Fear overtraining with WSB?

[Liftbig]

extra workouts are good but dont over do them.,

i do 1-2 extra workouts a week.

tuesday ill do rev hypers for 3-4 sets at about 200 lbs
then do 2-3 high rep standing abs with the blue band
then drag the sled for hips


saturday i will again do rev hypers w/ 200 pounds or so
do some standing abs
then drag for distance about 3-4 trips

sometimes for upper body ill just do 3 sets of 15 with 155 on the bench after squat workouts. but usually my upper body recovers fine without them.

 

[Tarheel]

Yeah I've modified it a lot, especially the DE Bench days. I'm still tweaking it some though, and moving some of the stuff around.

I think I might get some mini-bands just for DE Bench and active recovery.

 

[BodybuildingUniverse]

My $.02: I think trying to train just like westside without taking the same "supps" they do is like all the beginner bodybuilding kids out there following the "Mr. O" routine in FLEX. Overtraining is just around the corner.

 

[spatts]

My $.02: I think trying to train just like westside without taking the same "supps" they do is like all the beginner bodybuilding kids out there following the "Mr. O" routine in FLEX. Overtraining is just around the corner.

I'm able to do it just fine...with a handy little thing called

A C T I V E

R E C O V E R Y

 

[makedah]

When I overtrained in early 2002, it I did it going full tilt on video fitness tapes (cardio + low weight/high reps) and running.

from http://www.deepsquatter.com/strength/archives/dtate4.htm

Myth #4: Westside training will not work for drug free lifters

It must be a sign that just after I typed the last statement I received a call from Bartett Eastman of Auburn, Alabama. After some time on the phone with him discussing training theory and methods I discovered that he is a drug free power lifter that up until 18 months ago trained using the standard approach to power lifting. The western method as discussed above. This training lead him to many missed peaks and terrible constant elbow pain. His lifts were stuck at a 450 squat, 300 bench and a 530 dead lift for over a year. He switched to using the Westside methods utilizing the max effort, dynamic effort and repetition methods. After 14 months training this way his lifts went up to a 600 squat, 400 bench and a 610 dead lift. His 50-year young father also made the switch after being stuck as well and went up from lifts of 400 squat, 200 bench, and 450 dead lift to new records of 475 squat, 250 bench, and 500 dead lift. I guess you can teach an old dog new tricks. Did I mention they are both drug free? I asked Barrett what advise he would give to other drug free lifters. He told me do not change a thing about the program. He has seen it not work when they try to add in extra rest days, increase supplementary volume, not box squat, and doing to many heavy sets. He also suggested learning about the system first by reading the articles then get he videos. The videos helped him tie everything together by reinforcing the proper execution of some of the special exercises such as a JM Press, Board Press, Carpet Press, Good Morning Squat,ect.
Keep in mind workload is determined by the absolute strength of the lifter. Will an 800-pound drug free lifter be able to handle the same workload as an 800-pound squatter who uses drugs? Why not? The problem lies with the 400-pound squatter doing the same workload as the 800-pound squatter. Most drug free lifters fall in this category. If you are training drug free it is very important to know your strength and stay within your training workload.
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Of course I wouldn't know for sure, but I would guess that this chickie is probably drug-free: http://www.elitefts.com/documents/Krista.htm

 

[rjl296]

that chick is from my town !!

 

[circusgirl]

I'm imagining the 800 pound lifter. Oh, he means lifter who can SQUAT 800 pounds. I see .

 

[BigD50]

I don't have anything against the Westside way other than:

1. I'm tired of reading in every article I see that they have this many lifters squating this much, benching this much, blah, blah. Save it already.

2. I've seen a few lifts in the Westside friendly meets and judging and equipment rules seemed a bit lax.

3. Prove to me that just by changing a few inches in range of motion that it taxes the CNS any differently. If you go from a floor press to a board presses, etc. how does that change much? You could actually tax your CNS more by adding volume and cutting the weight in half, changing intensity, or run a few miles and see how wiped out you are. Ask a neurologist or a sports medicine doctor about it and see what they have to say.

Also in my humble opinion I think that a normal natural lifter would have a tough time following the Westside principles completly without drugs. I think a modified system of Westside and others ways along with breaks from the heavy lifting is the only way to consistantly make progress. It all depends on the person and their goals.

 

[spatts]

Any neurologist would tell you that you can't train the neve without training the muscle because the nerve and muscle together make up a motor unit and are nothing without eachother. I spent DAYS with a physiologist on the women's board dispelling the myth of this training being "mostly CNS." I don't think Louie ever said it, I think alot of people that were looking for a reason to justify weight : strength ratios said it. In either case, you're right. It's not only untrue, but impossible.

I personally like this training, follow as close to the book as possible, without getting a lesson from Tate or Simmons themselves. I'm not "on," I think I'm pretty "normal," and it works for me. It won't work for everyone though.

I thought this thread was about whether or not we worried about being over trained with WSB training. Conditioning has to be factored, among other things, but in general I make it a point to be more concerned with under-recovering than over-training.

BTW, what is a "Westside friendly meet?"

 

[Tarheel]

Any type of movement or low impact exercise would be considered active recovery, right?

So like riding a (real) bike on some trails, or doing some benches with just the bar or like 65 lbs, doing some squats with just the bar, etc. All of that would be AR, as well as work with the bands, right?

My bands wont be here for a while.