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you can get yourself in big trouble.. what I like to do is take some GEAR right after a workout.. and also in between meals ... definately don't want to go too long without food but gear is there just in case to feed those muscles.

Protein is one of the best – and worst – understood macronutrients in the bodybuilding world. Every bodybuilder knows they need at least a gram of protein per pound of bodyweight, but very little is understood about the quality of protein.

That’s like telling someone they need to drive 100 miles to get to your house, but not telling them what direction!

Proteins are just long chains built up from “links” of various individual amino acids. Some of
those links are like titanium: essential amino acids. Other links are more like regular old iron: non-essential amino acids. Joining two amino acids together with each other forms a dipeptide, three joined togetherform a tripeptide, etc…Once we get 50 amino acids all joined together, we have a protein – the chain made from all of the little links.


If we were making a chain, we want it to be strong, right? In fact, if we could, we would want to make the entire chain from titanium. Well, it’s the same when we look at a chain of amino acids. We want it to be made from high quality links. This is because the ratio of one amino acid to another determines the overall quality (or strength) of the chain. The highest quality, most anabolic protein sources all have an amino acid chain that is most closely associated with natural human protein.

Gear is an advanced protein delivery system and nutrition octane booster!

When you take 2-4 capsules of Gear with your meals, it not only provides you with valuable, high quality aminos, serum proteins, and fractionated whey; it also provides you with the bioactive enzymes your body needs to convert that protein into muscle. It’s like taking a pill that turns every meal into a high-quality protein shake!


Once in the body, protein is broken back down into smaller peptides (dipeptides, tripeptides, etc…) and individual amino acids in the gastrointestinal tract, after which they’re sent to the liver, kidney and eventually the blood, thereby raising blood plasma levels of amino acids. When those get high enough, we see increased protein synthesis, which results in the accrual of muscle tissue. This is an anabolic effect – an increase in muscle mass. As you can see, the processing and digestion (breaking down) of proteins back into aminos is very important! If you’re not digesting your protein, then your body isn’t going to use it, which is exactly why we at Need To Build Muscle formulated Gear with loads of high quality digestive enzymes, like Aminogen and Bromelein.

GEAR uses a concentrated form of protein that is both ENLARGED and FRACTIONED. In other words, each amino molecule not only encompasses more space, it is split into “micro molecules” which essentially increases the bio-availability ten-fold!

A single gram of protein becomes more like TEN grams of super boiavalable protein!

On top of that, Gear uses the power of Super Plasma Blood Serum Protein. Studies have shown that test animals fed a comparable calorie diet with Super Plasma Serum grew an average of 20% LARGER than those on a diet without it. How can that be? Because Super Plasma Serum is the protein that already exists in the blood plasma. It’s instantly recognized as “useable”. It’s like adding blood to your blood - there is no conversion! Whatever you add is “more”. That’s what happens with Super Plasma Serum. It’s essentially instant muscle! Since the actual amino molecule of SPS is FOUR TIMES LARGER than that of meat, egg or whey protein it can be dispersed over a greater area of the intestines, allowing for maximum nitrogen dispersion. The extraordinary growth potential from Super Plasma Serum may also be due to the fact that it contains the highest IGF-1 level of any natural food source.
This is the closest thing to actual “injectable aminos”, which is what the pros have been using for years, BUT AT A FRACTION OF THE COST!

Super Plasma Protein is protein isolate and made from hydrolyzed animal plasma. Because of its high concentration of bioactive proteins, peptides, and potent amino acid profile, this protein has been used to increase growth in multiple animal studies.


When we look at proteins, we want to make sure the chains are made from as many high quality links as possible, because once the protein is in your body, your body breaks it back down into those same links, and uses it to produce more muscle. Proteins are in a constant state of synthesis, being built up and broken down. If you’re breaking them down at an accelerated rate, with intense weight training, you need to replenish them at an increased rate as well. When you go to the local hardware store to buy a chain, you can ask them how strong it is (its tensile strength). This tells you how much pressure the chain can take before it snaps. Try
going to a restaurant and asking about the amino acid chains in their chicken cordon blue. They’ll look at you like you’re crazy! Most bodybuilders can rattle off the exact amount of protein in a glass of milk or a 6 oz. steak, but they have no idea about the quality of that protein or the rate at which there body will absorb this protein. That’s a huge mistake, and it’s like buying a chain without knowing what it’s made of. Who cares if it is 50 feet long, if it’s made of paper?

