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OK, good news and bad news.
Good news is, I got blood drawn today, so I will have new bloodwork results soon. I should have the Total T results tomorrow or Monday, whereas the rest of the hormone panel might take a week or two, since I ordered the rest through my Dr. who is always booked solid weeks in advance. At least we will be able to look at the Total T and see how LGD affected my natural T levels in the approx. 3 weeks that I took it.
The bad news is, I think this is the end of this LGD cycle for now. I may do another cycle later, but I feel too crappy. This LGD stuff makes me feel overall worse than I felt before starting on it. Basically I'm gaining weight but it's like a constant struggle to force myself to go to the gym, I just feel tired and hungry all the time. I can't stop eating, this stuff makes me feel like a pig. My belly is getting bigger and I'm tired all day. Yes I think I'm getting strength gains from it, but at what cost? I feel so crappy and my cardio has gotten worse, not better.
I suspect what we'll see in my labs is that LGD probably suppressed my T levels down to levels that are so low they are making me feel like crap. I already had low T to begin with so maybe this stuff is not for me, or maybe I should use a lower dosage next time, or combine it with more supportive chemicals to keep my T levels healthy. This is a guess, we will see what the labs show soon!
Bottom line, even though I got some strength gains, I feel so crappy that I need to take a break from it and try to get back to feeling normal again. I can't function like this, too hungry, irritable, tired, depressed, etc. Besides, I said in the beginning I was going to try a 3 week cycle, and it has been 3 weeks, and I HAVE gained a few pounds of muscle, so it's not like this was a waste of time. I'm just done with it for now, I need to switch gears for a while.
IF I do another LGD cycle I am thinking I'd try it at 1mg ED instead of 5mg. As far as I know there have been no human studies done with 5mg ED and maybe it's doing something harmful to my body. I'll probably stay on the GW-501516 because I have never had anything but positive effects from taking that stuff, but no more LGD or S4 for now, I'm going to do a PCT and see if I can get back to feeling normal again and enjoying life. I feel like the last 3 weeks have been a struggle.
Another thing that scared me a little was I went back and re-read the study out there where they did human trials with LGD-4033 at 1mg ED. Previously when I read the study and saw how much it suppressed the test subjects' T levels, I was looking at the Free Testosterone levels, and thought those were the TOTAL testosterone levels. So I misunderstood the graph and it looked like the suppression was pretty minor. But no, I looked again and this time read the graphs right, and the Total T suppression was something like 300 ng/dL, very significant! That's like, 3/4 of the T levels I started with! If it suppresses my levels that much, that doesn't leave me with much T in my system AT ALL. That could make me really feel like crap. Anyway, I probably need to keep pursuing with my endo to try and figure out why my T levels are low anyway before experimenting any more with LGD (for example, we have not done a brain MRI yet, I could have a pituitary tumor).
Good news is, I got blood drawn today, so I will have new bloodwork results soon. I should have the Total T results tomorrow or Monday, whereas the rest of the hormone panel might take a week or two, since I ordered the rest through my Dr. who is always booked solid weeks in advance. At least we will be able to look at the Total T and see how LGD affected my natural T levels in the approx. 3 weeks that I took it.
The bad news is, I think this is the end of this LGD cycle for now. I may do another cycle later, but I feel too crappy. This LGD stuff makes me feel overall worse than I felt before starting on it. Basically I'm gaining weight but it's like a constant struggle to force myself to go to the gym, I just feel tired and hungry all the time. I can't stop eating, this stuff makes me feel like a pig. My belly is getting bigger and I'm tired all day. Yes I think I'm getting strength gains from it, but at what cost? I feel so crappy and my cardio has gotten worse, not better.
I suspect what we'll see in my labs is that LGD probably suppressed my T levels down to levels that are so low they are making me feel like crap. I already had low T to begin with so maybe this stuff is not for me, or maybe I should use a lower dosage next time, or combine it with more supportive chemicals to keep my T levels healthy. This is a guess, we will see what the labs show soon!
Bottom line, even though I got some strength gains, I feel so crappy that I need to take a break from it and try to get back to feeling normal again. I can't function like this, too hungry, irritable, tired, depressed, etc. Besides, I said in the beginning I was going to try a 3 week cycle, and it has been 3 weeks, and I HAVE gained a few pounds of muscle, so it's not like this was a waste of time. I'm just done with it for now, I need to switch gears for a while.
