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Hello all my aas forum friends. Just thought I would take the time to ask.

In the main the board is a lot cleaner certainly now a lot of the sources have gone that used to sponsor forums.

What i would say is a lot of the strong debate has gone because a lot of the characters have gone (which as per the above comment is not all bad). It seems there is far more Supps sales and discussion than pure AAS usage.

I remember when Nelson first came to Elite (1st time round) his views were well put and with substance but were very opposite to the then ''guru's''. This caused some drama but more importantly it cause though provoking debate which tested some of the recognised theories that were around. Just seems at present there is not the strong debate as there are not so many opinionated members

On a whole good IMHO but could do with more actual AAS debate and discussion rather than SUPPS in this forum

Wrongun!

you might not be looking in the right threads bro. Follow tat around you will get plenty of debate out of her.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...lth-red-bull-others-609977-6.html#post8451987

also

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...adotropin-end-your-cycle-gain-lbm-610453.html


http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...recommending-testosterone-newbies-610181.html




this ones starting off nice.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...an-methenolone-anavar-oxandrolone-610367.html


There is plenty of debate but not even half as much big heads and fights. We can always bring ross back again?
 
you might not be looking in the right threads bro. Follow tat around you will get plenty of debate out of her.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...lth-red-bull-others-609977-6.html#post8451987

also

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...adotropin-end-your-cycle-gain-lbm-610453.html


http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...recommending-testosterone-newbies-610181.html




this ones starting off nice.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...an-methenolone-anavar-oxandrolone-610367.html


There is plenty of debate but not even half as much big heads and fights. We can always bring ross back again?

lol @ ross starting fights in aas or people starting fights with him :p
 
The problem then was that some Mods where more worried about being right and building up their prestige, than the actual quality of information available to the members. So they would edit and delete posts with opposing views to their during those debates. Nelson's posts where edited/deleted several times by the same people that should have been nurturing an open exchange of ideas.

We have a much more open minded atmosphere now. Nobody gets deleted or edited unless they break the rules... The debates are still there, they just don't get ugly like they use to. The exchange of ideas is free and without friction.

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Agree 100% and as you know i was a strong supporter of Nelson having his own forum and being on the site that is not that i agree with his theories in fact there are a few i really do not grasp or accommodate BUT it made the user think and open their views and Nelson always gave a strong debate for his views.

The downside was that some who had great knowledge could not undertake debate which was to the benefit of the board and did start to edit threads (Fonz) which was worthless.

My point being those sorts of debates that get into the real theory over user experiences are no longer there (yes i have seen the threads that have been promoted) but they do not challenge theories such as the bridgeing debate.

A lot of the actual chemical knowledge has gone and replaced with SUPP knowledge which is fine as that is how the market is going and the board is far better without the dram i agree but the thread was for comments and that is my opinion i am not saying it is not better but there has been a trade off from indepth chemical debate to more SUPP discussion / people patting each other on the back and all being very nice and loving rather than actual in depth discussion. Bit like the 1960's and flower power over the punk era of 1970's if you get my meaning

Nothing wrong with both just different but yes a trade off IMHO

Wrongun!
 
A lot of the actual chemical knowledge has gone and replaced with SUPP knowledge which is fine as that is how the market is going and the board is far better without the drama I agree but the thread was for comments and that is my opinion i am not saying it is not better but there has been a trade off from indepth chemical debate to more SUPP discussion / people patting each other on the back and all being very nice and loving rather than actual in depth discussion. Bit like the 1960's and flower power over the punk era of 1970's if you get my meaning

Nothing wrong with both just different but yes a trade off IMHO

Wrongun!



I will disagree with you about some things.

The community does choose its own path and leads itself. The Admins have very little control over the overall flow of the information here.

That being said:

-There is still plenty of chemical knowledge here. The search engine can reveal that in a few seconds. It can answer ALL of your questions.

-There has been a shift towards responsible use, and long-term health that was lacking years before with some of the prior "gurus" on the forum.

-There has been a shift towards the exploration of legal alternatives to Steroids and not just promoting them as a first choice.

