 100's of thousands of men who take test every day to improve their quality of life and like me they get their test with a prescription from a doctor, granted the script is a little higher than some docs would give but so what. No one would ever call us moderate dose, HRT patients, abusers. Unless they didn't know better.

 

[Juice Authority]

THAT was the question he didn't ask. And that was how I knew he was uninformed. There are 100's of thousands of men who take test every day to improve their quality of life and like me they get their test with a prescription from a doctor, granted the script is a little higher than some docs would give but so what. No one would ever call us moderate dose, HRT patients, abusers. Unless they didn't know better.

Ignore him. He's an idiot. To your point though..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1056443.stm

Call for men to get HRT

Depression can be a symptom of the andropause

Middle-aged men should receive hormone therapy to treat the andropause - the male equivalent of the menopause, say doctors. The Andropause Society has been formed to raise awareness of the problem amongst doctors and their patients.

But there is debate amongst the medical profession over whether the male menopause actually exists.

Dr Malcolm Carruthers, chairman of the Andropause Society, said the condition should be recognised and treated and said it was "grossly unfair" that men were discriminated against.

The society, which already has around 100 members around the world, is launching with a conference in London on Wednesday.

Equal treatment

Dr Carruthers is campaigning for men to be treated in the same way as a woman going through the menopause would be.

"Female hormone replacement therapy (HRT) is well established and women get lots of care and attention,

"Men get told that it's just their age, or that they are depressed."

The male menopause is said to affect men between their 30s and 50s, and to include the same symptoms as the female version - night sweats, lack of energy, irritability and loss of libido.

It can affect their marriage and their job.

Male HRT is available, but not many doctors prescribe it.

It can happen to the most masculine of men. There's nothing wimpish about it

Dr Malcolm Carruthers
The Andropause Society

A Harley Street specialist in men's health, Dr Carruthers estimates the andropause affects around 50% of men in their fifties.

He tests possible suffers to check testosterone levels and gives them hormone replacement therapy if levels are low.

He said since women can access HRT, men should be able to as well.

"What's hormonal sauce for the goose should be hormonal sauce for the gander," he said.

Men are notoriously bad at accepting they have a health problem, and Dr Carruthers said that is partly why the andropause is not more widely recognised.

"It can happen to the most masculine of men. There's nothing wimpish about it."

Dr Carruthers added: "We have got an ageing male population and it important to treat these symptoms and keep them in good condition physically and mentally."

Personal crisis

Dr Ian Banks, chairman of the Men's Health Forum, said he was not convinced there was such a thing as a male menopause.

"There are an awful lot of reasons why men feel the way they do when they reach middle age."

He said the age coincided with when women were going through the menopause.

"It's about that time when men are going through their personal crisis," he said.

"There are a number of reasons why they feel the way they do. To blame it all on the effect of the level of testosterone is a bit simplistic."

But he said there was evidence some men did need testosterone therapy.

"In cases where there is a demonstrable lack, individuals should be replaced with testosterone."

 

[GeneticFreak18]

Did ulter every say that he was using ridiculous amounts of gear? If anything I believe he said the he is moderate to low dose gear user over a much longer period of time.

either way he's been on for 4 years straight for no reason at all

 

[Juice Authority]

either way he's been on for 4 years straight for no reason at all

Quit while you're behind and read the above posts.

 

[GeneticFreak18]

either way he's been on for 4 years straight for no reason at all

...which makes him a steroid abuser

 

[Juice Authority]

...which makes him a steroid abuser

Really, and how is that? Here's some more information posted by ulter on another tread for you to ponder before you spout anymore BS out of the side of your neck...

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=311529

 

[JuicePimp]

either way he's been on for 4 years straight for no reason at all

Who do you think you are that gives you the right to judge Ulter's reasons for being "on" for a long time. As Ulter has learned over the years, he doenst need to justify himself to eveyone out there on the net. He explained some of his reasons, including the dehabilitating shoulder pain, which you dismissed out of hand. And the reasons he listed aren't his only ones. Ulter didn't tell you very much of anything about himself here or even his goals. To label him an "abuser" because he is not a "sick looking freak" is wrong. In fact, wouldnt it seem more likely that its the "sick looking freaks" out there that are taking gear to the level that would more commonly be classified as "abuse"?

