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High school workout

I'm waiting....

Universal tidbit? That's quite hilarious.

You can't even quantify what you're stating. What variables? Volume? Intensity? Effort? YOu don't mention ANY. Your statement is void of content.

Are you telling me walking will require 4 days of rest? What about a submaximal set of lateral raises?

YOuv'e got to be shittingme. At least quantify what you spout as axiomatic.

-Zulu
 
Zulu, I have been respectful to you regarding your full body workouts in this thread and others simply because I am on this board to learn and share the small amount of empirical knowledge I may have that might help someone. More importantly I respect everyone's right to their opinions, theories, etc. However, this thread is bothering me. Unlike Ingram, I don't have the self control to let this slide by completely unchallenged.

First off, stop using words from your high school thesaurus to try and strengthen your hipocritically unqualified statements.

While you're looking up pretty words, look up Sophist.

Are you telling me walking will require 4 days of rest? What about a submaximal set of lateral raises?

:rolleyes: Yes, when Ingram says "training" he is referring to "walking" and doing "lateral raises", jesus.

I want you to go to the gym tomorrow and do the following.....

Deadlifts
225 x 12
315 x 10
405 x 6
515 x 2
315 x 10

Bent over rows
185 x 12
225 x 10
265 x 6
225 x 10

Thats all....

#1 - In two days, let us know how your back is doing, k?

#2 - Since you do everything in one day.... Right after you do these back things try to squat. I dare you. I double dog dare you. What? You say you can't because you're too tired? Well, this is what is going to make your back grow, and if you're going to do legs, you'd better squat. Wipe the tears from your eyes and get off the floor.

#3 - You are 16. How many years(weeks) of experience can you possibly have to support your theories?

You can't even quantify what you're stating. What variables? Volume? Intensity? Effort? YOu don't mention ANY. Your statement is void of content.

Hmmm...I missed the part where you made that undeniably flawless argument for your training routine, with all those amazingly profound ideas and that brilliant "content". You're asking for his, yet we see jack shit from you.

I don't like arguing with people about different training routines, because I believe that this game is very individualistic and a wealth of different training ideas is very valuable. But, when someone with an already (very)weak training theory begins to preach as if he were SSAlexSS, it bothers me. In my opinion(see how adults qualify themselves?) full body training is bullshit if you want to be a bodybuilder. If your goal is to grow, like our friend who started this thread, then doing full body lifts several times a week is exactly what you don't want to do.

If your goal is to grace the cover of GQ or Men's Health magazine in a pair of pink CK underwear after 10 years of training, then by all means, do it your way. If you want to be a bodybuilder...well.

I'll tell you what. This is a waste of time, but I'm waiting to move in a few days and have nothing better to do. So, if you wish, why don't you break out your thersaurus, dictionary, go get your dad to help you and lay down your absolute best possible argument for your case. After I am overcome by your wealth of knowledge of physiology, and after I am done laughing, I will respond.
 
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My thread has been hijacked :mad:

Let me ask again. Could you guys please tell me if should I take my nitrotech shake everyday or just on workout days? And can I do cardio on rest days? *gritting teeth* Thank you.
 
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First off, stop using words from your high school thesaurus to try and strengthen your hipocritically unqualified statements."

How are my statements hypocritically unqualified? That doesn't even make any fucking sense. Did you even graduate from highschool. Try to remain coherent, I beg you.

" Yes, when Ingram says "training" he is referring to "walking" and doing "lateral raises", jesus. "

Then maybe he should QUALIFY WHAT HE SAYING. Capiche? Give an example or whatnot.

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#1 - In two days, let us know how your back is doing, k?"

I want you to do this:

Deadlift:

2*500 [strip plates off]
5*450 [strip plates off]
5*400 [strip plates off]
5*350 [strip plates off]
5*300 [strip plates off]
5*250 [strip plates off]
5*200 [strip plates off]
5*150 [strip plates off]
5*100 [strip plates off]

Trust, you won't be walking for days. Does this mean you training is productive? Give me a break.

