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sh4dowf4lcon
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Isn't nandrolone cypionate also similar to NPP. There is a 10ml/300mg per ml from australlian anabolic. This is a faster acting shorter life nandrolone as well I believe. In the past it was marketed as Dynabol.
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DepressiveJuice
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whats his diet look like?
Texas Ranger
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I have no doubt that NPP is great stuff, but I'm willing to bet a year's salary that his diet is responsible for the GREAT gains he's receiving.
bigerisbetter
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That is some good gains but how maqny cycles has he done?
Texas Ranger
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Serge, what were his stats before the cycle??
serge
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DepressiveJuice said:
5-6 meals per day, 1g/protein/lb of bodyweight, 3.5g/carbs/lb of bodyweight (at least, some times more), his protein sources are a mix of vegies, chicken, tuna (fucker drinks tuna-shakes), met-rx (GNC is running a special on old stock, met-rx lite boxs for something like $7 per box). for carbs he eats lots of rice (oriental fuck), some whole wheat bread
Lift Chief
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What kind of NPP is he running? Or is it homemade?
DNIndustry
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I am interested in this serge.
What does his water retention look like even though he is on that much femara?
Has this guy been lifting a while?
I think that the huge jump in weight could be attributed to the fact that he is actually eating now.
So many people starve them selves when lifting; yet think they are getting enough.
What does his water retention look like even though he is on that much femara?
Has this guy been lifting a while?
I think that the huge jump in weight could be attributed to the fact that he is actually eating now.
So many people starve them selves when lifting; yet think they are getting enough.
serge
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DNIndustry said:
water retention is NONEXISTENT, he looks much leaner, he lost some baby-fat from his face
he has been lisfting since 1993.......wow thats 10 years
his eating habits deffinetly improved, but its not that big of a factor, the kid has GREAT genetics, his was the best at ALL the sports that we did in high school, almost made ALL-AMERICAN in swimming but got kicked off the team for missing too many practice sessions
serge
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DNIndustry, his gains are not even the point of this thread, my entire point is that you dont need much gear when you are just starting, there was a thread on here a couple of days ago with a kid running 1.5grams/week on his first cycle, woundering why he stoped gaining after putting on 25lbs
jasonstrong
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I was going to say something but re read the replies and found it to be his first cycle....
My only comment from experience is that I never really grew untill I added test.
My first cycle was 4 weeks of dball gained 8 lbs
2nd cycle was deca 200mgs a week gained 8 lbs in 6 weeks
My third cycle was 200 mgs of TE and gained 15 lbs in 4 weeks
It should be noted that this was way before the net, o'er 9 years ago, and the only information I had was from Fred Hatfields book and Muscle and fitness and word of mouth in the gym 6 week cycles were the norm...don't ask me why....and I never heard of clomid or nolvadex..luckilly at 22 I recovered quickly.
But know ing what I know now I could have easily put on 30-40 lbs that first year...I did not eat nearly enuff because I was in college and basically back then you could only afford gnc mlk n egg protein...Met-RX was like $65 for a months' supply.
My only comment from experience is that I never really grew untill I added test.
My first cycle was 4 weeks of dball gained 8 lbs
2nd cycle was deca 200mgs a week gained 8 lbs in 6 weeks
My third cycle was 200 mgs of TE and gained 15 lbs in 4 weeks
It should be noted that this was way before the net, o'er 9 years ago, and the only information I had was from Fred Hatfields book and Muscle and fitness and word of mouth in the gym 6 week cycles were the norm...don't ask me why....and I never heard of clomid or nolvadex..luckilly at 22 I recovered quickly.
But know ing what I know now I could have easily put on 30-40 lbs that first year...I did not eat nearly enuff because I was in college and basically back then you could only afford gnc mlk n egg protein...Met-RX was like $65 for a months' supply.
drrman
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yeh bro, i can say from experience that that is TOO much femara. NO ESTROGEN is bad, and 2.5mg will take it ALL away. for me it killed my sex drive, made me an emotionless asshole, sore joints, and did i mention it killed my sex drive!!!....all while on 1 gram of test...serge said:
Texas Ranger
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Serge, what was your client's stats(ie. age, height, etc...) before starting the cycle?
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DepressiveJuice
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DRRman said:
have you ever used 1g of test before? if youre on too much test, it can kill your sex drive
drrman
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well if you read my post you'll see it said i was on one gram of test, i stayed on one gram of test virtually all last summer, 4 months straight....now, when i took femara in high dosages, 2.5mg per day, i had all those symptoms, i could drop the femara and return to normal, 2.5mg EOD is the most i could handle, 1.25mg EOD is plenty if you ask me...
Im saying all this from experience, im not quoting jounals and studies, i know this, you can believe me if you want, or you can ignore it. I've done 2 grams of sust per week for 10 weeks with just nolvadex, i got fat, held water, but i was ALWAYS horny, so i don't think too much test causes me to lose libidio, but i do know too much femara will do it.
Im only on anavar and creatine right now, i guarantee you i could take femara four days in a row and my sex drive would plummit
Im saying all this from experience, im not quoting jounals and studies, i know this, you can believe me if you want, or you can ignore it. I've done 2 grams of sust per week for 10 weeks with just nolvadex, i got fat, held water, but i was ALWAYS horny, so i don't think too much test causes me to lose libidio, but i do know too much femara will do it.
Im only on anavar and creatine right now, i guarantee you i could take femara four days in a row and my sex drive would plummit
jasonstrong
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DRRman said:
One of the biggest mistakes in cycle design is the misuse and over use of anti-E's as DRR has pointed out from experience...hopefully I can dig up some old info on the importance of estrogen and muscle/fat weight gain in conjunction with test.
serge
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jasonstrong said:
two of you are missing the point, my clients goals are NOT to blow the fuck up and make it completely obvious to EVERY dumb-fuck with half a brain that he is cranking, his goal is NOT even to max out the gains, all he wanted is additional 10-20 SOLID, FAT-FREE, BLOAT-FREE MUSCLE; and that is exactly what he is getting. with that said, i do agree that full dose of femera is a bit too much, BUT AT THE SAME TIME I DONT BELEAVE THERE ARE ANY BENEFITS OF CIRCULATING ESTROGEN IN THE MALE BODY
DeepZenPill
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I think someone else is missing the point. He would have no estrogenic sides at half the dose of femara he's running now. Too much is too much. That kid who was using a gram of test didn't have any sides, but does that mean he should've gone on using it? His problem was too much test, your client's problem is too little estrogen.
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