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O.K guys..............

I know alot of you tried H.I.T. before and maybe it has not worked for you before......................things have probable changed since last time you have checked! The most effective way to do a H.I.T. workout is to split it up. Now, explosive movements.....I am glad you brought that up! You are correct....but only half correct. This is how you use explosive movements in your exercises.............for example incline bench press.....as your lowering the bar to your chest, before it touches your chest you go from a downward movement and quickly reverse direction as in a snap.....this normally would be called using momentum. Doing this only at the bottom of that exercise cause a major muscular contraction, thus stimulating growth!
These subjects again are missing from Heavy Duty books, but in this video I have been talking about shows you! There is so much more than just training to failure. If you put or include these few little details in your workouts......makes a difference!
I am glad NFG123 you are now paying attention!
I wish these things were more clear in the Heavy Duty books....this would lead to a better understanding of the whole concept of Heavy Duty! This is the only mistake Mentzer has made, but again the video with introduce things that have been missed. I have been studying H.I.T for awhile and I found this to be the most result producing workouts out there!!!!
Now.....NFG123....try this first!
Add some rest days in between your workouts.......then when your progress slows again......drop some sets......then add some more rest days...ect...ect....ect
This way you dont have to convert right away!
The name of the game is recuperation and this is as just as important as training! If your body can recuperate doing 6 to 9 sets per bodypart great......but soon you have to degrade those sets due to your recovery ability catching up with you thus to compensate you reduce your training or the amout of overload!
No one routine is perfect unless you make it perfect for yourself!
Mentzer's routines are said in the book as a suggested routine and therefore is to be used as a guide. To first achieve your goal you must know your body and how it adapts to things such as training, food and recuperation. I have various books on the subject and I am not trying to lead you astray, but help you the best way I know how. The post I put up about recovery is not just very important it everything! This is what holds people back for reaching their goals.
NFG123 try what I said....you wont be disappointed!
 
Re: Re: HIT AGAIN

Blood&Iron said:

Now this is comedy.:D


BTW, Max-OT is somewhat HIT-like in its recommendations.

As for whole-body routines, I've never made great progress using them. I prefer to split things up a bit, but keep my volume quite low. I am open to other approaches, however. My next mass-cycle I plan on trying German Volume. And I may give Brian Haycock's Hypertrophy Specific Training a shot at some point(Though the fact that it is a periodized approach makes me suspicious.) Some HIT guys would castigate me for trying these things, but I think one should be open-minded. The biggest problem I have with Mentzer, Hutchins, etc. is the idea that there is one "perfect" way to do things. HIT is great. Is it the only system that will work? No. Dogmatism is endemic to the lifting community. Frequently discussions are reduced to: "Westside is best." "No, Westside sucks, SuperSlow is best." carried on ad nauseum. I do my best to fight this kind of crap. Hard, progressive work, plenty of rest, and eating well are the most important factors to any approach.

NO! Don't leave the HIT style! J/K of course...

Btw, keep us posted on your progress with those other styles when you try them out. I'm very curious about other lifting methodologies...
 
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DaCypher said:


NO! Don't leave the HIT style! J/K of course...

Btw, keep us posted on your progress with those other styles when you try them out. I'm very curious about other lifting methodologies...
Well, this probably more properly belongs in your thread on training frequency for calves and forearms, but I've been experimenting with calf-training. I've been dieting for the past 5 weeks and while dieting I usually add in a moderate amount of cardio. This consists of 30 minutes on a treadmill at a 15 degree angle at about 3.5-4 mph, performed 3 times a week. My calves get noticeably bigger from this even though I'm dieting. Well, figuring this is a consequence of a high-volume of low intensity work, I figure I'd take the idea even further. So I've started doing a calf workout after every cardio session, which consists of:
10x10 calf-raises performed on the leg-press
5x10 seated calf-raises
I take minimal rest--about a minute between sets--and none of the sets are to failure. Basically, this is quite similar to German Volume Training(GVT). I've read a number of things on GVT from several authors whom I respect, saying that if one has been performing low-reps for an extended period of time switching to GVT may result in very impressive results in hypertrophy. The fact that I'm dieting, will of course, seriously compromise my results, but I thought I'd give it a try anyway. So far, so good.
 
well......

The calf muscle has the ability to recover faster than any of the muscles and the factor of you not training to failure also helps you to recover quicker! Just curious......how is the rest of your training going? This muscle is a trickey subject!!!!!!!!!!
As far as GVT your body has the ability to adapt to things, but it won't be long before it comes to a dead stop. Your body has to overcome and recover from each workout....so with GVD you are not pushing to your limits (failure) each and every set. Let me ask you this.........if....and if you know that you could train very briefly, but really intense and you will see results on almost a no stop basis vrs training for hours and your progress is limited....what would you choose? I know that nothing is infinate, but you will get double or triple the amount of gains before you reach that point on a system which allows you to fully recover. I personally like a routine that I can control the overtraining factor and I will know right away when my progress is starting to stall! Which leads me to........most people will gain off of any specific routine, if it is a reasonable one --- but not for long! The whole concept is that your body can take a certian amout of abuse for only so long as with your ability to recover from workout to workout. What ever you choose.....good luck! One more thing........Have you noticed that you always come back stronger after a layoff.......this makes my case of overtraining that you dug such a deep hole in your recovery system that you needed all that time to recover from all that and put you back into the positive of the recovery system again. This is what people call peroidization!
 
