LGD-4033 log

[testiclats]

Well I had planned on using HCG for PCT, but the HCG I had ordered will take longer than I thought to get here.

So, I am using what I have on hand - Triptorelin. Pinned 100 mcg last night. By the next morning I already feel more like myself again. It's funny, you can kind of see my testosterone level in my face, when my T is running low my face looks different, softer, more puffy. By morning I look like my T is normal or high already. I don't know how many of you have used this before for PCT but I used it about a year ago and it worked really well for me. I'll post new bloods after a few weeks but I'm sure this will get things started back up.

Last time I used triptorelin it brought my T levels to around 900 ng/dL within a couple weeks, then after about 2 months it tapered off to around 500 ng/dL which is a pretty normal level for my body. I need to get my body fat % down lower, I think I could naturally maintain a higher T level if I do that.

I used to be 60 pounds heavier with something like 26% body fat and at that point, my natural T level stayed around 250 ng/dL. At 14% body fat it would naturally stay around 500 ng/dL without having to take meds. So I can tell body fat % makes a big difference. Losing 12% body fat resulted in double the testosterone level without taking meds for it.

So, there may be something wrong with my pituitary or hypothalamus, or maybe I just need to be leaner to sustain a higher T level. Dunno.

 

[testiclats]

Oh hey one more thing I wanted to mention about my LGD experience:

I never had any gyno issues or any feelings of puffy or sensitive nipples while on LGD. I worried about that, but it didn't happen at all. I have had gyno before as a teenager, for unknown reasons, it went away after while, so I was worried I would get it easier. But it doesn't seem like LGD causes any gyno. Just wanted to mention this.

 

[FlexManning]

So if I have this straight, your results with LGD-4033 have been good as far as strength, bad as far as energy and motivation, and you've had blood work done which shows that in your case LGD-4033 has caused a pretty significant shutdown?

Interesting. This is really interesting stuff- a guy who doesn't use AAS logging LGD-4033 and getting legitimate bloodwork.

 

[testiclats]

Yeah I would have to say LGD at 5mg/day causes a very significant shutdown, for me we are talking 85% reduction of total T after 3 weeks. Isn't this just as big a shutdown as you get from AAS?

As for bloods I tend to keep a close eye on my T levels and have them checked on a regular basis because I have had issues with secondary hypogonadism for years now, for unknown reasons. I am probably going to have a brain MRI soon to check for any pituitary or hypothalamus tumors, or empty sella, etc.

But I have never used AAS, the closest thing I've done is HCG, clomid, and tamoxifen. Never used HCG at high doses though, and my issues with low T started long before I tried any of those things, hell I tried those BECAUSE I had low T.

What we have established so far is that my T levels are very dependent on my body fat level, but even at what I consider a relatively healthy level of 14%, my natural T levels are not great, around 500. So there may be more trouble brewing somewhere.

On the bloodwork I had done just before starting LGD, all my other levels looked really good, cholesterol numbers were all perfect, nothing really obvious stuck out, just that my T was on the low end of normal, as was my LH which points to secondary hypo.

Anyway, just some background info there.

 

[FlexManning]

This is an excellent thread. I'm glad posted on this.

 

[FlexManning]

I wonder how you'd do on say ostarine with maybe small doses of exemestane due to the possible slight rise in estrogen.

 

[testiclats]

I tried ostarine once before but I wasn't very scientific about it. I wasn't sure if it helped but it seemed to help with strength gains, it's wasn't really obvious to me like LGD was. It was hard to tell whether the ostarine was doing much, because I was so untrained when I started working out and taking ostarine, so a lot of my strength gains were probably due to improved nervous system function. You know how when you first start lifting weights after not lifting for years, you get strong really fast, and it's too fast to be caused by muscle growth, it's due to other factors. Anyway I didn't notice any shutdown with ostarine, it must be pretty minimal if any, but I didn't do before and after bloods with ostarine so I don't have any useful data.

 

[testiclats]

Just a little update:

I'm 5 days into my PCT so far and to be honest, I feel really good. So far I'm on Tamoxifen and I took a shot of Triptorelin for a "fast pct" / restart. Could feel the difference right away. For those who haven't heard of or tried triptorelin for PCT, it is pretty interesting stuff. I don't really understand why it works with just 1 dose but it does.

For the last 5 days I have been eating really clean, no more intense hunger, and I've dropped 6 pounds and lost a little under an inch on my waist. There must have been some significant water retention on LGD or perhaps this was a result of the lower testosterone. My face also no longer looks puffy, it was starting to look puffy after 3 weeks on LGD. Strength gains so far have stayed. In fact I'm stronger this week than I was last week, and my endurance is back now that my T levels are better. And wearing my old workout shirt, the sleeves are tighter, my biceps feel like they are bulging out of the shirt. It's just a small difference but I can feel it for sure.

Joint pain has also gone away and I feel more flexible / less stiff. Everything feels so much better. I actually ran 6 miles after Monday's workout and would have run 3 more but I have to take it easy on my Achilles injury (which happened during the LGD cycle, as did a minor flare up of pain in my shoulder, probably a small rotator cuff injury).

I think in the future if I could run LGD while keeping my T levels within a healthy range, I would be a lot more happy with it. So basically better on-cycle support and test boosters, maybe I'd drop the dose down a little, get bloods mid-cycle to see if I'm getting shut down too much, etc. Just a thought. Seems like I would feel like a total beast if I was running LGD with healthy T levels at the same time.