Michael Richards a.k.a. Kramer from Seinfeld goes on Racial Tirade, caught on tape!

[rykertest]

Oops.

But who cares, really? A black comic would have gone up there next, said all the exact same shit, and it would have been funny to some of the crowd.

SO TRUE. It's reverse racism at it's purest form. He can't say nigger but they can say white boy and cracker ass. Both are right or both are wrong, this double standard crap is OLD.

 

[Spartacus]

"His mom and dad were always working on something. Gales dad was tall and had long legs. His dad worked hard every day and only got 40 dollars a day. His mom was at home watching all the kids"

 

[jackangel]

agree on lestat's white guilt. i do see a difference in one term versus another because of the history. in fact, i'm often one of the first to make that distinction. but it only goes so far. and the reason why i would focus on lestat's feeling guilty, and not seeing his stance as merely compassionate as he says, is because of this:

"Personally when a black person calls me a racial slur, it doesn't bother me in the least, especially when I think its a small price to pay for what my ancestors (from North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia where my father's side of the family is from) did to theirs."

how do you think people reading that will interpret your attitude, lestat? is that only compassion for other human beings that you're showing up there?

most of us will agree that everyone stereotypes, and that black culture also promotes or allows for a lot of white stereotypes which are less than flattering. the best example we can come up with is probably stand-up comedy. in fact, it's old by now...it's always the same old characterization of a nerdy/stuffy/lame/proper white guy with a pinched, nasal voice.

granted, none of this is likely to be especially offensive. it's just stupid and tired by now. but, hypothetically speaking, if a black dude started bad-mouthing whites in this fashion (maybe throwing in a 'cracker' here and there) and then got pissed off when a white guy responded with racial epithets, stating that he had the right to say what he wants because of the suffering of his ancestors, or the because of his victimization by the still-racist system...how would you feel about that?

is that reasonable? or if not, is it unreasonable and improper for both parties to engage in any of this behaviour? where does the fault lie, exactly? is the white dude the worse offender because he's insensitive to history and racial inequality? as a good or righteous person, is he obligated to maintain and therefore promote that mentality?

 

[Phaded]

he was talking about lynching and watching blacks burn while they are lynched.. that is completely out of bounds.. and if i was there i would have fucked him up..

 

[Yarg!]

LOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOL X10000000 at all the white ppl who think "cracker" has the same context as 'nigger'.

wow, what a ridiculously disgusting video, i hope kramer chokes on his own semen- and this is coming from someone who makes black jokes on a daily basis.

 

[Lestat]

agree on lestat's white guilt. i do see a difference in one term versus another because of the history. in fact, i'm often one of the first to make that distinction. but it only goes so far. and the reason why i would focus on lestat's feeling guilty, and not seeing his stance as merely compassionate as he says, is because of this:

"Personally when a black person calls me a racial slur, it doesn't bother me in the least, especially when I think its a small price to pay for what my ancestors (from North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia where my father's side of the family is from) did to theirs."

how do you think people reading that will interpret your attitude, lestat? is that only compassion for other human beings that you're showing up there?

most of us will agree that everyone stereotypes, and that black culture also promotes or allows for a lot of white stereotypes which are less than flattering. the best example we can come up with is probably stand-up comedy. in fact, it's old by now...it's always the same old characterization of a nerdy/stuffy/lame/proper white guy with a pinched, nasal voice.

granted, none of this is likely to be especially offensive. it's just stupid and tired by now. but, hypothetically speaking, if a black dude started bad-mouthing whites in this fashion (maybe throwing in a 'cracker' here and there) and then got pissed off when a white guy responded with racial epithets, stating that he had the right to say what he wants because of the suffering of his ancestors, or the because of his victimization by the still-racist system...how would you feel about that?

is that reasonable? or if not, is it unreasonable and improper for both parties to engage in any of this behaviour? where does the fault lie, exactly? is the white dude the worse offender because he's insensitive to history and racial inequality? as a good or righteous person, is he obligated to maintain and therefore promote that mentality?

no one is guiltless. I suppose I feel more sympathy for those who have less, the underdog?

How do I explain my statement?

Well I've done some things and said things I should not have, that I regret.

True story, I once punch my best friend in the face because I was so frustrated with something he was doing, something he was intentionally doing to piss me off. I reacted, I wish I could take it back, but I couldn't, I wished i could take it back the second after it happened.

The point is, I don't generally go around punching my f riend's in the face. I could easily have gone my whole life without ever doing it, but I was pushed to a limit, provoked, and I responded.

This is what I meant by my statement about how it doesn't bother me to get racial slurs from others, I don't justify what they do, but I can completely understand where it comes from.

 

[jackangel]

Re: Michael Richards a.k.a. Kramer from Seinfeld goes on Racial Tirade, caught on tap

i haven't seen the video yet, since i'm still at fucking work. that sounds rather incendiary. i'll check it out at home. the question of degree or extent always matters, though. if he had responded with a 'shut up nigger' in response to a 'get off the stage cracker' and left it at that...that's one thing. but going into graphic details which evoke images from the bad old days...this would likely cross my line by a fair amount.

but in either case, it's a matter of intent. intent counts for more than anything else here. even though 'cracker' may be used to deride or mock a white person, i would have a hard time seeing it as hateful. but bringing all of that slavery/lynching shit...that's very easy to see as hateful, because that history is all about hate/utter contempt/dehumanization.

 

[rykertest]

LOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOL X10000000 at all the white ppl who think "cracker" has the same context as 'nigger'.

wow, what a ridiculously disgusting video, i hope kramer chokes on his own semen- and this is coming from someone who makes black jokes on a daily basis.

No, an insult is an insult. See thats the problem, people think one insult is ok but another is not depending on what is said or who says it. I call crap on this one. Either all insults should be wrong or all fair game. I am so sick of hearing blacks rip on whites on a constant basis and nothing is said. For the record, I don't agree with what kramer said on stage anaymore than what the audiance members said in response or provocation, they are BOTH EQUALLY WRONG. As was said earlier, if you put a black comedian on stage and white audience members and everything else was the same, they audience members would be condemmed for being racists trying to "keep a brotha down" or whatever. It's total 100% crap. It's a double standard and if people can't see that, then they have literal rocks in their head.

 

[jnevin]

i haven't see the video yet, since i'm still at fucking work. that sounds rather incendiary. i'll check it out at home. the question of degree or extent always matters, though. if he had responded with a 'shut up nigger' in response to a 'get off the stage cracker' and left it at that...that's one thing. but going into graphic details which evoke images from the bad old days...this would likely cross my line by a fair amount.

but in either case, it's a matter of intent. intent counts for more than anything else here. even though 'cracker' may be used to deride or mock a white person, i would have a hard time seeing it as hateful. but bringing all of that slavery/lynching shit...that's very easy to see as hateful, because that history is all about hate/utter contempt/dehumanization.

I haven't been able to see it for the same reason. And I agree with what else you're saying. If he's bringing up lynchings and making light of murder and hate crimes, he's an idiot douche.

And cracker can absolutely sound hateful. Like you said, it's all intent.

 

[rykertest]

I haven't been able to see it for the same reason. And I agree with what else you're saying. If he's bringing up lynchings and making light of murder and hate crimes, he's an idiot douche.

And cracker can absolutely sound hateful. Like you said, it's all intent.

Unless you are eating soup, cracker is meant as an insult.