Alright guys so I reply haven't updated in a while but my results have been amazing. I look way better in shirts and I would say that this combo has shrunk about 80% of what I was dealing with. I have now started to cycle off of this protocol and continue with forma for the next few weeks. I am down to .75 mg letro and .35 pram I will continue to slowly taper off . If anyone has been thinking about trying this, give it a shot. You have nothing to lose and a lot to gain. Just be sure to inform your wife that u will not be interested for a little while, as my sex drive is not that great. If attacked its doable, but u probably won't be the aggressor lol. You will be a little lethargic especially at higher dosesbut it has been totally worth it for me. I will continue to update once a week from now on. Give NEEDTO a shout man, super easy to work with.