Scientists have figured out a way to measure protein quality, just like they’ve figured out ways to figure out how strong different metals are.

Protein Efficiency Ratio, or P.E. R. was one of the earliest ways they used to gauge the quality of various proteins. It was based on dividing body mass gains versus the amount of ingested protein. You might expect milk protein rates very highly, while corn, oats and other plant sourced
proteins rank poorly.

Click here to see Computed Protein Effeciency Ratio of Illinois Bundleflower Seed Protein.

Biological Value (B.V.) is another method used for determining the quality of various proteins. This method basically looks at the amount of protein consumed versus the amount excreted, with the logic that the rest of the protein is being retained by the body.


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Blood serum proteins have a Digestibility above 90% and a protein efficiency ratio (PER) of 2.8! . THE HIGHEST SCORE EVER! In fact off the charts. But the power of blood serum protein does not stop there. Read the next part.

The problem with BV is that it doesn’t tell us how much of that protein is being digested adequately, only that it’s not being excreted. Neither of these two protein measurement systems are widely used any longer because they’ve given way to another measure of protein quality, known as the protein-digestibility amino acid score (PCDAAS). This is the most accurate method of ranking various proteins, and it’s the one currently being used by scientists and doctors. This score ranks the essential amino acid content of various proteins and compares them with amino acid requirements in humans. The amino acid that is represented most poorly is found to be the limiting amino acid (the weakest link of our chain), and that system ultimately determines which protein sources provide the most abundant supply of amino acids that match human protein needs. Of course, this isn’t just science, it’s what we see in the real world too. How many people get huge by eating wheat protein? Nobody. As you can see from this chart, the stuff that ranks the most highly is the stuff that makes all of the top bodybuilders huge –whey protein, beef, eggs, and milk.

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Of course, nobody eats a meal of just one food, right? People combine their foods at meal time, and if they’re smart, they can make some of those poor quality proteins into better ones. This is why we always see vegetarians combining certain plant-based foods; rice and beans, for example. Rice is deficient of several aminos that beans have in abundance.

The amino acids lacking in one food is made up for in a different food.

This strategy of combining foods is exactly what we’re doing with Gear! We have included branched chain amino acids, as well as amino rich superfoods like Super Plasma Protein, a protein isolate made from hydrolyzed blood plasma proteins.


With Gear, you can have a peanut butter sandwich, (not a great source of quality protein) and the digestive enzymes will ensure that you’re processing every single gram, while the BCAAs, Super Plasma Protein, and Whey Protein Isolates fill in the missing aminos. It’s like turning every peanut butter sandwich, slice of pizza, and piece of French toast into a protein shake! A banana split is always going to have a lot of fat and sugar, but with Gear, at least it’ll also have a lot of
high quality protein as well.


So we basically need two things from our proteins:

1. We need to be able to process these proteins and break them down into amino acids, (we need them to be digestible).
2. We need to have the proper amino acid ratio, (we don’t want to be limited by missing aminos).

And that’s really it! When we talk about protein quality, we’re really only saying that they have a proper amino acid profile, and its digestibility.

When we talk about Gear, we’re talking about making everything you eat into a high quality, easily digestible, source of protein!


Gear Supplement Facts:
Serving Size: 1 capsule
Servings Per Container: 200


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** Percent Daily Values not established.


Gear Directions:
Take 4 capsules pre and post workout. Gear can also be taken in-between meals to prevent catabolism and provide increase in muscular recovery and regeneration. Take 10-15 capsules daily for best results.
 
Damn bro thats some good info. Yeah gear is badass. Ive used it before and loved it. Plan on useing it again here real soon.