"Wipe the tears from your eyes and get off the floor."

I wouldn't be doing 5 sets to failure on the DL because that's overtraining in the first place, you idiot. Your whole point is moot.

"#3 - You are 16. How many years(weeks) of experience can you possibly have to support your theories?"

Not many. How many years of experience does Arnold have? Do you take advice from him? Well you probably do, but anyways.

" Hmmm...I missed the part where you made that undeniably flawless argument for your training routine, with all those amazingly profound ideas and that brilliant "content". You're asking for his, yet we see jack shit from you. "

I NEVER TALKED ABOUT MY TRAINING. But Ingram stated something, all I ask is that he back it up and you stir up some diatribe 5 pages long.

"full body training is bullshit if you want to be a bodybuilder."

Tell that to Bill Pearl and other non steriod greats.

I'm not replying after this. You are not worth my time. Any expert would agree that what I said was correct; it's just basic stuff.

The guy said "YOU MUST REST FOR DAYS"

All I asked was "why" and I still don't have an answer.

-Zulu
 
How are my statements hypocritically unqualified? That doesn't even make any fucking sense. Did you even graduate from highschool. Try to remain coherent, I beg you.
My ignorant ass has a Masters degree. You're the one thats still in high school slick:o

I'm not replying after this. You are not worth my time. Any expert would agree that what I said was correct; it's just basic stuff.
The usual escape from an argument that you know you cannot win because you are wrong. Any expert huh? basic stuff? lol. Why don't you post some stats bro? Or, since "any" expert agrees with you, then post a couple.

Ingram was right. I was wrong in wasting board space and time attempting to argue intelligently with a 115 lb 16 year old. I apologize to everyone else.
 
A master's degree in WHAT, pray tell?

You were argueing intelligently? Give me a break? How about you get a REAL expert in here and make him defend your point of view. I'll never argue anything you say again, ok?

Why would you want my stats? What kind of cheap question is that. Knowledge is directly with proportional to the size of my biceps or what?

You were flat out wrong stating that a muscle needs 4 days rest. If you find a SINGLE source that proves this as fact I won't set foot on this board again.

I dare you.

-ZUlu
 
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Dude, where are your lower body exercises? You can't expect to grow to anywhere close to your full potential without lower body work. And I would have to say too much cardio...just like some other said, too much cardio is going to be detrimental to any serious gains. Another thing, getting something else besides Nitrotech protein, and do me a favor - don't ever buy a Muscletech product again :) My favorite is Optimum Nutrition's Whey, a hell of alot cheaper and better than any shitty product that Muscletech makes. And should you drink your protein on rest days as well? Yes you should. Should you do cardio on rest days? Yes, that is PRECISELY the time that you should be doing it if at all, and if you're trying to gain size here then you should cut back on it. I recommend that you work the whole body about once a week, or maybe once every 5-10 days, depending on how much time it takes your body to recuperate and how long it takes for your mental preparedness to send you into another hardcore workout again. Try this split for me, it's pretty basic, includes the core movements for all bodyparts and you shouldn't have too much trouble growing from this routine...
Monday - Chest/Back
Barbell or Dumbbell Flat Bench Press - 3x8-10
Dumbbell Flye - 2x8-10
Deadlifts, basic mass builder for lower back, make sure to warm up thoroughly for this one - 5x8-12 *includes warm ups*
Bent Over Barbell Rows, your basic mass builder for upper back - 3x8-10

Tuesday - Rest/light cardio

Wednesday - Shoulders/Biceps/Triceps
Overhead Press - 3x8-10
Bent Over Lateral Raises - 3x8-10
Close Grip Bench Press - 3x8-10
Triceps Extensions, can be done with either an EZ bar, barbell or with dumbbells - 3x8-12
Standing Barbell Curls or Preacher Curls *which I recommend* - 3x8-12
Alternating Dumbbell Curls - 3x8-10