Many men out there are on HRT and will be for the rest of their lives. Are they abusers because there "cycle" has no end? No. As far as Ulter giving steroid use a bad name, I think that if he was allowed to speak and be heard he is one who could give them a good name.

~JP~

 

[Dial_tone]

either way he's been on for 4 years straight for no reason at all

I guess you missed the part about his constant joint pain and the fact that he's in his 40's and a prime candidate for HRT anyway. I don't have a problem with somebody in their 40's staying on year-round because they're usually at that point in life where they realize large doses are a losing game. It's the idiots in their 20's staying on year-round that bother me.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I guess you missed the part about his constant joint pain and the fact that he's in his 40's and a prime candidate for HRT anyway. I don't have a problem with somebody in their 40's staying on year-round because they're usually at that point in life where they realize large doses are a losing game. It's the idiots in their 20's staying on year-round that bother me.

I just started HRT last July. I had the test levels of a woman. And until I started HRT, I had never touched any steroids at all. Growing old and end organ failure sucks!

My whole reason for participating on this board and gleaning as much as I can from the knowledgeable people on here is that I will be on HRT doses the rest of my life. Given that I have to do that anyway, I don't see a reason not to take advantage of additional supplementation in the form of a cycle to improve my overall phsique and well being.

 

[Optimus B]

when i read the title, i pictured JA giving the "4 life" gesture a la NWO.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

THAT was the question he didn't ask. And that was how I knew he was uninformed. There are 100's of thousands of men who take test every day to improve their quality of life and like me they get their test with a prescription from a doctor, granted the script is a little higher than some docs would give but so what. No one would ever call us moderate dose, HRT patients, abusers. Unless they didn't know better.

I would be interested in picking your brain for more information as I now find myself on HRT for the rest of my life. Although, I'd prefer our discussion not be on a public forum...

 

[dr0832]

I don't know if I can agree with you juice authority. I do agree with ulter about addictive personality's. Obviously if somethings physically addicting then theres no turning back without a bunch of problems, but since aas aren't physically addictive it doesn't seem like it has to be a life long thing. I haven't tried the juice yet, but I plan to and I am 100% sure that I will never do more then 1 cycle, because I am a paranoid person and I believe that prolonged use of most stuff causes adverse effects later in life whether it be cancer, heart disease or a number of other things. This is just my personal opinion. It is the same reason why I have tryed a bunch of illegal substances like exctasy, among others, but only once despite how much I really enjoyed doing them. I just feel I have enough discipline to control what I do, but maybe I am wrong. I guess I'll find out sometime in the future.

 

[Ulter]

I would be interested in picking your brain for more information as I now find myself on HRT for the rest of my life. Although, I'd prefer our discussion not be on a public forum...

My email address is [email protected]

 

[Juice Authority]

I don't know if I can agree with you juice authority. I do agree with ulter about addictive personality's. Obviously if somethings physically addicting then theres no turning back without a bunch of problems, but since aas aren't physically addictive it doesn't seem like it has to be a life long thing. I haven't tried the juice yet, but I plan to and I am 100% sure that I will never do more then 1 cycle, because I am a paranoid person and I believe that prolonged use of most stuff causes adverse effects later in life whether it be cancer, heart disease or a number of other things. This is just my personal opinion. It is the same reason why I have tryed a bunch of illegal substances like exctasy, among others, but only once despite how much I really enjoyed doing them. I just feel I have enough discipline to control what I do, but maybe I am wrong. I guess I'll find out sometime in the future.

Your argument holds little very little merit. A drug doesn't have to be physically addictive to be addictive. Cocaine would the best example of that. They didn't think that was addictive either back in the early 80's.