Just curious whats your thoughts on this. How would useing a diet like the IF diet which is popular right now fit in with GEAR and missing meals?

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I'm sure Nelson could give the best answer and hopefully he will chime in but i would think it wouldn't matter. just use gear when you feel like you need to feed your muscles with extra protein. after workouts, in between meals, etc. or if you have a meal that is deficient in protein.
 
I go without food for 16 hours every day and I'm perfectly fine as you can see.

I don't know how u guys do this. If I were to try this fasting type diet I would constantly think that my body would be eating itself.
I am very anal with feeding every 2.5-3 hours when I'm awake.
It annoys the fuck out of me but I do it.
 
^^^ lol.
So if u sleep for say 7-8 hours u won't eat for 8 -9 hours? Man don't u get hungry?
I'm eating every 2.5 -3 hours and by the time my next meal is due I can eat a horse.

In saying that u can't argue the way u look bro so I'm really intrigued now about this type of diet.

Do u need to be on anabolics for this feeding regimen?
 
^^^ lol.
So if u sleep for say 7-8 hours u won't eat for 8 -9 hours? Man don't u get hungry?
I'm eating every 2.5 -3 hours and by the time my next meal is due I can eat a horse.

In saying that u can't argue the way u look bro so I'm really intrigued now about this type of diet.

Do u need to be on anabolics for this feeding regimen?

Yeah me too. It must work by the looks if it but man, i dont see how you can build or maintain muscle eating that little.

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I go without food for 16 hours every day and I'm perfectly fine as you can see.

now maybe you can outsmart your body by juicing to the gills and starving your body (which obviously is your strategy).. maybe. however for the rest of us its more rational to provide proper nutrition to our bodies. especially those bulking. you need calories, carbs, protein, good fats, vitamins and minerals.

it would be impossible to hold muscle without eating, you wouldn't be getting nutrition into the muscles which you need. also you would get your glycogen levels depleted and you would look like starving africans or the people the nazi's put in concentration camps.

so like i said maybe while you are juiced bigtime that strategy will work, but what will you do in PCT? if you starve your body in pct and off cycle like that you will shrink up so fast. basically that is bad advice IMO you are telling people and putting a pic in your avatar (which may or may not be you)... now next thing you know we will have 21 year old 150 pound shrimps listening to what you said and trying to copy it.

my strategy for comping would be high protein, good fats, and lots of green veggies. and very little carbs around your workouts, think that is far healthier option than starving yourself. plus if you work fulltime how do you go all day without food? your brain would not function and you wouldn't be able to think.. a major problem for any of us who work in white collar jobs and most blue collar too.. so something like gear would be perfect for comping, and even for you gear would be great starving yourself all day and taking gear to feed the muscles!
 
I think insanity has made a point of not using this feeding regimen if you're building muscle however on a cut there seems to be a following for this kind of diet.
 
my strategy for comping would be high protein, good fats, and lots of green veggies. and very little carbs around your workouts, think that is far healthier option than starving yourself. plus if you work fulltime how do you go all day without food? your brain would not function and you wouldn't be able to think.. a major problem for any of us who work in white collar jobs and most blue collar too.. so something like gear would be perfect for comping, and even for you gear would be great starving yourself all day and taking gear to feed the muscles!

^^^^^ same. This is the diet I use.
High protein, moderate good fats heaps of greens and minimal carbs.
 
I guess unless bodybuilding is your full time job day in and day out.. other than that I don't know see how one can go 6-8 hours after waking up and not eating.. I can barely function if i don't get a solid breakfast or shake in after morning cardio, plus I like to eat to much to go through that kind of torture. I'd also feel like my muscles were wasting going to that long everyday without eating. I can understand IF but 16 hour fast daily? I mean if thats you in your ava then I guess it seems to be working, on or off cycle would make a big difference too I'm sure. Guess you never know what the body can do till you push it.
 
So much wrong in this thread.

If any of you would have any knowledge on this subject you wouldn't write such nonsense.

