Lets c if this ends the Chest debate...

[gettinlarger]

IF EVERY BODYBUILDER THAT EVER WALKED THE PLANET USES INCLINES THAN WHY WOULDN'T YOU?

and there have been many EMG studies done which state that inclines do stimulate the "upper" chest slightly more than flat.

But how you work out is a personal choice...so if you don't want to do them because you don't think they are necessary to build your upper chest...THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

the mans a goddamned genius.

 

[Imnotdutch]

maybe this will end the debate ...

the pec is one muscle ...

any incline or decline whatsoever ... will still work the pec!!

And the muscle has several heads....so in theory isn't it possible to favour one head over the other depending upon the exercise used?

 

[MarshallPenniford]

heads/muscles - you can use them interchangeably I believe. Fair to say that the pectoralis group has 3 muscles in total.

BTW - Not everybody is born with both the clavicular and sternocostal portion.

 

[gettinlarger]

ok, this may not be the same for everyone ... but ...

if i do declines, i can feel pump in my upper chest as well as my lower chest, and vice versa with inclines. and flat.

 

[strong island]

heads/muscles - you can use them interchangeably I believe. Fair to say that the pectoralis group has 3 muscles in total.

BTW - Not everybody is born with both the clavicular and sternocostal portion.

Pectoralis Major is one muscle with two heads.(like the biceps brachii)

Here are variations from Gray:
"Variations.—The more frequent variations are greater or less extent of attachment to the ribs and sternum, varying size of the abdominal part or its absence, greater or less extent of separation of sternocostal and clavicular parts, fusion of clavicular part with deltoid, decussation in front of the sternum. Deficiency or absence of the sternocostal part is not uncommon. Absence of the clavicular part is less frequent. Rarely the whole muscle is wanting."

 

[strong island]

ok, this may not be the same for everyone ... but ...

if i do declines, i can feel pump in my upper chest as well as my lower chest, and vice versa with inclines. and flat.

You are not going to ISOLATE a part of the muscle. The debate was about if one could EMPHASIZE the upper head with inclines.

 

[coolcolj]

Guys think about it

if a muccle has one common insertion point from a single tendon at either end, then you can't change ther overall shape or stress certain fibres more than the others. Ie a Bicep.

The pec is not one of those muscles. Each fibre in the pec fans out from oneside to the other. All fibres do not share a common insertion at one end. So there is pretty damn good chance certain fibres can be empahsised over others!

And also remeber some very lean guys display a split between the upper and lower sections of the pec - so what's up with that?

 

[strong island]

Guys think about it

if a muccle has one common insertion point from a single tendon at either end, then you can't change ther overall shape or stress certain fibres more than the others. Ie a Bicep.

The pec is not one of those muscles. Each fibre in the pec fans out from oneside to the other. All fibres do not share a common insertion at one end. So there is pretty damn good chance certain fibres can be empahsised over others!

And also remeber some very lean guys display a split between the upper and lower sections of the pec - so what's up with that?

Just so the terminology is correct...you should replace the word insertion with origin.

Because the fibers "all end in a flat tendon, about 5 cm. broad, which is inserted into the crest of the greater tubercle of the humerus."(Gray)

 

[MarshallPenniford]

Strong - You'll see head and muscle used interchangeably in the medical community. There is nothing incorrect about saying that the biceps brachii is a muscle group composed of two muscles.

 

[needsize]

Vortexx, leuk om je weer te zien hoor.

I have never seen a man develop nice fully rounded pecs from just flat benches. The angle of the motion appears to be quite important. I also agree however that there seems to be a genetic factor as well. Some fellows get that droopy tit look even though they do inclines as part of their regualar workout and there are others that are much careful about doing different movements and have far better pecs.

I am a woman that has C-level breasts so i cannot see my lower pecs anyway. After several years of flat benching only i still saw rather little beef above my boobs even while i could bench then about 190 or so. Five more years of concentrating on inclines and i now see MUCH more thickness at my sternum. My flat bench is up to around 260 now. Inclines helped my thickness obviously but they also i belive helped me to add quite a lot to my flat bench by making stronger the upper area of the pecs.

Glad to see you over here on the training board.
You never cease to impress me, if only more women trained like you....