The major changes came in the way of doing away with the talk about UG Labs... There were guys here who would post daily and heavily vouch for one lab or the other whenever their name was mentioned. They hung around here for the sole purpose of talking about the Steroids made by their favorite labs... Once we banned the mention of UG Labs, those guys left. Since they could not "vouch" for their people, they found no interest in being here and serving the community... I'll leave it to you to figure out why.

That's where most of the "debate" went. With the guys who liked to debate about what Lab was better than the other, and who would ALWAYS promote AAS as the first choice... Again, I will leave it up to you to determine their motivation.
 
I will disagree with you about some things.

The community does choose its own path and leads itself. The Admins have very little control over the overall flow of the information here.

That being said:

-There is still plenty of chemical knowledge here. The search engine can reveal that in a few seconds. It can answer ALL of your questions.

-There has been a shift towards responsible use, and long-term health that was lacking years before with some of the prior "gurus" on the forum.

-There has been a shift towards the exploration of legal alternatives to Steroids and not just promoting them as a first choice.

The major changes came in the way of doing away with the talk about UG Labs... There were guys here who would post daily and heavily vouch for one lab or the other whenever their name was mentioned. They hung around here for the sole purpose of talking about the Steroids made by their favorite labs... Once we banned the mention of UG Labs, those guys left. Since they could not "vouch" for their people, they found no interest in being here and serving the community... I'll leave it to you to figure out why.

That's where most of the "debate" went. With the guys who liked to debate about what Lab was better than the other, and who would ALWAYS promote AAS as the first choice... Again, I will leave it up to you to determine their motivation.

Again i agree and yes change and for the better i am certainly not adverse to it and it needed to happen as i was one of the strongest opposes to the sources sponsoring forums and basically taking over. That has been resolved and resolved very well IMHO.

In answer to your question about motivation then it was very clear and unfortunately there was a lot of rot that had to be taken out - which has been - BUT a lot of the chemical knowledge that is retained in the database did come from the same members that really had to go. It was and is a trade off and IMHO you made the right choice to move forward and for the business.

Time will bridge that knowledge gap as new members arrive and theories are once again tested.

What i will disagree with you about is the responsible use of AAS. That has not IMHO the case as i am not debating if a user should take AAS they are over 18 and can make their own choices. The dosages have not changed and are still way over what 99.9% of the users require. The information is available with the advent of the internet where as a few years back (probably in mine and Nelsons era) dosages were far lower but theories that have been proved inaccurate were not challenged as the only real reference was Dan Duchaine and other ''test pilots'' in gyms. What has come into play are massively complicated high dosage blends of products all in 1 vial which is far from responsible as i read so many times about products holding 500mg of blended active ingredient in 1ml of liquid. These are very commonly used and considered normal which is IMHO bizzare.

Lastly with regards the SUPPS i would agree many are looking at alternatives and i have posted on a few occasions asking do users actually see the modern day supps overtaking AAS. My thoughts were that so much R&D goes into these SUPPS in what is a very agressive market place and one designed for the fitness and BB arena surely they could become a very real legal alternative to AAS. On the 2 or 3 occasions i asked this the members categorically stated NEVER AAS are always the preferred.

I understand that boards need to have a revenue stream and yes SUPPS have a very important place in this sport but my feelings are - going back to the original question- that the board has changed far for the better and will build up again much healthier BUT currently my opinion is

Too many SUPPS discussions and advertising on the AAS forum maybe should be on a SUPPS forum

Too much he is great - she is great threads and nothing to do with AAS

To give you an idea excluding the pinned threads at the top of the page i have counted 46 live threads out of which 26 relate to AAS, pct (although does have its own forum), gyno etc (at time of writing this reply)

The rest are how great members are, SUPP advertising or Karma

Again i am not saying its bad its just the pendulum needs to come back towards the AAS more in the AAS forum but WITHOUT the drama that Elite was known for

Overall very pleased with the changes and the management of the boards just my opinion is there should be more AAS discussion & debate and clear a lot of the he's great she's great, good bro, etc etc. That will add good data to the search facility which remains the best on the net

Wrongun!
 
We have some ideas for the sups forum we are working on. Let it be noted that plans to do just what you are talking about is in the works bro. Thank you for adding to the site.
 
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It's hard for me to take anyone seriously, who's Avy looks like a fucking Scooby Doo Character !!!
 
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