NEW DIET INVENTED!!!...read on

[Mr.X]

And I still disagree with Mr.X on this. While a 1:1 ketogenic
ratio will keep you in mild ketosis, ANY LOWER and
you'll get kicked out for a short time. Period.

You are not grasping the concept of the Ketonic maintenance here. You are stating that protein can be converted into glucose at a 58% efficiency rate...that is correct and exactly the same thing I state in my CKD manual BUT you are mistaking the facts here. For, ONLY EXCESS protein is converted into glucose, so, at the same time, protein needed for daily maintenance is used just for that and NOT for protein/glucose conversion.

I find it exceptionally hard to believe that a 40%fat/60%protein
meal didn't kick you out of ketosis for a few hours
AT LEAST.

Believe it or not, it's a fact that a person can stay in ketosis with 40%fat/60% fat/protein ratios, although I DO NOT recommend this in my CKD manual, it can be done. This concept is not only true for me, but for many people that have tested their blood for ketone content and ketosix at the same time.

Besides, the reasoning behnd te 1:1 approach(Lyle McDonald)
was that Ketone blood levels have A DIRECT IMPACT
on ketone formation from adipose tissue fatty acids.
Basically, the more diluted the amount of ketones in
the bloodstream, the more ketones will be produced from
body-fat stores.
At higher ratios, ketone blood concentrations are high, therefore
ketone formation from body-fat remains lowered.

Just think about it.

A 1000Kcal meal composed of 40%fat and 60% protein
with ZERO carbs.

400Kcal fat/9Kcal/g*0.1=4.44g of glucose.
600Kcal pro/4Kcal/g*0.58= 87g glucose

Total glucose: 91.44g

Incorrect, for NOT all protein is converted to glucose, in fact, at these ratios fat will NOT covert to glucose in this case and the protein (looking at the unreasonable fact that you used a 1000cal meal) will NOT convert to glucose at the rate you state. More of a 10-12g conversion will be happening, yet due to the dietary fat, the glucose will not kick you out of Ketosis. Plus, reasoning at hand being you are in Ketosis, those 10 carbs would refill mediocre muscle glycogen without even coming close to short handing the glucagon release by the liver.

Mr.X

 

[Mr.X]

Mr X.

Ive now been on your CKD diet for a week and I love it.
Ive now read your MKD insulin approach and am verry intrested, BUT:

I have a few questions that I hope you an answer, as I dont quite understand everything.

In the CKD diet you have set ratios of protien/fats

Day:


1-> 85%fat/15%protein--BMR-5%


2-> 75%fat/25%protein--BMR-10%

But in MKD you have

Day 1: 85% fat/15% protein---BMR ->

Day 2: 85%fat/15% protein---BMR->

Which one is right?

Question 2

You also have different lengths in cardio and weight training in CKD and no workout in MKD.

Question 3

Do I add that 60g of protein to my total cal or have it as an extra?




Can I just Stick with the CKD and add the insulin/protien in the morning?

Thanks man sorry for all the questions.
And keep up all the good info.
Horse.

1)IF you are doing the MKD then FOLLOW the MKD ratios, they are close, but the lower fat is because of the insulin.
2)USE the CKD manual workout/cardio for your MKD
3)Add the calories from protein (protein has 4cal/g) to your total daily calorie intake
4)Stick with the MKD instructions and, NO, you can't have insulin with fats. Combining insulin w/ fat is a sure way to compete in the sumo wrestling championships. So, don't do it...just stick to the MKD manual.

Mr.X

 

[ColumboWeiser]

mmm.interesting... good thread!

 

[LewdTenant]

link to SHIFT DIET is no good in the original post of this thread.

 

[Mr.X]

link to SHIFT DIET is no good in the original post of this thread.

Works fine for me...try clicking the
News/Articles button above on the banner
maybe that will work better.

Mr.X

 

[LewdTenant]

NEW DIET!!! THE SHIFT DIET
http://www.elitefitness.com/articles/
Look for Mr.X dieters digest

I did not read the message below it I was expecting to get a direct link. Thanks!

 

[Fonz]

Fonz,
I wrote my reply in a hurry and I realize my wording could be misunderstood. However, EXCESS protein can kick you out of ketosis. (remember that your brain adapts to the ketones and low glucose after a while, lowing the protein requirement to prevent muscle protein from breakdown)
If you want to mention Lyle McDonald, did you even
read his book? He talked about a 300 kcal/day liquid protein ketogenic diet in the 70's that people actually died off of (because it wasn't a complete protein.)
The fat is there providing calories, helping the liver produce ketones (it'll start producing ketones faster with (more) dietary fat-which is one of the reasons for the approach of a higher fat to protein ratio the days after carb-up), etc.

You're barking up the wrong tree here. I've read bot Lyle's
and Duchaines books, AND also perused through 100's of
starvation-diet papers on Medline, which were used by Lyle
for his research.
i.e. What happens metabolically after Day 3 on a starvation diet
is almost identical to a ketogenic diet.

AND, I still disagree with Mr.X. Maybe after LONG-TERM
adaptation to a keto diet has occurred will the body let
you eat more protein and less fat, and still remain in ketosis.
SHORT-TERM: Not a chance.

And, the article doesn't mention ketone's energy inefficiency.
1 Ketone yields approx. 7Kcal/gram, while fat yields
9 Kcal/gram.
If you were to create a 1000Kcal/day caloric deficit in a
ketogenic diet, it would realy be 1230KCal, due to the
caloric differential(9Kcal/7Kcal) between triglycerides
and ketones.

Godspeed

 

[Mr.X]

AND, I still disagree with Mr.X. Maybe after LONG-TERM
adaptation to a keto diet has occurred will the body let
you eat more protein and less fat, and still remain in ketosis.
SHORT-TERM: Not a chance.

And, the article doesn't mention ketone's energy inefficiency.
1 Ketone yields approx. 7Kcal/gram, while fat yields
9 Kcal/gram.
If you were to create a 1000Kcal/day caloric deficit in a
ketogenic diet, it would realy be 1230KCal, due to the
caloric differential(9Kcal/7Kcal) between triglycerides
and ketones.

Godspeed

You know I feel like I am going no where here, you are just stating theories with no scientific evidence to them. I'll finish this argument simply by stating: You need to re-read some of the facts on Ketosis and the Ketonic state itself...when you have done that, then we can continue this conversation. The motonomy of this subject is futile for the little time I have. Again, only EXCESS protein is converted to glucose. Key word: EXCESS.

1)The article does not have to mention ketone's energy inefficiency, which is by the way incorrect, for ketones are very energy efficient when adaptation occurs.
2)When you are in Ketosis, even short term, higher protein can still be used and you will be in Ketosis...as long as certain ratios are upkept...Read the CKD manual over, I stated plainly there that protein intake needs to be kept at the ratios I've listed.

Read this study and other please:
Diet-induced ketosis increases monocarboxylate transporter (MCT1) levels in rat brain.
Leino RL, Gerhart DZ, Duelli R, Enerson BE, Drewes LR.
Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology, School of Medicine, University of Minnesota, Duluth, MN 55812, USA.

Mr.X

 

[Burning_Inside]

Oh no, not a battle of the "But I read"'s

 

[Fonz]

Oh no, not a battle of the "But I read"'s

LOL.

Now, if only we were rats............

I wonder what the success rate is for Keto dieters?

Atkins won't release his info. He just releases
the cases that work, Too bad realy.

Godspeed