My hit training recommendations

[ATF]

I agree....

AND...science isn't EVER going to figure out the BEST way to train because it is always changing. It changes for every person and even THAT changes quickly. Mine changes weekly, even though I stick with the same basic structure.

EVERYONE has to figure their own body out and that takes time. With that time you must still research what is working for you and maybe even WHY it is working, because it is going to change soon.

I don't believe that a program works if you have to change it after 6 weeks or so. You were either over or under training (somehow shocking your body) if you reach a plateau. A good program should always work and allow for the flexibility to change small things on a weekly basis.

B True

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Debaser]

I agree....

AND...science isn't EVER going to figure out the BEST way to train because it is always changing. It changes for every person and even THAT changes quickly.

I would have to respectfully disagree here...

I think some things are person-specific. Some guys are more or less capable in the following areas:

1. Robustness of joints and susceptability to injury
2. Rate of muscle gain
3. CNS overtraining threshhold, ie. if someone did 10 sets to failure every single day, how fast he would start to be overtrained relative to another guy.

But in terms of muscle growth, I believe it is far more cut and dry. It's more of a physiology issue. In terms of muscle growth, HST and DFHT, and to a slightly lesser extent DC (since it's concentrates a little more on strength gains) have discovered the fastest way we know of to build muscle tissue. Now as we learn more, these program might evolve slightly, but since it's based on concepts of the human body I don't think they'll change significantly any time soon.

With regards to the best strength gain program, Westside seems to be pretty darn close. The reason this is up in the air more is, IMO, for the following reasons:

1. Although we know that total strength is a resultant of a couple factors (power/speed, pure strength etc.),

2. The best way to develop each of these factors is a little bit harder to figure out. It's easier to figure out in a lab how muscle grows, it's harder to figure out how strength develops.

This is where the person-specific factors come in. Some guy might be able to produce more strength on a certain protocol because of his genetics and structure than another guy. That guy might be better suited towards a different program that takes advantage of HIS attributes. Some guys can handle all the Metal Militia volume, some guys will get overtrained quickly, etc.

Last, some programs might generate more speed but less progressive overload, and vice versa. Since both these factors contribute to strength, it is hard to come up with an absolute "best way" to gaining strength.

 

[BigBadBootyDaddy29]

Come on guys, why are you bashing Hit Warrior? This man walked into the gym one day and weighed 195lbs, he performed 1 set of incline d-bell presses to failure with 80lbs and he woke up the next morning and weighed 400lbs, then he proceeded to run the 40 yard dash in 4 seconds..........Damn, I am gonna go do Hit Warrior's workout right now and I will keep you guys posted, I suggest you all do the same and we can weigh ourselves tomorrow, I am shooting for 30 stone as well.

HitWarrior, you're an asset to this board.

(That was supposed to be sarcastic)

 

[b fold the truth]

I would have to respectfully disagree here...

But in terms of muscle growth, I believe it is far more cut and dry. It's more of a physiology issue. In terms of muscle growth, HST and DFHT, and to a slightly lesser extent DC (since it's concentrates a little more on strength gains) have discovered the fastest way we know of to build muscle tissue. Now as we learn more, these program might evolve slightly, but since it's based on concepts of the human body I don't think they'll change significantly any time soon.

With regards to the best strength gain program, Westside seems to be pretty darn close. The reason this is up in the air more is, IMO, for the following reasons:

1. Although we know that total strength is a resultant of a couple factors (power/speed, pure strength etc.),

2. The best way to develop each of these factors is a little bit harder to figure out. It's easier to figure out in a lab how muscle grows, it's harder to figure out how strength develops.

This is where the person-specific factors come in. Some guy might be able to produce more strength on a certain protocol because of his genetics and structure than another guy. That guy might be better suited towards a different program that takes advantage of HIS attributes. Some guys can handle all the Metal Militia volume, some guys will get overtrained quickly, etc.

Last, some programs might generate more speed but less progressive overload, and vice versa. Since both these factors contribute to strength, it is hard to come up with an absolute "best way" to gaining strength.

I'm not a bodybuilder or concerned with muscle growth...just total body performance. I don't know much about bodybuilding.

Also...you used 3 different examples of programs that you say have figured it out the fastest way to muscle gains. If it takes 3 different programs to be the 'fastest way' then that means one isn't the best.

One way ISN'T the best. The body must adapt and change...just as the program should.

B True

 

[casualbb]

HST isnt the optimal program, i feel as DFHT gets more popular you will see the dismise of HST.


Kc

The problem is... DFHT is based upon managing fatigue through volume cycling. Fatigue has nothing to do with hypertrophy. HST is designed around the way muscle actually grows in response to training. Part of the program is designed to manage fatigue, because in any frequent program it's an issue. But it's certainly not the central theme of the program.

Also, why would any strength athlete do HST? HST is actually a very good offseason routine if the athlete needs to gain muscle or change weight classes. Say a wrestler wanted to go up in weight class. That would be best done using HST during the offseason.

A great templete would be to use HST to achieve a good weight and LBM for a given sport and then switch over to WSB or some other strength routine to increase performance.

 

[Arnold'sApprentice]

Come on guys, why are you bashing Hit Warrior? This man walked into the gym one day and weighed 195lbs, he performed 1 set of incline d-bell presses to failure with 80lbs and he woke up the next morning and weighed 400lbs, then he proceeded to run the 40 yard dash in 4 seconds..........Damn, I am gonna go do Hit Warrior's workout right now and I will keep you guys posted, I suggest you all do the same and we can weigh ourselves tomorrow, I am shooting for 30 stone as well.

HitWarrior, you're an asset to this board.

(That was supposed to be sarcastic)

That gave me a damn good chuckle...thanks bbbd

 

[hitwarrior]

no not overnight but i did go from 195 to 280 in 3 months, and then go from 280 to 350 in 3 months and ive been around 350 for the last 5 years , all from mentzer hit. People keep saying all workouts work when there is progressive resistance. Well isnt doing the 80's for 6 rep, next workout 7, next workout 8, next workout progressive resistance. yes it is and after 3 months i inclined the 120's for 6 reps. I dont think people know how to properly do hit training from what i see on here. If you want me to explain it to you the way i do it i will. I go into my recovery on one set and everything else goes for growth. Always made sense to me.

 

[ATF]

no not overnight but i did go from 195 to 280 in 3 months, and then go from 280 to 350 in 3 months and ive been around 350 for the last 5 years , all from mentzer hit.

pppffffffffffttttttt!!!!!!! 155 lbs in 6 months? You must eat 25 meals a day!

I'd love to see your stretch marks! Got pics?

 

[Lord_Suston]

no not overnight but i did go from 195 to 280 in 3 months, and then go from 280 to 350 in 3 months and ive been around 350 for the last 5 years , all from mentzer hit. People keep saying all workouts work when there is progressive resistance. Well isnt doing the 80's for 6 rep, next workout 7, next workout 8, next workout progressive resistance. yes it is and after 3 months i inclined the 120's for 6 reps. I dont think people know how to properly do hit training from what i see on here. If you want me to explain it to you the way i do it i will. I go into my recovery on one set and everything else goes for growth. Always made sense to me.

The huma body can only gain musscle at a certain rate due to trascription limiting factors. Maybe you did gain but not even half of it would be muscle. Also to be honest I just don't believ you... Post a progress thread to squash all uncertanty, picture before and after

 

[ttwarrior4]

just did a search, wow , hit warrior you are the man. awesome post. I also agree