High school workout

[Imnotdutch]

For what it is worth,

Concerning your deadlift suggestion.....I would be able to walk after that. My back might be able to support much for a couple of days, but I could walk just fine. If you had said squats.......then mebbe you are right.

Also, the deadlift / rows routine didn't look like it was meant to go to failure on every set. If it was, how come the same rep / weight was used before and after the heavy set?

As for your experience, if you can show that your ways work then people will listen. The normal way of doing that is posting results and experience. It has alot to do with it, because we get alot of young kids on this board who think that they know everything and don't know when to quit arguing.

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I want you to do this:

Deadlift:

2*500 [strip plates off]
5*450 [strip plates off]
5*400 [strip plates off]
5*350 [strip plates off]
5*300 [strip plates off]
5*250 [strip plates off]
5*200 [strip plates off]
5*150 [strip plates off]
5*100 [strip plates off]

Trust, you won't be walking for days.

"Wipe the tears from your eyes and get off the floor."

I wouldn't be doing 5 sets to failure on the DL because that's overtraining in the first place, you idiot. Your whole point is moot.

"#3 - You are 16. How many years(weeks) of experience can you possibly have to support your theories?"

Not many. How many years of experience does Arnold have? Do you take advice from him? Well you probably do, but anyways.

-Zulu

 

[ZZuluZ]

Well, the guy said he couldn't do anything after a few sets of deadlifts and rows.... I am explaining to him how this is NOT optimal. And I have discussed this with several coaches with PH'd's in the matter.

The intensity is too high and it comes at the cost of volume and frequency which are more important.

My example was only an example. Modify if you wish.

All I asked for was justification that a muscle needs 4 days to recuperate. That was bullshit.

And if people can't understand that I have nothing but pity for you.

-Zulu

 

[Imnotdutch]

Well I know a bunch of people with Ph.D's who don't know shit about their 'specialist' areas.....have worked with plenty of em. I for one look at what people have achieved through applying what they think they know.....the real world is very different from the nice little theoretical world that researchers like to live in.

As an aside, I think the problem that people are having with you is that alot of your posts appear confrontational and make you look like a know-it-all.....so people react with hostility. There is more to this game than what some words on paper can tell you....you find what works for you and that doesn't always agree with the 'experts'. The last sentence in your previous post is a good example of that......I gather you are young.....if a young person comes out with comments like that in front of experienced people, they will get laughed at and / or dismissed. In which case your posdts are wasted.....

 

[ZZuluZ]

I typed up a pretty long post..... but deleted it.

Frankly I don't care anymore.

I could care less what a bunch of retarded baboons think of me. If they want to train like turds, then they can be my guest.

If they can't see that resting 4 days per muscle group is a baseless statement that ignores intensity, effort, genetics, recuperation....then it ain't my problem.

Peace out.

-Zulu

 

[Imnotdutch]

I think your last post just showed why people wont take your advice seriously......as soon as people disagree you throw a temper tantrum and start to sulk.

You need to chill out and accept that there is more than one way to skin a cat.

 

[Thaibox]

I gather you are young.....

He is 16

Zulu....
You are arguing with guys that have 10 plus years of lifting experience. Sorry to burst your bubble yet again, but this is a sport of empirical support.

I wonder if you argue this way with the big dudes at your gym, and how well that has gone over.....

"Excuse me, but you have made a training fallacy. I know several PhD's and you should not being doing squats with 600 lbs on your back. You should spend more time on the preacher bench. Also, Scientific studies have shown that....

 

[ZZuluZ]

"Excuse me, but you have made a training fallacy. I know several PhD's and you should not being doing squats with 600 lbs on your back. You should spend more time on the preacher bench. Also, Scientific studies have shown that..."

That's not it at all.

I didn't say I was against squatting heavy.

ALL I SAID WAS THAT RECUPERATION DEPENDS ON A MYRIAD OF FACTORS.

This is a fact.

-Zulu

 

[highschoolsucksalot]

I just started up with squats and deadlifts in my routine this week. The only thing I can is thank you! It hurts and I've been barely able to walk, but I like it anyway.

Anyway a have a few goals. Short term(this summer) I want to pack on alot of muscle(bulking, right?). Long term, I want to go for stamina and endurance. So what do you guys(excluding that zulu guy) think I should do? Also, what kind of protein do you guys suggest? What kind of protein bar should I take when I don't have time for a sit down meal(cheaper = better)? And I do abs 3x a week, what exercises should I do? Thanks guys.

 

[Needhelp]

You workout @ home.. do you have a rack?

How much are you squatting?

 

[highschoolsucksalot]

Nope, no rack. And I'm squatting about 60-80x15repsx5 right now, its weak, I know, but I just started. I'm going to add more weight and lower the amounts of reps next time though.