 

[The Terminator]

I haven't tried the juice yet, but I plan to and I am 100% sure that I will never do more then 1 cycle, because I am a paranoid person and I believe that prolonged use of most stuff causes adverse effects later in life whether it be cancer, heart disease or a number of other things. This is just my personal opinion.

LOL, I'll be sure to regurgitate this reply a year from now

 

[Ulter]

I don't know if I can agree with you juice authority. I do agree with ulter about addictive personality's. Obviously if somethings physically addicting then theres no turning back without a bunch of problems, but since aas aren't physically addictive it doesn't seem like it has to be a life long thing. I haven't tried the juice yet, but I plan to and I am 100% sure that I will never do more then 1 cycle, because I am a paranoid person and I believe that prolonged use of most stuff causes adverse effects later in life whether it be cancer, heart disease or a number of other things. This is just my personal opinion. It is the same reason why I have tryed a bunch of illegal substances like exctasy, among others, but only once despite how much I really enjoyed doing them. I just feel I have enough discipline to control what I do, but maybe I am wrong. I guess I'll find out sometime in the future.

You might want to stop in at AnabolicFitness.com and read the consensus statements by vets and anabolic discussion board owners. They may help you decide if you're ready or not.
AS does not cause cancer or heart disease now or later in life. If it did all the bodybuilders of the 70's would be dropping like flies and they simply are not. If they were the government would be trotting out all the morbidity/mortality statistics, showing them to the media and using them to further their anti-steroid message. And keep in mind that 30 years ago they had crappy AS, (with all due respect to dbol let's face it the stuff is a 50 year old compound), and no anti-e's, no liver protection and no PCT whatsoever. When the government wanted to schedule steroids they held hearing to determine if they should. The FTC, FDA, Dept of Health and Human Services ALL testified AGAINST the scheduling of AS. But they did it anyways. When Washington wants to do something they do it even if their own agencies advise against it. So I am not at all surprised that the misinformation the government has spread over the last 14 years, and this year in particular, is showing up in posts on this board by people who don't know any better. I suggest you read the research first and make up your own mind. If you go to AnabolicFitness.com you should start in the Bjaarki Library with Shahidi's Review of the studies to that time about AS and it's sides.

 

[drveejay11]

You might want to stop in at AnabolicFitness.com and read the consensus statements by vets and anabolic discussion board owners. They may help you decide if you're ready or not.
AS does not cause cancer or heart disease now or later in life. If it did all the bodybuilders of the 70's would be dropping like flies and they simply are not. If they were the government would be trotting out all the morbidity/mortality statistics, showing them to the media and using them to further their anti-steroid message. And keep in mind that 30 years ago they had crappy AS, (with all due respect to dbol let's face it the stuff is a 50 year old compound), and no anti-e's, no liver protection and no PCT whatsoever. When the government wanted to schedule steroids they held hearing to determine if they should. The FTC, FDA, Dept of Health and Human Services ALL testified AGAINST the scheduling of AS. But they did it anyways. When Washington wants to do something they do it even if their own agencies advise against it. So I am not at all surprised that the misinformation the government has spread over the last 14 years, and this year in particular, is showing up in posts on this board by people who don't know any better. I suggest you read the research first and make up your own mind. If you go to AnabolicFitness.com you should start in the Bjaarki Library with Shahidi's Review of the studies to that time about AS and it's sides.

Good stuff

 

[concordsize]

The mecca of body building is in a syringe and THAT IS THAT! If you want to look the part you have to stick yourself manny manny times I know that and I hope the rest of you all know that. I have never had a problem with putting drugs down but with aas it is a way of life. When I dont have test running through me I feel weak small and about 1/4 the man i am while on my cycle.

So yes it is sad but until I run into health problems I am not going to be turning back.

E

 

[Mavy]

LOL, I'll be sure to regurgitate this reply a year from now

H ahahaha .,.. I think that we all said that at one time eh Term? I thought that when I did my first cycle. i'll just try it once for a little boost then go natural from the new level.

The thing is ... if you do a cycle, and everything worked out fine, and you recovered nicely, what is the problem with doing another? Again this is within reason. I dont advocate being on year round. But I dont really see much of a problem with 2 moderate cycles per year.