Thursday - Rest/light cardio

Friday - Legs
Squats - 5x8-15, make sure to warm up for these and LEARN TO PERFORM THESE PROPERLY. Start out light!
Hamstring Curls *Leg Curls* - 3x10-12
Standing Calf Raises - 3x10-15

Sat/Sunday - Rest

I recommend doing light cardio on your rest days as soon as you wake up and before your first meal. Nothing too heavy, especially after leg day. Make sure you are getting at least 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight, and depending upon your body composition, adjust your carbs accordingly, and be sure to take in some carbs right after your workout, and eat a small meal of protein *or a shake* about 30 mins - 1hr later. Get a multivitamin/mineral supplement, this is a must. Take it in the morning after you eat and right after you workout as well. What I have prescribed for you are basic, mass building exercises that are age-old in their ability to promote quality muscle gain...that is...if you LET them. What I mean is making sure your diet is balanced and that you get enough sleep at night *I recommend no less than 7 hours a night* and that you don't go too heavy on the cardio. What is your current calorie intake? Kick it up a notch...say...500 calories. Make sure it all comes from good sources. Lean sources of protein like: chicken, lean cuts of beef, fish, cottage cheese, a good whey protein. Go for mostly carbs that are on the lower end of the glycemic index, meaning that they won't spike your blood sugar too much *meaning they give you long term energy*: yams, potatoes, brown rice, whole wheat bread, whole wheat pasta, pears, oatmeal, and take in some simple carbs right after your workout so that it will spike your insulin and send all those nutrients to your muscles, fruit juice is a good idea. Your fats should come from just as good of sources, and lean more towards your better dietary fats, i.e. unsaturated fats, since saturated fats are very hard for your body to burn. Good sources are fatty, cold water fish *salmon, etc*, nuts and seeds, extra virgin olive oil, etc. Stay away from fried foods, junk food and sweets. Even though you and I are both young *I'm 18* it sure as hell don't hurt to start eating right. Like I said, get atleast one gram of quality protein per pound of bodyweight, and keep your carbs about where your protein is, and if you don't feel like you're getting enough then bump them up. As for fats, make them no more than 30% and no less than 15% of your daily intake. If you find yourself gaining too much fat, reduce your calories, but make those calories come from carbs rather than protein and high-quality dietary fats. If you need any exercise explanations then drop me a line back. Oh and hey...why does high school suck for ya? I am a senior and it fuckin kicked ass for me, and I can tell college is going to kick even MORE ass! What are you having problems with? Is that a reason that you're starting to lift? Oh yah and hey...high school AND college girls, hell women in general, like muscles ;) Stay in touch with me, I'm here for ya.
 
sorry there highschool, but i gotta keep this thread offtopic for a sec :)

I believe that there are only 3 muscle groups which if you want to grow, you can still work everyday. THose are calves, abs, and forearms. Anything else will require sufficient rest.
There is simply no way that full body workouts are any good if you wanna get big. If you wanna stay cut at 130lbs, by all means, I would completely recommend a full body workout. But if you wanna put meat on those bones, then you're gonna have to drop those pink dumbells and hit the squat rack. I forget who said it, but they had a very valid point. The 3 main exercises for growth are bench press, squats, and deadlifts. No real workout regime would be complete without those 3 exercises. Now, I, like most of the people here, have realworld knowledge on weight training, not what some 12 yearold told us on teenbodybuilding.com or whatever. Have you ever done squats before? Were you able to lift any heavy weight after that? then you weren't going heavy enough and you wont grow. When I'm done with squats, I'm seeing double and im completely spent, and I only do 5 sets 6-10 reps. At this point, there is no way in hell i could deadlift anything more than my towel, so i have no idea how you can do everything in one day, unless you're more Fina than man.

oh well, proove me wrong.
 
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