I can't stand Frackal, Liberala and Celebrity views anymore.

[lincoln]

You are totally disregarding 9/11.

We were the first and only but that was in an age where we didn't really know what it was all about.

WE SIGNED THE TREATY THAT SADDAM DID.

NOT THE UN.

The whole UN thing isa courtesy.

WE WE WE WE WE WENT TO WAR WITH IRAQ.

The UN backed us but it was the UNITED STATES.

And for you to say that the E era was the same is crazy.

There are people surrounding us and in our borders who will willingly target innocent AMERICANS.

This is a fact. Not Japan starting a war.

Little maggots that want to kill us for no other reason then the fact that they o not like us.

Why is that so easy for you to ignore?

 

[lincoln]

And one other thing.

Yes it is our job to be concerned with what goes on in the world. You already said it.

Saddam kills and tortures his people on a level that Stalin achieved.

If Hitler never went outside his borders and simply wanted to kill all Jews in his country. By your standards, that would have been OK.

I was in Bosnia and Croatia. If we had let Milosivic stay he would have annilated millions.

But that turned out that we were right so you probably dont want to talk about us removing him from his country.

When this is over I will be asking for more input. When the horror stories are told and the caches of chemical weapons are found.

The ones you say do not exist or we should let the inspectors (not investigators) find.

 

[musclebrains]

You are totally disregarding 9/11.

We were the first and only but that was in an age where we didn't really know what it was all about.

WE SIGNED THE TREATY THAT SADDAM DID.

NOT THE UN.

The whole UN thing isa courtesy.

WE WE WE WE WE WENT TO WAR WITH IRAQ.

The UN backed us but it was the UNITED STATES.

And for you to say that the E era was the same is crazy.

There are people surrounding us and in our borders who will willingly target innocent AMERICANS.

This is a fact. Not Japan starting a war.

Little maggots that want to kill us for no other reason then the fact that they o not like us.

Why is that so easy for you to ignore?

Saddam has no link to 9/11. Georgy Porgy doesn't even say that. His sin is not making it clear that he doesn't. Even the CIA said that there was no link.

To generalize the actions of Osama bin Laden to every tyrant in the Arab world is crazy. Hussein is certainly a tyrant, but he is not one who can't be deterred. Unlike Osama, he is head of a state.

I'm not sure what you mean that America's use of the atomic bomb "was in an age where we didn't really know what it was all about." We certainly knew the bombs would annihilate thousands of people. Othewise Truman would not have struggled with the decision to do so.

I did not say the Eisenhower era was entirely the same. Ike would not have rejected teh policy of pre-emption, which he speicifcally did, had conditions not similarly recommended it. perhaps you don't recall the post WWII "liberations" of the Soviet army.

I don't see how I"m ignoring terrorism. I would be happy if George would devote our resources to investigating terrorism instead of attacking an unrelated state, creating an enormous deficit while the economy languishes and he proposes tax breaks for the wealthy and Mr. Ridge tosses us a roll of duct tape and some plastic sheeting.

Fact is that what Europeans have lived with for years -- random terrorism -- has arrived in the U.S. I guess the Spanish and French should have found some nation to invade to make themselves feel safer. I know I"m going to feel a LOT safer from suitcase bombs when Hussein is dead.

Try to refrain from calling other people's ideas crap, okay? I may have to invade your posts with my nuclear mod powers.

 

[musclebrains]

And one other thing.

Yes it is our job to be concerned with what goes on in the world. You already said it.

Saddam kills and tortures his people on a level that Stalin achieved.

If Hitler never went outside his borders and simply wanted to kill all Jews in his country. By your standards, that would have been OK.

I was in Bosnia and Croatia. If we had let Milosivic stay he would have annilated millions.

But that turned out that we were right so you probably dont want to talk about us removing him from his country.

When this is over I will be asking for more input. When the horror stories are told and the caches of chemical weapons are found.

The ones you say do not exist or we should let the inspectors (not investigators) find.