 

[GeneticFreak18]

Who do you think you are that gives you the right to judge Ulter's reasons for being "on" for a long time. As Ulter has learned over the years, he doenst need to justify himself to eveyone out there on the net. He explained some of his reasons, including the dehabilitating shoulder pain, which you dismissed out of hand. And the reasons he listed aren't his only ones. Ulter didn't tell you very much of anything about himself here or even his goals. To label him an "abuser" because he is not a "sick looking freak" is wrong. In fact, wouldnt it seem more likely that its the "sick looking freaks" out there that are taking gear to the level that would more commonly be classified as "abuse"?

Many men out there are on HRT and will be for the rest of their lives. Are they abusers because there "cycle" has no end? No. As far as Ulter giving steroid use a bad name, I think that if he was allowed to speak and be heard he is one who could give them a good name.

~JP~

so if i do cocaine for 4 years straight, just up and down on the doses...thats not drug abuse?

 

[strongsmartsexy]

so if i do cocaine for 4 years straight, just up and down on the doses...thats not drug abuse?

What about people who have to be on meds every day of their lives. Is that drug abuses? How about smokers?

Cycling steroids is bad, where plastic surgery is good?

 

[Ulter]

so if i do cocaine for 4 years straight, just up and down on the doses...thats not drug abuse?

That's a very uneducated and immature response.
Does your body produce cocaine? Do your brain, reproductive, immune, and muscle systems all depend on cocaine for you to survive? Did you know you would live a short miserable life without testosterone? Did you know you wouldn't have a penis or testicals without it? Is that what you think cocaine will do for you?
What on earth are you doing on an anabolic discussion board? You don't know the first thing about it and what you're writing is right out of high school. I suggest you hang out and read for a while because you're making yourself look foolish by posting these things.

 

[psychedout]

so if i do cocaine for 4 years straight, just up and down on the doses...thats not drug abuse?

If you can do cocaine for 4 years straight and have blood work that comes back okay, then no its not abuse. But that would never happen.

The thing is you CAN do AAS for 4 years straight and have bloodwork that comes back okay if you take the necesary precautions.

 

[The Terminator]

The thing is ... if you do a cycle, and everything worked out fine, and you recovered nicely, what is the problem with doing another? Again this is within reason. I dont advocate being on year round. But I dont really see much of a problem with 2 moderate cycles per year.

Neither do I ...
I think done responsibly and taking all proper precautions it will serve to extend ones life (certainly the QUALITY of it )

 

[Mavy]

so if i do cocaine for 4 years straight, just up and down on the doses...thats not drug abuse?

Dood you are comparing apples and oranges here. Cocaine is a central nervous system stimulant that interferes with the reabsorption process of dopamine, whiach is a chemical messenger ascociated with pleasure and movement. Completely different from aas! Please dont ever compare rec drugs like this to steroids. Different ballpark, different league.

Steroids actually DO provide some benefits to your body physically, whether you believe it or not. Unlike cocaine that does not have 1 benefit for your body. Not one!

Cocaine is a powerfully addictive drug of abuse bro! Once you start doing cocaine a good few times, you really cant predict or control the extent to which you may continue to use the drug. This is very different from the context JA is talking about here. Once again ... you take one foot out of your mouth ... and put the other right back in.

 

[GeneticFreak18]

its not like i'm putting down steroid use in anyway here. i just think its funny how abuser like to try to justify what they're doing.

 

[GeneticFreak18]

That's a very uneducated and immature response.
Does your body produce cocaine? Do your brain, reproductive, immune, and muscle systems all depend on cocaine for you to survive? Did you know you would live a short miserable life without testosterone? Did you know you wouldn't have a penis or testicals without it? Is that what you think cocaine will do for you?
What on earth are you doing on an anabolic discussion board? You don't know the first thing about it and what you're writing is right out of high school. I suggest you hang out and read for a while because you're making yourself look foolish by posting these things.

i've been here since 2001, just under a different name, i grew up on elite for christ sake

 

[GeneticFreak18]

hey ulter if you wanna stay on year round, cool. i just don't see why you would thats all my problem is. i'm not a hater i just don't see the point, i'd love to stay on year round as with everybody else who juices, but theres a point where you have take responsibilty for your health and get your priorities straight. if you have great health now, don't think you will 4 years from now.

