Natural Bodybuilders: Skip LaCour Says: Quit your bitching

[abc 1]

you did say that, in different words yes, refer back to the argument with the guy whose friend did the strongman. you said he could never get there without drugs and that he was lying to the guy, so were all of his friends who do bench competitions. the long and short is, nothing natural could be competitive. that is what you've said. in different words, yes, but that is the summation of your argument.

all the top trainers used, but there methods of training are effective for natual lifters, very effective.

read the post again, the russians weren't the pioneers of aas use for oylmpic athletes either, do more research.

here's an example of drug use where it doesn't create the athlete, the training does: greg kovacs. so by saying the russians were the best simply due to drug use, your way off base. training created those athletes, the aas didn't win the medal.

you flip flop alot. in prior posts you've said naturals can never be competitive at national levels and went and proclaimed the same thing on the gear is for que##s post that the guys wife could never win naturally, and women can't gain muscle, and powerlifters can't be natural. how do you know? seriously, no flame here, where do you come off telling people they are lying and their friends are lying? don't dissect the words here like you do in alot of posts, back up your statements because when i read i come up with the theme of the statement, you come back and say, "i didn't say that". in less or more words, what i'm saying is what your putting across. if you can't stick to one point and constantly argue you didn't say that, this should end. it's pointless, whatever you say, you'll change it later.

 

[Arioch]

This is absurd. I can´t discuss this with you any longer. Why do men have so much more muscle naturally without any training compared to women? It´s the level of anabolic hormones! It gives you more muscle just by having them in your body without the training! (this is true for using steroids too) No idea what the limits are? HA HA HA HA!! I´ve already drawn enough analogies for you.

No shit. Never said women can gain anywhere near the muscle mass me can.

I have openly discussed drug use on this board. This is not something my employer regards with a great deal of glee, therefore I do not post where I coach. A couple of people know who I am, but I trust their discretion.

You are right, you can no longer discuss this with me, but then you never could.

 

[aurelius]

in less or more words, what i'm saying is what your putting across.

You need to learn some rhetoric techniques. I constantly have to do this because people here always want to twist what I say into something ridiculous and then call what I said ridiculous when I never said it.

in prior posts you've said naturals can never be competitive at national levels and went and proclaimed the same thing on the gear is for que##s post that the guys wife could never win naturally,

That ´s not a flip flop. Again, I suggest a basic logic book.

and women can't gain muscle, and powerlifters can't be natural.

For the last time, women can gain muscle, just not much. That depends. Are you at a competitive level of powerlifting? Then you are constantly getting beaten by those who train the same and use.

"i justify my anabolic gains like they are natural gains because natural gains are a myth and everybody whose great at anything is on aas, etc".

You see, this is a ridiculous statement I NEVER made. Somehow you got this impression but did it ever occur to you your "impression" was wrong?

all the top trainers used, but there methods of training are effective for natual lifters, very effective.

Why were they all using then if their methods are so very effective?

You know, I read in Ben Franklin´s autobiography yesterday his comments that a wise man, upon coming across an ignorant man, will simply listen to the man prattle on about things he does not know about and when he is finished, leave him quietly in his ignorance. You may have the last word. I now leave you quietly.

 

[Y_lifter]

Outstanding article Frac..
I can't believe the whining in some of these posts...
Key points IMO...
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Learn from everyone, whether they use drugs or not.

If you choose not to do steroids -- good for you! Quit criticizing the other guys and get to work. If you can't hang with the big boys, enter drug-tested contests only. I believe if you spend less time on your "soapbox" and more time training and eating intelligently, you can give any bodybuilder a run for their money.

Was it because they used drugs in their past – or did they place ahead of me because they have superior genetics? Was it the fact that they have been training 15 years -- while I have only been training for three years -- that caused the judges to see them as better than me?

List the reasons on paper why you have decided to train without the use of drugs. Refer to it in the toughest times -- when you feel like doing drugs or giving up bodybuilding altogether.