The actions of Hussein regarding the Kurds is another issue. We are not invading Iraq because of that. It's merely a convenient rationale while we permit states to murder their own people in other areas of the world. Indeed, I remind YOU that we supported Hussein as we have countless other murderous regimes. I don't, I'm sure, need to remind you how often despots have claimed to be "liberating" peoples they invaded.

 

[lincoln]

Terrorist = Want to kill us. "The will"

People like Saddam = Wants to kill us. "The means"


Terrorist + People like Saddam = The ability to aquire and deliver horrific devistation.

A country like Pakistan would not sell mass destruct weapons to terrorists. Why? He would fear repurcusions. Saddam WOULD NOT CARE.

Easy enough?


And Truman had no idea of the long term suffering that Japan has suffered.

Why?

No one had to that point seen the aftermath of a nuclear attack on suburban population.

 

[lincoln]

The actions of Hussein regarding the Kurds is another issue. We are not invading Iraq because of that. It's merely a convenient rationale while we permit states to murder their own people in other areas of the world. Indeed, I remind YOU that we supported Hussein as we have countless other murderous regimes. I don't, I'm sure, need to remind you how often despots have claimed to be "liberating" peoples they invaded.

I wont call that crap. But, well it is not a seperate issue. Same guy. Same no fly zone as 1991. Same inspections.

Did we liberate France, ENgland, Afghanistan?

We are not invading to stay there. Our history shows nothing of the kind. We never have. We never will.

How could you compare your homeland to a despot regime? Get real.

 

[musclebrains]

Terrorist = Want to kill us. "The will"

People like Saddam = Wants to kill us. "The means"


Terrorist + People like Saddam = The ability to aquire and deliver horrific devistation.

A country like Pakistan would not sell mass destruct weapons to terrorists. Why? He would fear repurcusions. Saddam WOULD NOT CARE.

Easy enough?


And Truman had no idea of the long term suffering that Japan has suffered.

Why?

No one had to that point seen the aftermath of a nuclear attack on suburban population.

LOL... You mean that he may not have known all there was to know about radiation sickness. He certainly knew he would destroy those cities and thousands and thousands of people.

The mathematics above does not make sense to me unless paranoia belongs in a foreign policy equation. Saddam is not in cahoots with Al Qaeda. Period. We destroyed the state supporting bin Laden already.

Pakistan has sold its technology to North Korea and Iran, which in turn could sell it to terrorists. North Korea has a Stalinist record nearly as bleak as Hussein's, by the way.

I have to do some real work. you may have the last word.

 

[lincoln]

Many of your ponts are noted. I see your side and we can certainly agree to disagree.

In the end I hope whatever happens you and your family live happy lives.

To tell you the truth this whole thing scares the crap out of me.

God bless.

 

[musclebrains]

I wont call that crap. But, well it is not a seperate issue. Same guy. Same no fly zone as 1991. Same inspections.

Did we liberate France, ENgland, Afghanistan?

We are not invading to stay there. Our history shows nothing of the kind. We never have. We never will.

How could you compare your homeland to a despot regime? Get real.

There is no foreign power occupying Iran. Hitler liberated Poland, you'll recall. Teh Soviets liberated the Czechs.

No, we aren't staying there, because we can't afford to. We are foolishly thinking an American-style democracy can work in a state like Iraq. What we will do is rebuild the oil infrastructure we destroyed, like last time. Cheney, who profited enormously from doing that after the Gulf War, has aready held meetings with American oil companies in anticpation of splitting up the booty of the invasion.

America has acted despotically throughout the world, supporting all manner of murderous states -- Iran and Iraq for example -- if it was politically and economically expedient. We have financed revolutions that supported murderers, even lending military support. That's simple history.

Oh, as for your statements earlier about Hitler and the Jews. We DID ignore his "final solution."

 

[XBiker]

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KAYNE

SPECIAL K, your intelligence is way to low to engage in any sort of political debate.

I would suggest you go back to posting about Feminem and your boy 1/2 dollar and wearing those silly ass beanie's. That seems to be the depth of your knowledge on this board.