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My hit training recommendations

Jeezus.

Is anyone on this board actually dumb enough to give this guy the benefit of the doubt on such obvious BULLSHIT?

Let's see.........

155 pounds in 6 months=25.83lbs per month=1.16lbs per day, roughly of supposed solid bodyweight. If even 50% of that was lean muscle mass that would still be 77.5lbs in 6 MONTHS, let alone 155lbs! Um, sorry, I don't think so, even on massive doses of roids and GH and whatever else.

I recall a guy gaining approximately 63lbs of lean muscle mass in under a month. Oh ya, that guy was CAsey Viator. Also, he was regaining muscle mass to previous levels, not building entirely new muscle mass. AND, he was probably on anabolics. In fact, I'd guess that's kind of a duh, even though he has awesome genetics and denies it, BUT COME ON. The so called style of hit he performed was much different then what this guy suposedly does. He did 3 fullbody workouts per week. This guy would probably call that gross overtraining.

I love these HIT Jedi's!

I used to be one back in the day, but I saw the light.

There is NO best way!

There are good ways, ok ways, and bad ways and many more shades of gray ways.

No one program is gonna be best for anyone.

1 set to true momentary muscular failure with a hard static and negative on that last impossible rep for even 4-5 exercises=CNS debilitation for at least a week for me. Very little muscle gain. Good strength gain, but not necessarily better than what can be done with other methods. And I feel like crap afterwards for several days and my strength is nill.

But, I can do 10x3 on bench and 1-2 sets of 3-4 exercises after that just shy of failure for one bodypart, and train 4 days a week doing a different bodypart each day(2 on 1 day) and gain muscle mass and strength at a very fast rate, without once ever having gone to failure. Plus I feel great from it.

These hit Jedi's have 3 MAJOR and fundamental flaws with their beliefs.

1. We are all different. What works for you, MAY not work for me, or not as well or even better than it works for you. There's no guarantee's. You have to learn how to train yourself for optimal results from lots of experimentation. Experiment all the time.

2. You have taken the concept of intensity and taken it from a scientific fact(% of 1RM equals actual intensity level, where your 1RM max is 100% and every thing less is a lower % or intensity level because lets face it, if you can't lift it, you can't lift it) to some psuedo-scientific theory that frankly just isn't true, and a healthy dose of common sense and training experience proves it.

3. Everyone has different muscle shapes, attachments, tendons and attachments and ratios and distributions of fiber types. Waht HIT fails to realize is that the CNS is just as important in the total muscle building equation. If you're pounding your CNS either TOO hard, TOO much, TOO long, or TOO often, then good luck trying to gain strength or muscle. Keep it up and have fun being overtrained and losing muscle and strength. Oh, but you forgot to add an extra rest day each time you can't lift a new poundage. What a load of crap. Doing it the Mentzer way would have most guys just doing 1 set per exercise once every 2-3 weeks eventually! Now muscle may not atrophy in 1 week, but it's seem pretty damn likely it will to some extent in 2-3 weeks, and even if it doesn't, training that infrequently isn't exactly the best way to build up strength or muscle mass, or your CNS for that matter. That's a MEGA DUH!

If I hit failure on an exercise which is fairly rare, it's because I didn't quite get the cutoff point right, which is a rep shy of failure ie., the last rep in good form you can actually complete, or if I'm feeling lazy or real strong and get all my required reps, leave a rep in the tank.

It's better to finish a workout feeling strong and worked, rather then wasted, exhausted, drained or utterly spent. Where else in life do you do this? Probably can't think of 1. Even when you're boning your girlfriend you cut yourself off at some point. You don't go until you're dried up like some prune, and if you do, well that can't be healthy for Mr. Willy and his marbles. You leave just a little left in you because you know if you don't you'll be exhausted.

Now I'm not saying HIT is a bad thing. But, to call it the best way, or the only way is dumb. Find what works for you. If HIT fits the bill and floats your boat, then roll with it, if not like me, try something else.

IMO, and this is just my opinion, HIT SUCKS.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it HIT zealots.
 
GhettoStudMuffin said:
Jeezus.


I love these HIT Jedi's!

I used to be one back in the day, but I saw the light.

There is NO best way!

There are good ways, ok ways, and bad ways and many more shades of gray ways.

No one program is gonna be best for anyone.


HIT SUCKS.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it HIT zealots.


You know, your whole post is 100% correct. The reason people become "HIT Jedis" though makes sense. Mike Mentzer is the first guy to preach HIT, and like him or not, he was well-read, educated, highly intelligent, and had a knack for persuasive writing, and writing in general. All HIT articles to this day preach logic, and explain the theory inside and out, attack all other types of training, and try to appeal to people's intelligence and common sense.