 

[psychedout]

hey ulter if you wanna stay on year round, cool. i just don't see why you would thats all my problem is. i'm not a hater i just don't see the point, i'd love to stay on year round as with everybody else who juices, but theres a point where you have take responsibilty for your health and get your priorities straight. if you have great health now, don't think you will 4 years from now.

 

[Pakelika]

so if i do cocaine for 4 years straight, just up and down on the doses...thats not drug abuse?

I'm sorry but your making yourself look like an idiot. just move on to another post you tool

 

[Ulter]

i've been here since 2001, just under a different name, i grew up on elite for christ sake

Not on this board you didn't. 3 years on chat maybe.

 

[Juice Authority]

Not on this board you didn't. 3 years on chat maybe.

 

[Juice Authority]

so if i do cocaine for 4 years straight, just up and down on the doses...thats not drug abuse?

You take my example of how cocaine and aas are not physcially addictive and totally use it out of context. Like I said before quit while youre behind.

 

[psychedout]

You take my example of how cocaine and aas are not physcially addictive and totally use it out of context. Like I said before quit while youre behind.

LoL. Or apologize and at least acknowledge naiveness.

 

[10cc...]

nice

 

[Mavy]

i've been here since 2001, just under a different name, i grew up on elite for christ sake

You grew up here? You are only 18 yrs old now. We see that you have learned a lot while you were 15, 16, and 17 years old. Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt that like grade 9, 10 and 11?

I agree, let this die bro. Its a stupid argument.

 

[GeneticFreak18]

i'll quit just because i have respect for the people on this board, even though some i can't stand, i still gain knowledge from *cough-JA-cough* so i'm not going to sit and pretend i haven't learned something from them and talk shit to them. whether you respect my opinion or want to give me a hardtime, doesn't matter to me. i know where i stand, and its not just behind a computer screen planning my next 12 week dbol cycle. i do have knowledge, probably the most of any 18 year old. i just disagree with staying on year round.

 

[GeneticFreak18]

You grew up here? You are only 18 yrs old now. We see that you have learned a lot while you were 15, 16, and 17 years old. Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt that like grade 9, 10 and 11?
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thats correct actually i was 15 or 16, signed on as ~ThaGame~. if you don't think i've made progress check the first thread i ever made, its embarassing really...
i thought NO2 was an anabolic

 

[strongsmartsexy]

i'll quit just because i have respect for the people on this board, even though some i can't stand, i still gain knowledge from *cough-JA-cough* so i'm not going to sit and pretend i haven't learned something from them and talk shit to them. whether you respect my opinion or want to give me a hardtime, doesn't matter to me. i know where i stand, and its not just behind a computer screen planning my next 12 week dbol cycle. i do have knowledge, probably the most of any 18 year old. i just disagree with staying on year round.

I stay on AAS year round. I'm also in Andropause, which requires the use of TRT as treatment for hypogonadism. If I were to start a cycle, I'd merely be adding to the amount my body requires to keep me in a "normal" condition.

So, what exactly is wrong with that?

 

[GeneticFreak18]

I stay on AAS year round. I'm also in Andropause, which requires the use of TRT as treatment for hypogonadism. If I were to start a cycle, I'd merely be adding to the amount my body requires to keep me in a "normal" condition.

So, what exactly is wrong with that?

at what point did i say TRT was an abusive amount? i produce more test naturally than a normal TRT patience does

 

[strongsmartsexy]

at what point did i say TRT was an abusive amount? i produce more test naturally than a normal TRT patience does

The levels my TRT keeps me at is just over 300ish, which is "normal". Meaning that it is within the range of 300 - 1200. My doctor won't give me more to push my levels up, which is part of the reason I'm here. So, at what point in this progression up is it abusive? And if I should add a cycle, as Ulter had mentioned earlier? I would come off the cycle and still require being on the same level of TRT as I had before I began the cycle.

