Is this self defense or murder?

[Stefka]

That's nice that you don't believe that. When they change THE LAW, then you'll be correct in your belief and have a point in the eyes of the law. As it is now, it IS right for them to barge in etc... They had a warrant.

Where is the confusion? Let's not think with our emotions here, people.

I'm gonna FUCK EVERYONE IN THE ASS RIGHT NOW!

The college kid/pot dealer was the same. They had a warrant. They were just being all Ranger-like and sneaky and didn’t say they were police.

There are a lot of times when police raid a building without announcing that they are cops.

Usually we don’t hear about it or don’t care about the person who was busted.

This kid was like a year away from graduating from (I think A&M) and being a normal functioning member of society.
Instead he has spent 2/3 of his life in jail.
By the time he dies he will have probably spent over 3/4 of his life in jail.
He shouldn’t have been selling pot.
He shouldn’t have bought a gun (legally).
But still, he shouldn’t have to spend most of his life in jail over this.

 

[big_bad_buff]

That's nice that you don't believe that. When they change THE LAW, then you'll be correct in your belief and have a point in the eyes of the law. As it is now, it IS right for them to barge in etc... They had a warrant.

Where is the confusion? Let's not think with our emotions here, people.

I'm gonna FUCK EVERYONE IN THE ASS RIGHT NOW!

regardless of law and warrant, look at it in his eyes if everything he is saying is true....you wake up to your door being smashed in and people running through your house. you have two small children. What do you do just being awoken to this chaos and not know what's going on? Hope it's the police?

if they came through downstairs yelling police and he's upstairs asleep with the door shut you expect him to hear them?

the only way this guy should be convicted of anything is if he is psycho and heard them saying they were police and pulled his gun trying to protect his stash....

regardless, they are going to outlaw guns soon anyways, it's fate, disarm the people, make them easier to control by your government and police state.

 

[MorganKane]

Something like this happened in Texas like 30 years ago. A college student/small time pot dealer got robbed. He went out and bought a gun. A couple of weeks later his house was raided by Texas Rangers. They didn't identify themselves as cops and he thought he was being robbed again. So he pulled out his gun and shot one of the guys. The Ranger died. The kid swore he didnt know they were police. And technically it was self defense, as in Texas you can totally kill people who break into your house. But a simple "I'm sorry I thought I was being robbed" didnt work for the kid. He is still in jail. He's lucky he didnt get the the death penalty. Poor kid.

totally bullshit story.
They did identify them self.
Thats why the criminal went to jail.

 

[nefertiti]

The search warrant. Any other questions?

If you don't like the laws, vchange them. That's what they say. But don't say it's illegal or whatever. Let's talk facts.

For the record, the search warrant was not valid and the cops had no legal right to bust into the home in the manner they did....so says the article.

The sequestered jurors were not told that Parasiris' charter rights were violated by Laval police officers when they burst into his Brossard home -- the warrant police used had been declared illegal.

Superior Court Justice Guy Cournoyer had declared the warrant illegal in motions heard before the trial began in March.

He lashed out at the Laval police for failing to be thorough, saying they did not prove their suspicion that Parasiris was dealing cocaine and they failed to act within the confines of the warrant in entering the home before 6 a.m. Additionally, he said they had no grounds to forcefully enter the home and should have rung the doorbell.

 

[gonelifting]

OK I was drunk yesterday and said innappropriate things. I am truly sorry for everything. No, I don't want to bang everyone in the ass. That was uncalled for.

I do agree people should 'defend' themselves and their families. Hell, I have a wife and 2 kids myself. Of course i would want to do the same. I was just looking at it from the legal standpoint.

#1 they had a warrant to be there, whether we agree with that law or not, they had it and used it.

#2 We must assume proper procedure was maintained unless otherwise posted. If they came in yelling "POLICE.. Down on the gorund..." then they did the right thing. Can you imagine every bust ending up with a cop shot because they "came into my house"? Yes, that's what they do. It's done every day, we just hear about the ones that backfired like this.

If any other facts come out of the case, then things might change, but as it is, I see the cop didn't deserve to get shot.


Where's HR and those pics! wtf.

 

[Smurfy]

i agree with gonelifting as usual

 

[gonelifting]

i agree with gonelifting as usual

Oh shit, I swear I posted on the other thread before I saw this. ha

 

[nefertiti]

Please see my post about the warrant being illegal....

 

[NickyE3]

self-defense no doubt

 

[gonelifting]

For the record, the search warrant was not valid and the cops had no legal right to bust into the home in the manner they did....so says the article.

This possibly changes things a bit.

It seems the result may hinge on this. I don't know.

I'll use a bad analogy... If you get pulled over for speeding, but you weren't speeding, does that mean you shouldn't listen to the Policeman's orders to "get out of the car" or whatever he may ask you, just because you "weren't speeding"?