It has been proven many times that short term fasting BOOSTS memory, cognitive performance, INCREASES ENEGRY LEVELS AND CONCENTRATION (due to increased catecholamine output), blunts appetite.
All in all the body funtions better fasted than fed. This is a fact. Of course we are talking short term fasting here.

I am almost sure none of you guys has any knowledge on the subject and also pretty sure that none of you have tried fasting because you lack the discipline and willpower required to do it. Sorry that I have to say this but I hear shit like this all the time and it's always the guys who can't even give up their beloved breakfast. Then they justify this by talking nonsense like you some of you guys in this thread.

How can I function when I go 8 hours without food? With all the honesty here I function even much better when I'm without food for 24 hours or more. The longer I go the better it gets. The increased catecholamine output will put you in a great mood and allow you to concentrate way better than you have ever imagined before. Feels similar to amphetamines to me.

Brain does not function if you don't eat for a few hours? Where did you pull this one from? Come on, this is a joke right?

There has also NEVER BEEN PROVEN in any way that short term fasting causes muscle loss. This is another broscience story. Yes, there have been many studies done on this topic and no the subjects involved did not use any anabolic substances. So no, you don't need any amount of gear to retain muscle while fasting.

In fact I discovered fasting years ago while I was still at uni. Some days I would forget about food while studying and I quickly noticed how much more energy I had in the evening when I didn't eat during the day. I could easily pull an all nighter then even after already having studies for 8 hours straight whereas when I had several meals in between I was sleepy and ready to go to bed before midnight. I started doing this regularly during exam periods and it worked wonders. So much about brain not functioning.

I suggest you guys to educate yourselves properly on the subject. There's always time to learn something new :)
 
I agree with insanityapproved. Now I'm only an athlete so I have a lot less muscle and I'm just getting over a severe injury so I sprouted a little belly. But I also fast for 16 hours and I feel fantastic and in a great mood. I'm a supervisor for the maintenance department for a bitumen plant. (oil and gas) so i need my brain on all day. Rickrock turned me onto this diet a few months ago and I've been stoked on it ever since. Fat comes off quick, muscle is still building and lifts are getting heavier. So i don't see a downfall. I also get to sleep thru all the time you spend making breakfast and cleaning up.
 
I am also not on any gear, any supplements, or anything other than a protein shake a day and a proper diet that is consumed in an 8 hour window.
 
insanity how do you feel about cortisol? im not the 2-3 hour guy, i eat larger amounts 4-5 times a day. if i miss a meal though, i start getting a headache, i get depressed, and i get extremely angry and aggravated and cant really deal with people. is this from cortisol? did you just get over all this as your body adapted?
 
So much wrong in this thread.

If any of you would have any knowledge on this subject you wouldn't write such nonsense.

It has been proven many times that short term fasting BOOSTS memory, cognitive performance, INCREASES ENEGRY LEVELS AND CONCENTRATION (due to increased catecholamine output), blunts appetite.
All in all the body funtions better fasted than fed. This is a fact. Of course we are talking short term fasting here.

I am almost sure none of you guys has any knowledge on the subject and also pretty sure that none of you have tried fasting because you lack the discipline and willpower required to do it. Sorry that I have to say this but I hear shit like this all the time and it's always the guys who can't even give up their beloved breakfast. Then they justify this by talking nonsense like you some of you guys in this thread.

How can I function when I go 8 hours without food? With all the honesty here I function even much better when I'm without food for 24 hours or more. The longer I go the better it gets. The increased catecholamine output will put you in a great mood and allow you to concentrate way better than you have ever imagined before. Feels similar to amphetamines to me.

Brain does not function if you don't eat for a few hours? Where did you pull this one from? Come on, this is a joke right?

There has also NEVER BEEN PROVEN in any way that short term fasting causes muscle loss. This is another broscience story. Yes, there have been many studies done on this topic and no the subjects involved did not use any anabolic substances. So no, you don't need any amount of gear to retain muscle while fasting.

In fact I discovered fasting years ago while I was still at uni. Some days I would forget about food while studying and I quickly noticed how much more energy I had in the evening when I didn't eat during the day. I could easily pull an all nighter then even after already having studies for 8 hours straight whereas when I had several meals in between I was sleepy and ready to go to bed before midnight. I started doing this regularly during exam periods and it worked wonders. So much about brain not functioning.

