Natural Bodybuilders: Skip LaCour Says: Quit your bitching

[aurelius]

Well, I will do my best to prove this theory wrong.

Don´t bang your head against the wall, my friend. You may find yourself like me soon, drawn more to making what muscle you have into powerful muscle...powerlifting in other words. Kind of like how many musicians after playing for years tend to gravitate toward jazz.

best of luck

 

[super slappy sam]

i work with a few all natural guys who are very, very large and tight. i recently decided to follow their lead and go natural. they did it using scientific training methods, not going in and doing back today. every week, month, and year had a plan, they brought in their journals. very interesting. 6 meals a day, glutamine, aminos, no fat burners. they can naturally bench 450 plus. it's really amazing. the one guy was in the amateur world's strongest man. carried the africa stone over 200 meters, all natural. anyone who says it can't be done will never do it because they don't have the know how. in the last year i've been natural i've gained more mass than ever (did a few cycles, all to get ultra shredded). now i am doing it using science. it's really weird to see the body change naturally but it happens. slower, yes, but healthier and happier for sure.

 

[aurelius]

all natural.

How do you know?

 

[benchmonster]

because they said so.

I am not natural. That you can believe.

I am natural. That you can choose to beleive.

(The author of this reply uses a bench shirt and juices, therefore I am fake and none of my lifts count.)

Someone saying they are natural is worth about as much as me saying that it might rain next month.

Everyone should quit worrying so much about who is natural and who is not, and just focus on your own goals. If you are a bodybuilder who wants to compete, and you are not interested in taking steroids, you have a very rough road ahead of you.

If you are a powerlifter, or strongman, you can get stronger without juice, but you will get stronger with it. Make your own informed choice about how to proceed, but if you choose to be natural, don't bitch when you get your ass handed to you by someone who is assisted. If you are going to run with the big dogs in the iron game be prepared to compete against people who are juicing.

B.

 

[aurelius]

If you are a powerlifter, or strongman, you can get stronger without juice, but you will get stronger with it. Make your own informed choice about how to proceed, but if you choose to be natural, don't bitch when you get your ass handed to you by someone who is assisted. If you are going to run with the big dogs in the iron game be prepared to compete against people who are juicing.

This is all I´m saying. I could care less who does what with what drug. There´s just a ton of people who have no idea what´s achievable without drugs giving out all sorts of advice.

 

[super slappy sam]

not sure if the quote about all natural was to me, if it was, how do i know? i've worked with them and hung out with all of them for the last 3 plus years but they're all lying to me. please don't be so pessimistic. i hated the fact that they were freaks too, till i learned how they train. periodized strength training makes a huge difference, especially when you've been doing it along with unbelievable diets for 6 or more years straight. they were all
all american at various sports at the div. 1 and 3 levels, so they come from good genes to begin with.

please don't hate because these guys put assisted lifters to shame and they did it using science.

some people are very strong naturally. take the strongest natural guy you know and apply the wave/4 - 5 % theory to their bench regiment. watch a max lift of 405 go to 430 or 440 in 8 weeks.

then add to it that these guys are considered some of the best strength coaches in the US. like i said, alittle knowledge goes a long way, and these guys have all the knowledge. it's really amazing to talk to them about theory, they have totally changed my whole outlook on training.

point is, there are freaks out there that could diet for three months, enter a state level show and not be laughed off the stage when they are natural. some don't want to believe it, me included, but seeing is believing.

 

[aurelius]

but seeing is believing.

HA HA HA HA!!!

some people are very strong naturally. take the strongest natural guy you know and apply the wave/4 - 5 % theory to their bench regiment. watch a max lift of 405 go to 430 or 440 in 8 weeks.

You think that will win at a competitive level?

 

[super slappy sam]

at a weight of 195 it did, and 205 it was 2nd. they both went 450 but the lifts were ruled ineligible due to foot movement and incomplete pause.

and the one guy came in 3rd this year at the world strongest man in ohio, under 200 amateur, and if he wins the nationals goes to the world championships.

these guys got invited to westside to train with louie simmons specially because of their know how so laugh all you want, they'll put you to shame all naturally. with bench shirts three of them went over 530.

it sucks when you have to juice your face off just to run with the pack and the freaks come along and rain on your parade.

laugh some more, these are pretty low numbers and accomplishments for all naturals.

i posted replies trying to avoid the normal elite flame bullshit, stop being an ego maniac and pulling quotes out and laughing about them.
i'll do you one better and send you a video of the africa stone walk you were laughing at, then you go try it. ok funny guy. thanks. try and keep it on the topic.

 

[benchmonster]

Super Slappy Sam,

I am not trying to rain on your parade. If these guys are natural and that strong, then that is awesome, and I am proud of them, natural, juiced, whatever. I am a 500 plus bencher myself, I know what kind of work it takes to get there.

But I have also been around the iron game long enough to know that just because a person says they are natural, that does not mean that they are. I don't give a rat's ass if you are natural or not. When it comes down to contest time, that bar is either going to get locked out or it is not, and no excuses are going to make the bar go up.

My point is this, and I will try and narrow my focus here. Too many young lifters are told that XYZ is clean, because he says he is, or because he lifts in a "clean" organization, and when this kid realizes that he is never going to get anywhere near that level he is told, you must not have the genetics and quits completely. I personally think this is a shame. Very few national and world class competitors in powerlifting and strongman are clean. No national and world class bodybuilders are clean. People need to realize this.

Telling them otherwise, and making them believe that they are genetically inferior is not fair to the youngster, who has no way of knowing any better.

I doubt if you and I are as far apart on this issue as it would seem. Clean freaks irritate me. Not everyone who is clean is a clean freak. Clean freaks are like annoying bible thumpers who insist that they are perfect and everyone else must be like them. I as I said above don't care whether you or anyone else is on the sauce or not. But at the top level of competition in any iron game sport, most if not all are assisted and youngster's need to realize this.

B.

 

[aurelius]

i posted replies trying to avoid the normal elite flame bullshit, stop being an ego maniac and pulling quotes out and laughing about them.

Sorry to offend. I don´t care for flames or name calling. However, your "evidence" as "seeing is believing" is absolutely hilarious.

As for staying on topic, this thread started regarding bodybuilding, not powerlifting or stone walking. I was just about to mention we had strayed off topic.

I doubt if you and I are as far apart on this issue as it would seem. Clean freaks irritate me. Not everyone who is clean is a clean freak. Clean freaks are like annoying bible thumpers who insist that they are perfect and everyone else must be like them. I as I said above don't care whether you or anyone else is on the sauce or not. But at the top level of competition in any iron game sport, most if not all are assisted and youngster's need to realize this.

This is the truth sss. You may have put these guys on a pedestal because they "don´t cheat with drugs" and "use science," but that´s your business. the quote above is the truth.