IF I do another LGD cycle I am thinking I'd try it at 1mg ED instead of 5mg. As far as I know there have been no human studies done with 5mg ED and maybe it's doing something harmful to my body. I'll probably stay on the GW-501516 because I have never had anything but positive effects from taking that stuff, but no more LGD or S4 for now, I'm going to do a PCT and see if I can get back to feeling normal again and enjoying life. I feel like the last 3 weeks have been a struggle.
Another thing that scared me a little was I went back and re-read the study out there where they did human trials with LGD-4033 at 1mg ED. Previously when I read the study and saw how much it suppressed the test subjects' T levels, I was looking at the Free Testosterone levels, and thought those were the TOTAL testosterone levels. So I misunderstood the graph and it looked like the suppression was pretty minor. But no, I looked again and this time read the graphs right, and the Total T suppression was something like 300 ng/dL, very significant! That's like, 3/4 of the T levels I started with! If it suppresses my levels that much, that doesn't leave me with much T in my system AT ALL. That could make me really feel like crap. Anyway, I probably need to keep pursuing with my endo to try and figure out why my T levels are low anyway before experimenting any more with LGD (for example, we have not done a brain MRI yet, I could have a pituitary tumor).
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testiclats
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One more note, I am now 201 lbs, so I have gained approx. 11 pounds in the last 3 weeks. Don't know how much of it is fat, muscle, water, etc. I have one of those handheld body fat percentage meters that use electricity but they really aren't very accurate.
Some of it is probably muscle, but my waist is 2 inches larger than when I started so I gained some fat as well
Some of it is probably muscle, but my waist is 2 inches larger than when I started so I gained some fat as well
Currently running LGD @ 5 mg per day, energy levels are great and actually raised throughout the day. I have been eating a calorie surplus diet, but good quality wholefood and definately gained bodyfat. Bloat is noticable on LGD, however im running LGD standalone, zero cardio whilst on cycle and the weight gains expected - however the strength gains have been insane this week.
Definately noticed libido taking a dive once upped dosage from 3mg, also the gonads are slightly smaller.........but have all the required supps and solid pct dialled so not too fussed.
Definately noticed libido taking a dive once upped dosage from 3mg, also the gonads are slightly smaller.........but have all the required supps and solid pct dialled so not too fussed.
testiclats
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Well I feel how I feel, since starting it I have gained muscle but I feel crappy, why? Who knows. Maybe the bloodwork will point to what is going on. I don't see any point going longer than 3 weeks though unless I figure out why I feel so crappy. If I stop taking it and I still feel crappy then at least I'll know it was something else.
It still has been useful, I have made strength gains since I started taking it and I can tell my chest and biceps are bigger. I wish I had taken bicep and chest measurements before I started. Also got some PR's in the gym so it has shown it anabolic effects.
I still have tons of it left, I can always run another cycle later if I figure out what's going on with my body.
It still has been useful, I have made strength gains since I started taking it and I can tell my chest and biceps are bigger. I wish I had taken bicep and chest measurements before I started. Also got some PR's in the gym so it has shown it anabolic effects.
I still have tons of it left, I can always run another cycle later if I figure out what's going on with my body.
Mr.GoodNice
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The important thing here is that you're listening to your body and making the best decision for your wellbeing. I think it's more courageous to know when to walk away versus trying to muster up bravado to break a PR with possible ill repercussions. Well done.
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Just an update - I dragged my ass to the gym tonight even though I felt like shit warmed over. I ended up having a great workout. I got 3rd place on today's scoreboard at my gym out of about 25 men, and the 2 guys who did better than me are both guys who work out a LOT more than I do (one of them is the TRAINER, and the other is a guy who works out 2 or 3 times a day), so I was pretty happy about that... Basically I was neck and neck with guys who are usually in a different league than me. I also was able to do 5 bar muscle-ups in a row, which is a new PR for me, most I have done in the past is 3 in a row. They almost felt easy today, like oh, muscle up? No biggie... Yeah I felt STRONG today.