I suggest you guys to educate yourselves properly on the subject. There's always time to learn something new :)

what do you do for a living?

so you are saying if i did construction work for 8 hours a day in 90 degree heat and ate nothing the whole day I would be okay without food? seriously? where would i get the energy from? how are the muscles getting fed? food is the most crucial thing before anything, whether it be an exam or a game.

you would faint if you didn't eat and worked all day. 99.9% of people on this forum have real jobs bro
 
Tell me Steve, how long do you think a big meal consisting of 200g's of protein and 70g's of fat is being digested? How long do you think it will keep your amino acid levels in the blood elevated?

Just give me your best guess so I see if you know what I'm talking about here.

And about the construction work - No, I did not say that. Construction workers can be classified as heavy workers meaning they do lots of physical activity. Of course fasting allows you for some - but NOT 8 hours per day, that is true! Never said that. I was talking more about mental performance (and jobs that require mainly that).

Still, after rereading what I wrote I see it may have sounded very offensive and I'm sorry to you Stevesmi aswell as all other guys. Each person has a right to their own opionion. I shouldn't have reacted this way.
 
Insanity might want to give them a link to some of your info and your methodology and perhaps even credit Martin as im sure you didn't just discover this through university LOL... I can pretty much guarentee you , had you not read the site you might not be thinking the same way and might be one of the people following the broscience way , I know I sure as hell did.

Leangains.com

Steve if your working 8 hour construction its probably not ideal that you do this as Martin reccomends that this probably isnt the best eating habbit for people with a demanding job / situation.

But for the folks that have office jobs or are rather sedentary its perfect. Your muscles are getting fed from the nitrogen retention youv had the previous last night meal , eating every 2-3 will supply the nitrogen retention a little bit at a time , but eating your meals in larger quantity will just give you a higher nitrogen retention for your muscles. Just read the site its all there.
 
Tell me Steve, how long do you think a big meal consisting of 200g's of protein and 70g's of fat is being digested? How long do you think it will keep your amino acid levels in the blood elevated?

Just give me your best guess so I see if you know what I'm talking about here.

And about the construction work - No, I did not say that. Construction workers can be classified as heavy workers meaning they do lots of physical activity. Of course fasting allows you for some - but NOT 8 hours per day, that is true! Never said that. I was talking more about mental performance (and jobs that require mainly that).

Still, after rereading what I wrote I see it may have sounded very offensive and I'm sorry to you Stevesmi aswell as all other guys. Each person has a right to their own opionion. I shouldn't have reacted this way.

i'm not offended at all, debate is crucial and hopefully Nelson who came up with gear will chime in with his opinion.. i'm just saying that most guys on here work so fasting is just not realistic. i'm also not being a devils advocate either, i'm not saying to stuff your face all day. I eat small meals throughout the day. i'm not an advocate of dirty bulking at all even for skinny dudes. and for guys who miss meals and need that extra bump that is where gear can really be great for them which is the supplement we are talking about.

if i was rich i would just bodybuild 24/7 believe me that would be awesome, i fuckin love working out at the gym and seeing my improvement. i always switch up my diets.. 1 more week and I will be changing things up again.
 
Insanity might want to give them a link to some of your info and your methodology and perhaps even credit Martin as im sure you didn't just discover this through university LOL... I can pretty much guarentee you , had you not read the site you might not be thinking the same way and might be one of the people following the broscience way , I know I sure as hell did.

Leangains.com

Steve if your working 8 hour construction its probably not ideal that you do this as Martin reccomends that this probably isnt the best eating habbit for people with a demanding job / situation.

But for the folks that have office jobs or are rather sedentary its perfect. Your muscles are getting fed from the nitrogen retention youv had the previous last night meal , eating every 2-3 will supply the nitrogen retention a little bit at a time , but eating your meals in larger quantity will just give you a higher nitrogen retention for your muscles. Just read the site its all there.