 

[guards]

i'll quit just because i have respect for the people on this board, even though some i can't stand, i still gain knowledge from *cough-JA-cough* so i'm not going to sit and pretend i haven't learned something from them and talk shit to them. whether you respect my opinion or want to give me a hardtime, doesn't matter to me. i know where i stand, and its not just behind a computer screen planning my next 12 week dbol cycle. i do have knowledge, probably the most of any 18 year old. i just disagree with staying on year round.

you MIGHT be a little out of your leage to be arguing with Ulter...just maybe.

 

[biogeared]

you MIGHT be a little out of your leage to be arguing with Ulter...just maybe.

 

[GeneticFreak18]

you MIGHT be a little out of your leage to be arguing with Ulter...just maybe.

hey i'm not out of anybody's league bro, check out the pics, if anything i'm in a league of my own. am i not in his league because i have one karma dot and 70 posts?

 

[Juice Authority]

hey i'm not out of anybody's league bro, check out the pics, if anything i'm in a league of my own. am i not in his league because i have one karma dot and 70 posts?

Wow

 

[biogeared]

hey i'm not out of anybody's league bro, check out the pics, if anything i'm in a league of my own. am i not in his league because i have one karma dot and 70 posts?

You may be in a league of your own for your age, but ulter is still light years ahead of you.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

you MIGHT be a little out of your leage to be arguing with Ulter...just maybe.

This needs to go in the "understatement of the year" award catagory.

 

[GeneticFreak18]

i'm going to leave this thread now, in your mind your always right. at least i learned who NOT to take advice from on this thread.
this is not directed towards everyone on this thread, just a couple wannabes who will, and have never made it in the game.

 

[Juice Authority]

i'm going to leave this thread now, in your mind your always right. at least i learned who NOT to take advice from on this thread.
this is not directed towards everyone on this thread, just a couple wannabes who will, and have never made it in the game.

Before you leave you might want to re-read some of your posts under your old user name ~ThaGame~. In this thread you were in favor of some teenager using 1gm for his first cycle at the age of 19!!! Kindly take note of some of the responses to your comment on that thread.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=250402&page=3&pp=20&highlight=~ThaGame~

Here's what you said and now you're calling ulter a "steroid abuser" because of what exactly???

i don't see 1g being TOO much for the first cycle to be honest. i mean as long as he doesn't exceed 1g for his next cycle there is really no point in hassling him over it.
half the people posting on this are probably just thinking "man, this kid is gonna be so much bigger than me, i only had enough to do 250mg"
eat right, sleep right, train right
just don't exceed 1g and i think it'll be no big deal

Let me see if I understand your reasoning correctly. You feel ulter is a "steroid abuser" b/c he uses low to moderate dosages over an extended period of time for medical reasons yet it's perfectly sensible in your mind for some newbie teenager to use a 1gm in his first cycle??? Now how can one argue with logic like that? LOL!

 

[biogeared]

Before you leave you might want to re-read some of your posts under your old user name ~ThaGame~. In this thread you were in favor of some teenager using 1gm for his first cycle at the age of 19!!! Kindly take note of some of the responses to your comment on that thread.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=250402&page=3&pp=20&highlight=~ThaGame~

Here's what you said and now you're calling ulter a "steroid abuser" because of what exactly???




Let me see if I understand your reasoning correctly. You feel ulter is a "steroid abuser" b/c he uses low to moderate dosages over an extended period of time for medical reasons yet it's perfectly sensible in your mind for some newbie teenager to use a 1gm in his first cycle??? Now how can one argue with logic like that? LOL!

Pwned!

