NEW DIET INVENTED!!!...read on

[Mr.X]

hi guys
i have been on the keto diet for 2 weeks now
this is my 3rd week
and i have got it done to the followin

1. proetin drink plus 20ml flax
the protein drink is zero carbs and 150 cal

2. some fish and cheese =200 cal
and 5g carbs
27g protein and 9g fat

3. protien drink +flax

4. fish

5. flax and protein drink

thats it sometimes its fish 3 times a day
some times chicken/ egg
also on ephedrine

i weigh 166 lbs
and i am keeping my cals at ~1300-1400
what ya think
do i need to tweak anywhere

ketosis kicks ass

Yes, you need to "tweak" two things.
1) INCREASE! calories to at least bodyweight x 12...or your body will go into a metabolic slowdown
2)Eat MORE fat, for excess protein can kick you out of ketosis. Get AT LEAST 1:1 fat/protein ratio daily.

Mr.X

 

[Tha One CrumCake]

Mr X or Fonz, What do you think of this?

I weigh 165lbs.

Day 1-4: Carbs 0-15, Fat 300grams, Protein 150grams

Day 5 - 8: Carbs 0-15, Fat 160grams, Protein 60 grams

Day 9: Carbs 400 grams,Protein 160 grams,Fat 50 grams

I Do light cardio 30 minutes, 6 days a week. and hit the weights 4 times a week.

I've only got maybe 5 more lbs of fat to lose before I hit my goal of 7% Bodyfat. These last 5 are going to be Tuff, and i'm worried about losing muscles. Do you think that in 3 weeks, with this high calorie keto state, low calorie keto state, and one carb up day that i will lose these last 5lbs?

I take ALA on carb up days and i feel incredible. Do you think i should take ALA everyday with meals?

On carb up i take anywhere from 1-1.5 grams of Lipoic Acid. On regular days should i take that much or reduce it?

Also Chicken Franks are on sale at Ralphs for 99 cents, each have 15grams of fat, 5 grams of protein, and 0 carbs.

 

[MS]

Just for future reference.....How are you folks defining ketosis given that ketones are always present in the blood to some degree, and ketones are only excreted in urine if they are IN EXCESS to the body's fuel requirements???

 

[muscleburn]

Ketones are present in the blood as a normal detoxifying process from the liver, from varying substances. Also the main process that creates ketones and alkanes is lipid peroxidation, this is when free radicals attack the poly-unsatured fat coating of cholesterol while its being transported from liver to the cell (vit E is good for halting this process and vit C is used to regenerate vit E). High ketones in the blood while not on a ketogenic diet could be an indication that u either are abusing certain drugs or worse that u have lipid peroxidation occuring, this is the initial process that leads to atherosclerosis.

The state of ketosis is when ur body actull breaks down fats to use as a primary fuel, therefore blood ketones will be naturally higher giving rise to the state Ketosis.

 

[MS]

Thanks muscleburn. I am well aware of the biochemistry of ketosis. My question should have been what are Mr X and Fonz using as a measurement of ketosis in their arguements against eachother? I may have this all wrong, but it seems that Fonz is argueing from a scientific point of view (trying to glean wisdom from medical journals which were prolly not looking at the type of ketosis that bodybuilders use), and Mr X is standing on more or less practical experience. And as my ex-boss was so fond of saying "it may work in practice but it won't work in theory". Clearly one can be in ketosis without excreting measureable quantities in the urine. So it seems a pointless disagreement unless we're going to measure blood ketone, glucose and insulin levels and talk about the effect a high protein intake has on those parameters.

 

[muscleburn]

Sorry man, its hard to grasp who knows what on here....

But with what u are saying, a blood test is the only way to find out if u dont get measurable quantities in the urine. Typical example alcohol breath tests positive but blood tests negative, maybe not a fair comparison but what u excret does not necessarily say whats going on systemically.

 

[liftsiron]

Mr X your ideas on ketogentic dieting look great. I have got ripped on a ratio of 30 to 40% fat to 60% protein. Our bodies do not follow percise text book calculations. In bodybuilding, dieting, etc real world results are the only criteria that counts. For decades the medical and science community's position statement was that steroids did not add muscle or enhance performance. The fda still touts the stupid 70% carb diet for optimal health.

 

[Big_Al1970]

Mr X,

I have a question that I hope you can answer. I am in Ketosis according to the Keto-Stix. I have gone from 330# to 260#. Although I am in ketosis I have hit a plateau, is this common? I thought as long as you are in ketosis you continue to lose weight. Fact or Fiction? I am doing a kind of Atkins Diet but I dont go over 20 grams of carbs per day ever.

Thanks
Big Al

 

[Mr.X]

Mr X,

I have a question that I hope you can answer. I am in Ketosis according to the Keto-Stix. I have gone from 330# to 260#. Although I am in ketosis I have hit a plateau, is this common? I thought as long as you are in ketosis you continue to lose weight. Fact or Fiction? I am doing a kind of Atkins Diet but I dont go over 20 grams of carbs per day ever.

Thanks
Big Al

Yes, a plateau is very common while doing a SKD (standard-ketonic-diet) because, from what I've seen, the body--after a time--starts to become quiet efficient at burning fat, yet it slows the process down very highly and keeps the bf% constant. What I would recommend is a carb-up day, i.e., 1 day of high-carbs.
Read over my CKD manual for carb-up facts.

Mr.X

 

[Big_Al1970]

Thank you, ill give that a ry a see what happens.