I'm sorry but I will not give this clown any credit because he did not "invent" anything as he claims. The guy is a living joke. But he sure knows how to manipulate people and is arrogant as hell which makes him look so convincing. He does have good writing abilities tho, I won't argue with that. Some of his articles are great so yes, I always point everyone interested in IF to leangains website.

But again, I did IF way before I knew who did guy was and before his site was online. And many others have aswell.
 
Okay yeah I thought you did totally had me convinced you were doing all this stuff without reading his website and using his ideas, true he didn't really invent that as I dont really think you can invent not eating for a certain time period but the whole 16/8 thing come on now lol,as well as the protein taking a while to break down I can guarentee you found that on his site also give credit where its due even if he didn't invent it like I was saying since its kind of hard to invent that , but he did show people other ways and backed it up, lets get real I guarentee you had you not read that site or eat stop eat you would not be spewing out these ideas or trying them , guess Martin totally took your idea of 16/8 doh!
 
Okay yeah I thought you did totally had me convinced you were doing all this stuff without reading his website and using his ideas, true he didn't really invent that as I dont really think you can invent not eating for a certain time period but the whole 16/8 thing come on now lol,as well as the protein taking a while to break down I can guarentee you found that on his site also give credit where its due even if he didn't invent it like I was saying since its kind of hard to invent that , but he did show people other ways and backed it up, lets get real I guarentee you had you not read that site or eat stop eat you would not be spewing out these ideas or trying them , guess Martin totally took your idea of 16/8 doh!

I'm not a strong advocate of 18/6. In fact I much prefer ADF. Many of my clients do aswell. Some also do what people call "the warrior diet" etc.

What I'm trying to tell people here is that there are many ways to reach same goals. Each person has to find his own way that suits them! I will never try to convince my client who wants to eat 5 meals a day to do IF if they don't want to do it. It's up to each individual to decide what they like.

IF is no magic and either eating every 2 hours is not. Both can produce same results. That's all I wanted to say :) But let people choose themselves the way that makes them feel good and comfortable!

I believe most people nowadays choose to do IF because of convenience. No more tupperware to work, no more thinking where and what you will be eating during the day, no more waking up earlier to eat breakfast etc. Most people report a sense of "freedom". And you get to eat a huge meal in the evening which most people find pleasing, especially when dieting, so they can for example have family dinner without having to obsessively count their portions etc. like they would have to with 6 tiny meals per day.
 
I couldn't do it.. I can't think or focus if not eating. I hate it so tough going to classes after morning runs hungry when gotta make weight also I personally notice a drop in performance when fast vs being hungry but at least having some food in my system.
Can see if not really working and depending on your type where you seem to function well without food.

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if i was rich i would just bodybuild 24/7 believe me that would be awesome, i fuckin love working out at the gym and seeing my improvement. i always switch up my diets.. 1 more week and I will be changing things up again.

Damn but that would have been a boring life, wouldn't it? :)

And if this was pointed at me ... I'm far from rich and I work 10+ hours per day, 7 days a week. That's also on of the main reasons why I do IF. If I had all day to eat small meals I might try that again aswell :D Now I can just focus on my work and then relax and eat when I'm done.
 
So just to clarify things.
IF diet for office type work??
6 meals/day construction/manual work??
Still bit unsure. :)
 
I go without food for 16 hours every day and I'm perfectly fine as you can see.
agreed, i just started trying out your methods a few weeks ago...
im already leaner and i havent weighed myself recently, but im sure im up in bodyweight...
it calories in vs. calories out... as long as you get in your daily macro's it dont matter if you miss a meal, you can make it up later...
 
What about those of us who go hypoglycemic fairly easily/quickly?

And lol @ sleeping in! You motherfuckers don't have kids do you?

Many days when I wake up I have to go get a glass of juice before I do anything else. If I start even washing my face and putting on clothes sometimes I can go hypo. Nothing like having just washed your face and putting on your clothes then getting dizzy, sweating profusely all over and feeling like you're going to vomit. After that I need a shower, but I can't take one because the kids are up and they need to get dressed and eat and go to school or daycare, and I gotta start my day too. No thanks.