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transplant said:
The calf muscle has the ability to recover faster than any of the muscles and the factor of you not training to failure also helps you to recover quicker! Just curious......how is the rest of your training going? This muscle is a trickey subject!!!!!!!!!!
As far as GVT your body has the ability to adapt to things, but it won't be long before it comes to a dead stop. Your body has to overcome and recover from each workout....so with GVD you are not pushing to your limits (failure) each and every set. Let me ask you this.........if....and if you know that you could train very briefly, but really intense and you will see results on almost a no stop basis vrs training for hours and your progress is limited....what would you choose? I know that nothing is infinate, but you will get double or triple the amount of gains before you reach that point on a system which allows you to fully recover. I personally like a routine that I can control the overtraining factor and I will know right away when my progress is starting to stall! Which leads me to........most people will gain off of any specific routine, if it is a reasonable one --- but not for long! The whole concept is that your body can take a certian amout of abuse for only so long as with your ability to recover from workout to workout. What ever you choose.....good luck! One more thing........Have you noticed that you always come back stronger after a layoff.......this makes my case of overtraining that you dug such a deep hole in your recovery system that you needed all that time to recover from all that and put you back into the positive of the recovery system again. This is what people call peroidization!
Don't take this the wrong way, but I think a great many people get turned off to HIT because of this sort of preachiness. Now what you've written here isn't all that bad, but if you'd been on the boards for a little while and seen some of my previous posts you'd have seen I've one of the biggest proponents of HIT. I'm plenty familiar with Jones' theories(I don't consider Mentzer to have added all that much to his concepts, though he refined them a bit, as have Ken Hutchins and a number of other people) and there are flaws in certain aspects of their reasoning. When I start to use GVT it will only be for 2-4 weeks, and I think most authors recommend only a short time of using this. The idea is simply to foster sarcoplasmic(non-contractile) growth which does not tend to occur with low-volume approaches.
 
Sorry man,

yeah I have been preaching alot lately!
It just seems alot of guys are confused or just curious. There is just so much to H.I.T. that is not discussed or just plain missed!
Mentzer is misunderstood alot and even in his book Heavy Duty II is sort of confusing with his listed routine! I like his routine, but as far as legs twice before the upperbody has been completed is not that great of an idea untill your in the stage of which your finding you have to take more than 5 or 6 days to recover from a upper body workout. This is when his idea should be introduced.
Anyway, glad to hear your a H.I.T. man!
 
what I ............

I mean that after 5 or 6 days of rest and little or no increase in weight or reps, using the current Heavy Duty II workout. That is when you do the legs twice vrs ruducing the training or adding extra rest days more than specified!
Jones is the MAN and Mentzer has added to the Jones theory alittle........as a matter of fact he refers to Jones alot in his books and from reading his books, the only thing that has really changed is the subject of recovery ability......which is very important! Not familiar with Ken Hutchins though! If I not mistaken I have seen bits of his writings on cyberpump. I will check it it!
Thanks
 
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transplant said:
I mean that after 5 or 6 days of rest and little or no increase in weight or reps, using the current Heavy Duty II workout. That is when you do the legs twice vrs ruducing the training or adding extra rest days more than specified!
Jones is the MAN and Mentzer has added to the Jones theory alittle........as a matter of fact he refers to Jones alot in his books and from reading his books, the only thing that has really changed is the subject of recovery ability......which is very important! Not familiar with Ken Hutchins though! If I not mistaken I have seen bits of his writings on cyberpump. I will check it it!
Thanks
Hutchins is the guy who "invented" SuperSlow(tm), though the concept of performing very sloooow reps has been around for a long time. If nothing else, he patented the idea. I think he's got some interesting things to say about exercise, but he and his followers(Andrew Baye is/was one of his most vocal proponents and has a number of writings on Cyberpump, in addition to having designed the original site.) tend to be pretty fanatical which really turns me off. Hutchins is a friend of Ellington Darden, who for a time, and maybe still, espouses SuperSlow. Hutchins worked with him and Jones at Nautilus. Jones has said some really negative things about Hutchins(I'm not sure, but I think he threatened death against him. Typically of Arthur.) Mentzer and Hutchins also had some pretty heated exchanges if I recall correctly. The biggest strike against him IMO is that my favorite guru, Lyle McDonald, really hates him. It's hard to know whom to believe, but I tend to go with McDonald. I don't think anybody has all the answers, though.
 
Transplant,

I once asked Mike about his HDII workout, and why upper body was only completely worked every two weeks. His exact words to me were, "Charles, I'm disappointed in you." He then began to explain the concept of overlap. If you look at the chest/back routine, you will see that the isolation exercises focus on the chest/back, but the compound movements also work the shoulders/arms. The same holds true for the shoulder/arm day. Basically, what Mike discovered was that his clients were not getting enough recovery while doing shoulder/arms and chest/back in the same week due to overlap. Given that localized and systemic recovery can take up to 96 hours and overcompensation (growth) can take up to another 96 hours, this would make sense.
 
Charlie B

I know.........I guess I am looking for an excuse to train upperbody more often! He is my problem with my routine......
Now chest and back day:
After training chest i am pooped! Training back at that time is a chore for me! Along with this......my triceps are so damm sore even when I pre-exhaust the chest. My chest recovers faster and have to wait on the tri's.....fuck-up huh? Now I have just started this .....let me know how you feel about this:
Day 1
chest and biceps
Day 2
Legs
Day 3
Back and triceps
Day 4
Legs

Now this way on day 3 when I do triceps I am still involving chest in that superset and also can devote full intensity to the back without the problem of cardiorespiratory insufficiency! Now I just completed the day 3 and seem to have been able to really blast my back!
What do you think? Should I just rest longer after doing chest, than do back?
 
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