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Michael Richards a.k.a. Kramer from Seinfeld goes on Racial Tirade, caught on tape!

Lestat said:
compassion for others = white guilt?

So slaved were sold into slavery by other Africans, so that gives the buyers a a free pass? You are dealing with PEOPLE here, it doesn't matter who is selling, I'm more concerned with WHO IS BUYING.


I think we should pity the Jews more, since they were slaves for longer. Hell, I think all we should ever do is live in the past.
 
Re: Michael Richards a.k.a. Kramer from Seinfeld goes on Racial Tirade, caught on tap

I think cracker/honkey is the equivilant of the N-bomb. As in it is absolutley fucking ABSURD to give a word so much power to hurt. Words are nothing but a frequency that comes out of our mouths interrupted in others ear drums.

Now I could see, of saying either word could shatter their ear drums and make them infertile for life ya okay, don't say it. But America needs to get the fuck over itself on the PC'ed bull shit that is soaked up up to the waist.

Why should I feel guilty that ancestors killed/ensalved others ancestors? I'm white but have Native American blood in me, so should I hate myself for killing millions of my ancestors and turn around and feel guilty? I also have African on one side of the line far back, so should I do the same as above, both ways?

I have Irish in me, so should I hate the British part in me? I have French in me, so should I hate the German part in me?

My mom has traced my ancestors back to the 1400's or so. As she told me, I am a bottle of V8, a little bit of everything in me. I owe no one a debt for my ancestors, as they do not owe me.
 
Re: Michael Richards a.k.a. Kramer from Seinfeld goes on Racial Tirade, caught on tap

Dial_tone said:
Ok, lemme see if I can find something, but internet stats are pretty questionable.
Slavery going WAY WAY back generally works like this. One big bad army takes kicks ass, and sells the survivors into slavery.
US puplic ed would tell you that white bread americans are the sole inventor and cause of slavery, but it just aint so.
 
I'm sure it's not the first time he's been heckled by uncivil types
a buddy of mine from college is a very successful pro comic
makes about 8 thousand per show
I stayed with him and his family in st louis recently and he had a heckling story he shared
they get tired of it but most pro comics are quick enough "on their feet" to handle the typical jack-off, even if there's groups of them
 
Re: Michael Richards a.k.a. Kramer from Seinfeld goes on Racial Tirade, caught on tap

slat1 said:
Turn about is fair play.
As soon as they called him a "cracker" while they were heckling him none of what he said was off limits.
They heckled him. He heckled them.

You said it bro...........
 
Lestat said:
Maybe if the people calling white people cracker had enslaved whites, tortured the men, raped the women, and lynched men women and children for years they wouldbe close, but as it stands now its not even close.

Nigger carries with it a whole host of connotations, its not just an insult, its an implication that african americans are not humans on the same level as the rest of mankind.

What about men calling women bitches? Men have oppressed women for millennia. Whites in the upper classes have oppressed whites in the lower classes for far longer than either oppressed black people. Yet calling people trailor trash or harassing people for being low status isn't considered an insult. As KB said, this is just oversensitivity and massive double standards.
 
Re: Michael Richards a.k.a. Kramer from Seinfeld goes on Racial Tirade, caught on tap

Dial_tone said:
Ok, this is alot of reading, but heres the gist of what I was trying to say:

The later European or Transatlantic slave trade from Africa to the Americas originated around 1500, during the early period of European discovery of West Africa and the establishment of Atlantic colonies in the Caribbean, South and North America when growing sugar cane (and a few other crops) was found to be a lucrative enterprise. Slaves were usually captured by African tribes in raids or open warfare or purchased from other African tribes. Many tribes were happy to get rid of their enemies by capturing and selling them for trade goods--usually whiskey, swords, guns and gold. Whole tribes were often captured and sold not just the warriors. [8] A large number of slaves in the Atlantic slave trade were transported from what is now Guinea, the Congo, Angola and other parts of West Africa. It is believed that about 11 million men, women and children were transported in ships across the Atlantic to various ports in the New World--mostly to Brazil and the islands in the Caribbean from 1500 to 1850. Far from docilely accepting their imprisonment, a few transported Africans actively resisted the brutality of their captors. African slaves are known to have engaged in at least 250 shipboard rebellions during the period of the transatlantic crossings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

I'm not trying to defend anybody, I'm just saying that in this country I think there is blame being passed that shouldn't be. Slavery has a long ugly history, long before white peeps set foot in the new world.
 
Re: Michael Richards a.k.a. Kramer from Seinfeld goes on Racial Tirade, caught on tap

Dial_tone said:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_slave_trade

All three slave-trading routes tapped into local trading patterns. Europeans or Arabs in Africa very rarely mounted expeditions to capture slaves. It was far easier and more common to make use of existing black African middlemen and slave traders. Slavery has long been present in Africa for millennia, as some say it is still today even with children, though some historians prefer to describe African slavery as feudalism, arguing it was more like the system that controlled the peasantry of Western Europe during the Middle Ages or Russia into the 19th century than slavery as it was practiced in the Americas.[8]

The slaves came from many different sources. About half came from the societies that sold them. These might be criminals, heretics, the mentally ill, the indebted and any others that had fallen out of favour with the rulers. Most came from captured tribes in inter-tribal warfare. Little is known about the details of practices before the arrival of Europeans, and so it is difficult to tell if the number of people considered as undesirables was artificially increased to provide more slaves for export. It is believed that capital punishment and human sacrifice in the region nearly disappeared since prisoners became far too valuable to dispose of in such a way.[9]

Another source of slaves, comprising about half the total, came from military conquests of other states or tribes. It has long been contended that the slave trade greatly increased violence and warfare in the region due to the pursuit of slaves, but it is hard to provide evidence to prove this; warfare was certainly common even before slave hunting had added such an extra inducement.[10]
 
Re: Michael Richards a.k.a. Kramer from Seinfeld goes on Racial Tirade, caught on tap

jnevin said:
My family came here from N. Ireland when my parents were young. My ancestors didn't do shit but work and get on with life in a positive fashion. Trust me, cracker has every bit of meaning and significance that nigger does. I don't understand how people can think that hate only means something if it comes from white folks. It's horrible either way.

Good stuff bro

My grandparents came over from Italy and "worked" to make a life for themselves and future generations.

I have/had NOTHING to do with slavery, so I don't feel that same Lestat "guilt" that he feels.

And I've been called things JUST AS BAD as nigger, so excuse me if the "N" word doesn't cause me to feel any worse than any other derrogatory comment would.
 
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