All the evidence seems to point to LGD-4033 getting me strength gains. I just don't feel comfortable staying on it any longer until I figure out what is going on with my energy levels, mood, libido, headaches, bad sleep, constant hunger pangs, etc. which have all been pretty bad lately. Hey who knows, maybe the LGD had nothing to do with these problems, but until I do some more digging with the help of my doctor I'm going to lay off it for a while. But I think all other health indicators aside, I think we can definitely say that LGD helped me put on muscle and get measurably stronger in 3 weeks, and that is significant IMO.
I've got a nice stash of LGD sitting in my fridge if I ever want to run another cycle
I think if you consider how often I went to the gym during the 3 weeks I ran LGD, my strength gains are pretty hard to argue with, I am convinced the LGD works. It's not just the PR's, I can feel my chest and arms are harder, my T-shirts fit tighter around the chest and shoulders, etc. Even in only 3 weeks.
All the evidence seems to point to LGD-4033 getting me strength gains. I just don't feel comfortable staying on it any longer until I figure out what is going on with my energy levels, mood, libido, headaches, bad sleep, constant hunger pangs, etc. which have all been pretty bad lately. Hey who knows, maybe the LGD had nothing to do with these problems, but until I do some more digging with the help of my doctor I'm going to lay off it for a while. But I think all other health indicators aside, I think we can definitely say that LGD helped me put on muscle and get measurably stronger in 3 weeks, and that is significant IMO.
I've got a nice stash of LGD sitting in my fridge if I ever want to run another cycle
I think if you consider how often I went to the gym during the 3 weeks I ran LGD, my strength gains are pretty hard to argue with, I am convinced the LGD works. It's not just the PR's, I can feel my chest and arms are harder, my T-shirts fit tighter around the chest and shoulders, etc. Even in only 3 weeks.testiclats
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I have a theory, let me see if this makes sense to you guys... Since I have some kind of secondary hypogonadism issue where my T levels are naturally low to begin with, due to low LH levels, is it possible that the reason I have trouble on LGD is because with my T levels already low, the extra suppression caused by LGD is enough to make me feel like crap?
Or to put it another way, let's use an example, say someone with normal, healthy T levels has a natural T level of 800 ng/dL to begin with, then they start taking LGD-4033. Let's say the LGD suppresses their T levels by 300 ng/dL, like it did in the human trials. That would take them down to 500 ng/dL. That's lower, but still not terrible, still within the "normal" range.
Now let's take ME. When I started this log, my T level was only around 465. If LGD-4033 lowered my T levels by 300 ng/dL, that would leave me at 165 ng/dL, which is far below the bottom of the "normal" range. Maybe this is why I feel so down in the dumps lately, and some guys are taking LGD-4033 and feeling great?
It's just a theory, and we will have bloodwork very soon, which will either back up this theory or disprove it, right? If I'm lucky I'll have the total T test results tomorrow or Monday. The complete hormone panel will come back around Nov. 2 when my next endo appointment is.
I wish more guys who are testing LGD-4033 on themselves would get bloodwork done so we could compare notes as to how much suppression people are really getting when they take this stuff. Not just guesswork like "my nuts don't feel smaller" etc., actual data would be nice.
Or to put it another way, let's use an example, say someone with normal, healthy T levels has a natural T level of 800 ng/dL to begin with, then they start taking LGD-4033. Let's say the LGD suppresses their T levels by 300 ng/dL, like it did in the human trials. That would take them down to 500 ng/dL. That's lower, but still not terrible, still within the "normal" range.
Now let's take ME. When I started this log, my T level was only around 465. If LGD-4033 lowered my T levels by 300 ng/dL, that would leave me at 165 ng/dL, which is far below the bottom of the "normal" range. Maybe this is why I feel so down in the dumps lately, and some guys are taking LGD-4033 and feeling great?
It's just a theory, and we will have bloodwork very soon, which will either back up this theory or disprove it, right?
If I'm lucky I'll have the total T test results tomorrow or Monday. The complete hormone panel will come back around Nov. 2 when my next endo appointment is.I wish more guys who are testing LGD-4033 on themselves would get bloodwork done so we could compare notes as to how much suppression people are really getting when they take this stuff. Not just guesswork like "my nuts don't feel smaller" etc., actual data would be nice.
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