 

[guards]

I would like to share with everyone the email that i received from geneticfreak18. I gave him red karma for his antics on this thread and then received this peice of garbage via PM:


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yeah your a mod, did i say something that i shouldn't have to the almighty moderator?

i'm here to gain knowledge, more than i already know. do i have to agree with everything you say and not be able to state my opinion? what, are you going to ban me for saying i'm not out of anybodies league? you insulted me bro, don't think b/c you have a mod position i'm going to kiss your ass. this is a internet steroid discussion board, they're are millions of these and your one in 100,000 mods. don't let your head get too big.

i never had a problem with you anyway, i remember you from the past.



Now, I like to think I am pretty chill on this board. I rarely make waves and I rarely stick my 2 cents without warrante.

BUT THIS SHIT HAS REALLY MADE ME MAD.

I didn't say you were out of your league because of your post count or your karma you fucking moose testicle....I said you were out of your league because you were arguing with A) Someone who is EXTREMELY respected on this site and B) because you are a GODDAMN CHILD, as your PM has exemplified.

Grow up! And fucking get over yourself. You obviously have something to prove and I would suggest attempt to prove it somewhere else.

 

[psychedout]

Whether it be post editing or retaliation, guards commits mass ownage wherever he goes.

Good job guards!

 

[guards]

i'm going to leave this thread now, in your mind your always right. at least i learned who NOT to take advice from on this thread.
this is not directed towards everyone on this thread, just a couple wannabes who will, and have never made it in the game.

don't let the door hit your ass on the way out

 

[Dial_tone]

I especially enjoyed the part where he said that people would suggest lower doses to teens because they didn't want them to get bigger than they were. I've already been there and done it several times. I'm way past the point of caring who's bigger than who. Fact of the matter is I'd rather be a 165 lb pro cyclist than a pro BB'er any day of the week. I get much more enjoyment out of that.

 

[Distortion]

i agree.. ive only done 1 cycle but it was the best damn 10 weeks of working out ever.

 

[Pakelika]

hey i'm not out of anybody's league bro, check out the pics, if anything i'm in a league of my own. am i not in his league because i have one karma dot and 70 posts?

ppffff, your pics arent thast great dude. you look OK even at your age. You look like shit in other aspects, like no hair and the face of a 40 year old. 18 years old and juicing, get real

 

[guards]

I would like to share with everyone the email that i received from geneticfreak18. I gave him red karma for his antics on this thread and then received this peice of garbage via PM:


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yeah your a mod, did i say something that i shouldn't have to the almighty moderator?

i'm here to gain knowledge, more than i already know. do i have to agree with everything you say and not be able to state my opinion? what, are you going to ban me for saying i'm not out of anybodies league? you insulted me bro, don't think b/c you have a mod position i'm going to kiss your ass. this is a internet steroid discussion board, they're are millions of these and your one in 100,000 mods. don't let your head get too big.

i never had a problem with you anyway, i remember you from the past.



Now, I like to think I am pretty chill on this board. I rarely make waves and I rarely stick my 2 cents without warrante.

BUT THIS SHIT HAS REALLY MADE ME MAD.

I didn't say you were out of your league because of your post count or your karma you fucking moose testicle....I said you were out of your league because you were arguing with A) Someone who is EXTREMELY respected on this site and B) because you are a GODDAMN CHILD, as your PM has exemplified.

Grow up! And fucking get over yourself. You obviously have something to prove and I would suggest attempt to prove it somewhere else.

 

[psychedout]

lol. Anyone else get hit with negative karma by this guy? I hit him with red, but he just hit back with grey.

 

[Juice Authority]

lol. Anyone else get hit with negative karma by this guy? I hit him with red, but he just hit back with grey.

I nailed with red too. Fucking idiot.

 

[Ulter]

Karma has color's??? I need to get out more, I didn't know that.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

lol. Anyone else get hit with negative karma by this guy? I hit him with red, but he just hit back with grey.

How the heck does one hit you with "grey" karma. I thought it was red or green...

 

[Dial_tone]

I got something but I can't tell what it is.

 

[trinidad]

How the heck does one hit you with "grey" karma. I thought it was red or green...

I think this happens when the person either isn't platinum or doesn't have at least 500 posts. They give out karma but it doesn't count towards your total. I've noticed that when receiving k from newbies to the board.

 

[Juice Authority]

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