No, I have not done IF. I have fasted before though...when I was a lot skinnier.

I might be able to fast longer with some GEAR (from ntbm) though.
 
All you need is food,water and of course real gear,not some rice flower in a pill.....If your missing a meal than get a job or hit up the dollar menu.

who you talking to bro?

just in general?

What if someone is traveling and don't want to hit the dollar menu? What if AAS are not being used? What the hell are you even talking about in relation to the thread?
 
So just to clarify things.
IF diet for office type work??
6 meals/day construction/manual work??
Still bit unsure. :)

i would say it totally depends on your goals, what you are on, your lifestyle etc etc.

generally guys who dig ditches all day are gonna have a tough time putting on weight compared to a dude who sits on his ass all day. but we all have different metabolism. also keep in mind look at all the stuff that insanity is running on his other thread. i dont think i've run that many compounds in the past 2 years total. i usually run 1 or 2 compounds tops per cycle. that type of IF diet is a very advanced method and one i will do myself ONLY WHEN I'M ON!! and of course I will add Forged Burner 1 cap in the morning helps my mind shut off wanting to be hungry and I can go hours and hours without food. and i would say gear would actually be even better on IF cause you can put some plasma protein into your body during that time, sounds like a perfect way to utilize it.

now during PCT and bridge i will up my carbs even if it means adding some fat. i'm willing to trade off a bit. but again if you run steroids nonstop then you don't have to worry about pct or bridging.

but this thread is about a supplement that helps feed the muscles. not sure how it turned into a diet debate.
 
Here Steve is a copy paste of a post I wrote in my thread about what you're saying:

Steve, I can't really agree with this. Yes, this is hardcore cutting pre-contest cycle but I can do just fine while cruising on 250mg's of test per week and maintain my weight without any problems. Maintaining muscle mass when you are above 10% body fat is easy even when fasting for long periods of time. It's when you get really lean then it becomes a bitch because your body starts fighting against you. But as you seem pretty experienced to me I am pretty sure you have been there, done that and so you probably know what I am talking about.

If you have ever done any serious bodybuilding competition (which I highly doubt) you would have known what it takes to retain muscle mass at that low body fat and workout regime. It's not about IF at all, guys with 6 meals per day run the same stuff, most of them even much more than I. Many guys I am competing against run 2g of tren per week, 15iu's of HGH per day along the regular 2grams of test per week and a few other compounds ... This is the ugly bodybuilding truth. And if it wasn't for the competition, I would never ever run a cycle like that.

I see we are quite the opposite here
:) I don't like eating at all. In fact I could say I hate food lol. I was a picky eater since I was a kid. It took me a tremendous amount of discipline and force feeding myself to bulk up to my current weight. But my gym buddies tell me that this is exactly what makes me able to diet down to contest shape several times a year .. Even when dieting really hard I barely ever feel any hunger. If I get busy I can easily forget about food for the whole day no matter how lean I am.
 
i would say it totally depends on your goals, what you are on, your lifestyle etc etc.

generally guys who dig ditches all day are gonna have a tough time putting on weight compared to a dude who sits on his ass all day. but we all have different metabolism. also keep in mind look at all the stuff that insanity is running on his other thread. i dont think i've run that many compounds in the past 2 years total. i usually run 1 or 2 compounds tops per cycle. that type of IF diet is a very advanced method and one i will do myself ONLY WHEN I'M ON!! and of course I will add Forged Burner 1 cap in the morning helps my mind shut off wanting to be hungry and I can go hours and hours without food. and i would say gear would actually be even better on IF cause you can put some plasma protein into your body during that time, sounds like a perfect way to utilize it.

now during PCT and bridge i will up my carbs even if it means adding some fat. i'm willing to trade off a bit. but again if you run steroids nonstop then you don't have to worry about pct or bridging.

but this thread is about a supplement that helps feed the muscles. not sure how it turned into a diet debate.

Ok thanks. Soz bout takin it of topic. :)
 
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