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How to Measure Liquidex

Riker29

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I just did a small experiment that may help some other guys.

Liquidex, the liquid sort of "generic" version of Arimidex, is a very concentrated substance, with 4 mg/ml being its rated concentration.

Arimidex is very potent (and not cheap either) and in many cases a person only needs to do like 1/4 mg of it for it to be effective.

But at that concentration,

1/4 mg of Arimidex.

in Liquidex at 4 mg/ml, means that ,

you would need to adminster 1/16 of a ml (cc)!

How the hell do you measure that?

Well, here is what I did.

The formulation of a "drop" of a liquid is actually a fairly controlled and repeatable process. Meaning, if all factors (liquid viscosity, temperature, etc.) are the same, the amount of liquid in each drop is fairly constant (if the drop is formed around a constant source .... lilke .... the heads of a hollow needle .....).

So, I took a syringe, and sucked up like 3 CCs+ into it.

Wiwth an 18 gauge needle on the syringe, I carefully, slowly, pushed down the plnger, ....... and counted each drop ....

And after several trials, with very low amount of "drift" or changes in data, it turns out that ...


Liquidex, through an 18 gauge needle, at room temp, with the needle held stright down, will create 50 drops per ml.


So, extraploating from that (with a slight amount of "rounding" error),

When using Liquidex, take an 18 gauge needle and with the liquid at room temp, and with the needle held straight down,

for 1 mg Arimidex, measure 12 drops.

for 1/2 mg of Arimidex, measure 6 drops.

for 1/4 mg of Arimidex, measure 3 drops.


Hope this helps some people out there.

And for those that were thinking "did this guy WASTE all of that Liquidex?" - not a chance. I "dropped" it into the back end of another syringe, and then placed it back into the vial.
 
Awesome info... But dude... You really need to get out a little more... You sound like the Nutty "Roided out" Professor...:FRlol:
 
kingjohn,

I thought of that, somehow diluting it.

The problem is that its SO thick, I cant think of any reall effective way to mix it up. I mean, at least when you place it in a syringe, sure .. its thick as hell, but the plunger sorta scrapes it all and pushes it out .... but if you like placed that Liquidex into something that would allow you to sort of "mix" it - then it would like be clinging everywhere and would be hard to get it all out of the container. And at $12.50 per ML, that still some expensive thick gooey stuff.

The_Eviscerator,

LOL, yeah, well, I have a technical background, so I get like that every once in a while. But hey, it keeps my VCR from flashing 12 am all day ...

Plus, frankly, I am on Clomid and I dont feel like doing a shitload of socializing right now. This shit sucks. I mean, its effective (from what I read) but jeezus ... I sure as hell am not ME.
 
Hey Riker,

I applaud the time you take to detail this shit. It makes me laugh sometimes, but it is good info. Thanks for passing on this creative way to milk every ounce out of a hard earned buck. By the way, that was great info you posted on accutane.

Peace
 
Riker is a friend of mine and let me tell you he is the most organized person I have ever met in my entire life and is probably the smartest...so when he gets this technical it's only because he was short on time he rushed this job {lol}
 
Would the amount of pressure applied vary the dosage though? You would think that the more pressure that you applied the larger the droplet would be...
 
That makes sense to me, Daeo. Guess you could duplicate the procedure yourself so as to try and remember the pressure you used to get 50. Even that would likely vary. Also, what about temperature?
Still a good idea to arrive at a ballpark figure - I will use it...close enough for "gov. work."
Couple of the boys over on the other board say they are using 1ml......good lord!
Thanks, Riker.
 
Well I had bought some of this to try out but to be honest I hadn't even opened mine because I had no idea how I was going to measure it out... thanks bro...
 
OK, for the tech-heads out there, here goes, off the top of my head .......

There are a few variables as people have mentioned.

Given a certain liquid, and a certain surrounding pressure (air pressure) and a certain physical configuration (like the end of the needle) then you have still several variables which come into play:


Temperature

This is important because variations in temperature will change viscosity, which will effect the droplet size. However, at normal room temp (68-74F) this should remain fairly stable with that range.


Pressure

This could be an issue. At one extreme, if you jammed the plunger down - this would obviously effect drop size! It would probably be a stream!

OK, maybe not, thats some fairly thick stuff.