Strength training is different, but as far as bodybuilding goes, most articles appeal to someone with a zero IQ...They will say they are written by a BB, but it looks to me like Joe Weider writes most of this stuff.....they will essentially say blast away, and have titles like "bowling ball biceps" or "cannon ball delts" or spething ridiculous and they provide no logic or science as to why they work. People get frustrated with this crap and become HIT junkies because at the very least it appeals to their logical side and makes an attempt to explain why it works.

I am no fan of HIT, mostly because I strength train, but I do see why people who take up BB can love it simply because it defies Joe Weider's establishment and mindless articles.
 
people like to type a lot in this post. HIIT is good for fat burtning. next: 1 - 3 sets are good per exercise. enough said
 
HIT type training is supposed to be logical right?

HIT is supposed to have some common sense self-evident truth right?

Mike Mentzer, Arthur Jones and all the other HIT typer guys and their numerous variations on it all seem to have thrown 1 thing to the side.

The theory of intensity and what it is. Not even sure it's theory because it's a fact.

Your 1RM max is you giving all out 100% effort. If you cannot lift the weight, then you cannot lift it. Whatever weight is the most you can lift is the maximum amount of intensity you can generate at 1 time.

AS you get progressively stronger, it goes up.

Anything less than 100% or your 1 rep max is technically and scientifically less intense.

With this method you can know exactly how intense your training is provided you don't go to failure. Go to failure using it and you might as well be pissing in the wind.

I used to be into HIT, but I was never a zealot or Jedi. But I knew something was fundamentally wrong with this method when it takes a week or more to recover form 1 measly set. When you keep getting stronger and stronger largely due to CNS adaptation, but your muscles don't grow for jack and people can't even tell you lift because you don't train the muscles frequently enough and/or with enough volume. Somethings wrong with that picture, no?

I am amazed that these so-called intelligent guys couldn't eventually grasp this concept and realize the fundamental flaw of their theory of training which basically debunks the theory of HIT.

They go more on "well it makes sense" than whether or not it is scientifically accurate. I could make up some theory on how to fly to the moon and it might make sense to you or seem logical, when in reality it's way off the truth. Get my point. That's what the HIT guys do. Sorry, it's the truth. Take it from a guy that has trained Arthur Jones style HIT and Mentzer style HIT in the past.

I'm 2 months back into training now and I'm already getting comments about my size and strength already. I am getting bigger and bigger, stronger and stronger, and feeling better and better bit by bit, all without having gone to failure 99% of the time. That 1% was accidental and I didn't strain hard on those reps so don't say oh oh, those 1% of your training reps are what stimulated all that growth and strength. Palease....

The theory of that last magical growth stimulating rep first espoused by Arthur Jones is just a theory that isn't true. There may be "some" truth to it, but that doesn't make it entirely true now does it?

You do not need to lift a weight until you reach that last impossible rep and fail on it. Imo, that just overtaxes the CNS and doesn't benefit the muscle anymore than stopping on the last rep you can complete in good form. This is just my opinion.

A muscle can be stimulated to grow by these basic methods and more I haven't listed:

lift a heavier weight
lift more total weight in a workout
lift the weight with a faster or slower speed
half reps
1/4 reps
lockouts
isometrics
reducing rest time between sets and/or reps
explosive lifting
smooth fluid lifting with no pauses
negatives
rest-pause
supersets
drop sets
running the rack
21's
numerous set and reps schemes
and many more I haven't listed. None of these methods needing to be done to failure to stimulate growth and strength increases.

HIT=HOKEY INTERMITENT TRAININGimo. :elephant:
 
Ghetto, im liking you more and more. some serious knowledge in there. sometimes you might come off a little harsh, but on when the other person is stupid! how can a muscle grow if you tax it out every workout? i know for a fact that i wouldnt last on full month on a HIT workout. my body would not be able to drag itself into the gym. thereore, HIT would NOT be the best training method for me. i prefer four or five days in the gym per week, working it hard but not leaving feeling like a bag of shit in skin. amen
 
Btw, read hitwarrior's 4th post in this thread. I just went back and read it AGAIN.

Prolly some of the funniest shit I've read in a long time.

This guy should be in the World's Strongest Man comp. They should add a new event just for him since he is such an amazing specimen of size, strength, power and athleticism.

Call it: THE WORLD'S STRONGEST-FASTes MAN!
 
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i grow because mentzer taught me what was required to grow. I dont use up my natural gh , testosterone by doing stupid extra sets. Why would i do extra sets, extra growth, ha ha ha.
 
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