I'm going to try DoggCrapp Training...!

[Debaser]

Call it Dante training then if you want

Anyway louden said this but it is VERY IMPORTANT.

To paraphrase DC, EVERYTHING goes together, that means his diet, training and stretches. Do not just do bits and parts of the program as you can fail like that. If you give it an honest shot, I can guarantee that you'll like the results. sofageorge thaibox and others we look forward to you posting on the DC sticky, we can answer any questions there.

 

[louden_swain]

Make sure that all warmups are light and NEVER take them to failure.

I typically use a 10,5,3 type of rep scheme in warmups. Save the energy for your reps on the main building set.

 

[SofaGeorge]

Do not just do bits and parts of the program as you can fail like that.

God, when I start seeing things like that I feel somebody is making excuses for why the program didn't work before I even started it.

 

[collegiateLifter]

For anyone who starts this be sure to read everything carefully.

The diet, extreme stretching, rest pause, static holds, and negatives are essential for this program to work.

I know you are actually doin the program right now and i can respect that, but i recall that static holds and even to an extent negatives are extras, with diet, ext. stretching and RP's making up the core of the program.

 

[casualbb]

I would even go so far as to say the statics and extended negs are detrimental. Recovery is limited not so much by volume but the extreme failure to which the muscle is taken.

Unfortunately, in the relentless pursuit of "intensity," people are going beyond concentric failure, beyond even isometric failure, to eccentric failure. Kiss your CNS goodbye. I would wager if you dropped the holds and negatives you could train at least twice a week and keep all gains, if not improve them.

-casualbb

 

[he-man]

If you do a squat set right ...you most likely will not be able to RP the set...just do a straight set...I just do the high rep set ...though may add the low rep+ high rep....but I di one set of squat last night ...hit 18 reps...had to lay down on the floor for around 10 minutes...no way to rp it...

As for a static hold...take bench as an example I unlock my elbows about 3-4 inches and just hold the weight in that position until I can't do it anymore.... If you train with someone , maybe you would like to hold it 4-6 inches off your chest ....the trick is to find and area of the exeercise that causes a lot of tension on the muscle being worked...but you have to be safe about it, if you do the bottom portion of a bench or legpress, how you gonna get it back up?

if you read the more info link on the DC sticky you'll see this quote - "Some exercises involving legs and some back rowing exercises don't allow themselves to rest pause too well" it can still be done though. as far as only using portions of the DC training - i have been using the r/p portion as well as the stretching exercises. if you know enough about lifting your already on a good diet - i just added an extra meal each day and you should already know the importance of stretching. all this is not a big mystery. overall i love the program - i'm up to 231 as of today.

 

[louden_swain]

I know you are actually doin the program right now and i can respect that, but i recall that static holds and even to an extent negatives are extras, with diet, ext. stretching and RP's making up the core of the program.

I don't see the point in using this program if these techniques are not included. To me that is not putting 100 percent effort.

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

I have to agree with casual in that the core is the increased strength thru rest pauses, coupled with the diet and extreme stretching. Thats of utmost importance.
I cringe when i see someone say--Ive been doing 5x5 for 4 weeks and now im going to try HST or DC for 4 weeks to see if it works. Four weeks? I know my methods work and I know HST works and I dont know much about it through and through but Im pretty sure 5x5 is working for people--but 4 weeks isnt enough time to see if something is working or not. Christ it takes people 6-15 years to put on huge amounts of muscle mass yet people are jumping from program to program every 4 weeks. I would like to hear from the other trainers on this board but I will say definitely that every person who comes to me (to train them) who hasnt gained for awhile thinks its their training system thats the problem (and some enhanced people think they have fake drugs) VERY RARELY IS IT THE TRAINING--Nine times out of ten its diet! I cant make a 250lb bodybuilder out of a 200lb bodybuilder who is eating like a 180lb bodybuilder. My methods DEFINITELY (and probaly every other method) wont work unless someone is doing the neccessary things according to diet. I have no qualms stating that at all. If you think you can do my methods eating a bowl of applejacks in the morning, a peanut butter and jelly sandwhich for lunch and a can of ravioli for dinner and succeed--its not going to happen. I dont want people to jump on this DC bandwagon because theres alot of people liking it. Get your diet in check first as thats priority number one--the make or break of it. When thats done take one of these protocols (mine, HST, 5x5 or whatever) and after reading about each one and its merits make a choice and give it a solid 3-6 month run fullout. As sad as this is to say I am trying to sway too many people from using my methods because I know Im going to get people who triple what I tell them to do and overtrain, or eat like a 145lb marathon runner, or just do it half ass looking for a miracle. The local people I show this too --god it takes me sometimes 2 weeks to get them on the right track and then they get into their groove and take off up the bodybuilding ladder.....its 50 times tougher than that trying to type all this out on message boards.

 

[JohnyJuice]

Alot of good points on this thread. I would have to say the one thing i am guilty of occasionally is forgetting to do a stretch. I usually remember to do it after i have already done another excercise, so i do 2 stretches in a row. As far as eating, i am on top of that. I am eating so much protien (probably around 300 grams a day) that it seems most of my diet is meat and eggs and powder. Oh well, price you pay i guess. I think i will eat some ice cream actually. Right now. yeah...ice cream

 

[SofaGeorge]

I have to agree with casual in that the core is the increased strength thru rest pauses, coupled with the diet and extreme stretching. Thats of utmost importance.
I cringe when i see someone say--Ive been doing 5x5 for 4 weeks and now im going to try HST or DC for 4 weeks to see if it works. Four weeks? I know my methods work and I know HST works and I dont know much about it through and through but Im pretty sure 5x5 is working for people--but 4 weeks isnt enough time to see if something is working or not. Christ it takes people 6-15 years to put on huge amounts of muscle mass yet people are jumping from program to program every 4 weeks. I would like to hear from the other trainers on this board but I will say definitely that every person who comes to me (to train them) who hasnt gained for awhile thinks its their training system thats the problem (and some enhanced people think they have fake drugs) VERY RARELY IS IT THE TRAINING--Nine times out of ten its diet! I cant make a 250lb bodybuilder out of a 200lb bodybuilder who is eating like a 180lb bodybuilder. My methods DEFINITELY (and probaly every other method) wont work unless someone is doing the neccessary things according to diet. I have no qualms stating that at all. If you think you can do my methods eating a bowl of applejacks in the morning, a peanut butter and jelly sandwhich for lunch and a can of ravioli for dinner and succeed--its not going to happen. I dont want people to jump on this DC bandwagon because theres alot of people liking it. Get your diet in check first as thats priority number one--the make or break of it. When thats done take one of these protocols (mine, HST, 5x5 or whatever) and after reading about each one and its merits make a choice and give it a solid 3-6 month run fullout. As sad as this is to say I am trying to sway too many people from using my methods because I know Im going to get people who triple what I tell them to do and overtrain, or eat like a 145lb marathon runner, or just do it half ass looking for a miracle. The local people I show this too --god it takes me sometimes 2 weeks to get them on the right track and then they get into their groove and take off up the bodybuilding ladder.....its 50 times tougher than that trying to type all this out on message boards.

DC... can you ascribe a proper lenth of test period to your training style. I can understand that 4 weeks is too short... but is there a test period that you consider adequate? 12 weeks? 6 months?