The key is that you want to apply enough pressure so that the "drop" forms by having the liquid pool up on the tip, and to continue to do so .... to form into a drop ..... and because of surface tension of the liquid against the needle, the drop will get larger, but still hold on .... then at some point, the gravitational pull on the liquid is such that it overcomes the surface tension which tends to make the liquid "cling" to the end of the needle.

When gravity pulls down more than the surface tension can hold, a drop ..... drops.

So its imprtant to push the plunger slowly enough so that the drop formaulation is almost entirely consisting of this effect of gravity-vs-surface-tension, and NOT due to the mechanical effect of liquid "pushing" itself off the needle tip.

And you though the OTHER post was technical. LOL

In any event, push slowly and consistently. I was dropping at about 1 per second. That seemed fine.
 
good post, now all i need is to find an 18 gauge needle, anyone know where i can get one w/out having to purchase 100 of them? thanks
 
well, many guys use 18g pins for withdrawing. I am sure that if you know anyone at all locally who is into this ...... they should have a spare or two around.
 
why dont you just buy a empty vial draw the 20cc or liquidex out and add 20 more cc of glyerol one guy has them both that would bring down the mg to 2mg per cc to me that sounds easier than doing a bunch of drops
 
Riker29 said:
I just did a small experiment that may help some other guys.

Liquidex, the liquid sort of "generic" version of Arimidex, is a very concentrated substance, with 4 mg/ml being its rated concentration.

Arimidex is very potent (and not cheap either) and in many cases a person only needs to do like 1/4 mg of it for it to be effective.

But at that concentration,

1/4 mg of Arimidex.

in Liquidex at 4 mg/ml, means that ,

you would need to adminster 1/16 of a ml (cc)!

How the hell do you measure that?

Well, here is what I did.

The formulation of a "drop" of a liquid is actually a fairly controlled and repeatable process. Meaning, if all factors (liquid viscosity, temperature, etc.) are the same, the amount of liquid in each drop is fairly constant (if the drop is formed around a constant source .... lilke .... the heads of a hollow needle .....).

So, I took a syringe, and sucked up like 3 CCs+ into it.

Wiwth an 18 gauge needle on the syringe, I carefully, slowly, pushed down the plnger, ....... and counted each drop ....

And after several trials, with very low amount of "drift" or changes in data, it turns out that ...


Liquidex, through an 18 gauge needle, at room temp, with the needle held stright down, will create 50 drops per ml.


So, extraploating from that (with a slight amount of "rounding" error),

When using Liquidex, take an 18 gauge needle and with the liquid at room temp, and with the needle held straight down,

for 1 mg Arimidex, measure 12 drops.

for 1/2 mg of Arimidex, measure 6 drops.

for 1/4 mg of Arimidex, measure 3 drops.


Hope this helps some people out there.

And for those that were thinking "did this guy WASTE all of that Liquidex?" - not a chance. I "dropped" it into the back end of another syringe, and then placed it back into the vial.
How about a tuberculin syringe?. Its 1 cc and in 1/10cc increments. You can add whatever gauge needle that you like
 
apbt549 said:
why dont you just buy a empty vial draw the 20cc or liquidex out and add 20 more cc of glyerol one guy has them both that would bring down the mg to 2mg per cc to me that sounds easier than doing a bunch of drops

Well, how would you mix it? The liquid is quite thick, simply having them in the same syringe wont really get it mixed properly, you would have to stir it somehow - think about it - how do you stir the contents of a loaded syringe? Not impossible, but a pain none the less.
 
Re: Re: How to Measure Liquidex

Shrebly said:
How about a tuberculin syringe?. Its 1 cc and in 1/10cc increments. You can add whatever gauge needle that you like

That would work GREAT. However I for one have never seen one of these, and I dont think its the type of syringe which is sittest around in the typical AS usres bag of goodies.

Fromn what I have been told (not personal experience) most of the small-capacity syringes do not have removeable needles. So, finding a small-capacity syringe (like 1 cc) which also has a needle large enough (like 18g) for Liquidex may be difficult.

If you DIDS have a 1 cc syringe that you could pop an 18 Gauge removeable needle onto, that would work great.

But, I for one dont have one. So I am drop-counting.
 
I like the methods here for measuring, but IMHO if your not using Anastrazole at 1mg/day you are missing out on what its all about. Diluting I think is one of the best methods but the droppers are consistent.
 
Slopain said:
I like the methods here for measuring, but IMHO if your not using Anastrazole at 1mg/day you are missing out on what its all about. Diluting I think is one of the best methods but the droppers are consistent.

But what if I want some water retention. I like to have it around for the extra strength gains and to keep everything lubed up a bit...
 
A's 1ml/mg liquidex runs just fine through an insulin syringe.

For .25mg/day use 25 units. For .50mg/day use 50 units.

How thick is that 4mg/ml stuff?
 
Riker29 said:


Well, how would you mix it? The liquid is quite thick, simply having them in the same syringe wont really get it mixed properly, you would have to stir it somehow - think about it - how do you stir the contents of a loaded syringe? Not impossible, but a pain none the less.


just get a 50cc vial and shoot both in there and shake. wouldn't that work ???
 
Again, shaking would not work, you have to stir it, its very very thick.

And if you do, now there is this thick stuff in the 50 cc vial on the strring stick (or whatevr you used), and its almost impssible to get asll of that, back into the original liquidex bottle.
 
kingjohn said:
this is a good post.

How have the guys that have been using Liquidex for a while now been measuring it out?

Most I have talked to use .25ML (1mg) per day, so the dosing wasn't really an issue. I believe there was a post on the AF board though on dillution, let me see if I can dig it up.
 
BTW - Slopain has one of the coolest Sig Pics there is.

It gives me a renewed appreciation of the young Chicas.

Slo - that file is about 112k, with a good JPG render, I got it to 32k with like NO quailty change. If you want it - email me.
 
WHHHHOOOO HOOOOOOO My Liquidex finally came.... On a Sunday too??? Can't wait to use the info.
 
Something I never understood about Liquidex is why is it put into a vial and not just a regular bottle?? In a regular bottle it could be taken out with an eyedropper instead of being drawn out with a needle..the only thing I was thinking is that it may have to do with the lab that makes it...making it in a vial is easier to hide..
 
thefantom1

Given that Liquidex is to be taken orally, maybe you are correct in that the sterile vial is not NEEDED. However, I think its a good move. First, just looking at the bottle, the contents seem amazingly free of any contaminants. The liquid is clear and showed like NO particulates at all.

For me, and admitedly this is probably more "image" than anything, the steril vial just leaves me an impression of the overall cleanliness and sterility of the lab that is making this.

And, given how much this stuff costs, anything which even remotely "hints" of quality, purity, and sterility, seems good to me.


Mike Tyson79

LOL - no I wont unblock you. At least for now. I hate just "chatting" on AOL. I use AOL for communicating with friends and meeting chicks. I am not into "BS" sessions. And you just used to play, and try to be cute and funny, and well .... it just got old.

If someone wants to IM me with a real question - fine. But m,y thought is - hey - why ask ME personally? Ask the baord here. That way many guys can provide answers. And also if I DO spend time to answer, MY time will go to its best use, helping many many people.

And for God's sake, the IM that are bascially guys saying "Dude ..... whats up?" ..... please. Have something to say.
 
Riker29

Riker29........I have my Liquidex on the way, I was planing on from what I have heard other doing and working out well, is buy some vitamin E capsules and empty them and then use a 20ga syringe to drop it in the caps. I want to do 1/2mg eod so I guess I will put 6 drops per cap...If 20ga will work or be similar to 18...measurement wise???

Any thoughts on 20ga ver 18ga......?
 
if it's a 20gauge i'm sure the measurements will be thrown off, at least by a little
 
Riker you freaking monkey.

Unblock me man. i miss talking to you and bothering you.

You would always get so pissed off and start talking like William Shattner.

Hey come on buddy, u know u love me
unblock me.

thanks negro.
peace
:fro:
 
If you do not have the same syringes, or if you are worried that maybe for some reason your results would be different, by all means, conduct a test yourself.

For the most accuracy though, like if you were going to measure how many drops were in 2 ML, I would fill the syringe up to the 3 ml mark, and then count the numbers of drops for it to go to the 1 ml mark. This gives you 2 ml of liquid, and you dont have to worry about the inaccuracies that occur when the needles bottoms out.
 
awww..how cute..look at that...he's even ignoring me on his own thread. LOL

Riker you bastard.
unblock me.
:fro:

i need to ask you about leopard shark smuggling.

peace
 
Hey Riker you slut.
I still don't see your name on my buddy list.
Get on with it.

peace:fro:
 
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