Ecstasy Use During As Cycle

[PANTS]

Firstly I'm sorry if this is out of line and not within the interests of this board to talk about this subject.
The thing, is I would like to be informed to help out a buddy, who has been takine E's even though he's on AS.
He's been on Oral Winny (like 40-50mg/day) for 3 weeks now, and for the last 2 weekends he has taken 1-3 pills of E.
The thing is, both times he has really sketched out and acted really weird, not really enjoying his roll. Very paranoid too.
Are the two chemicals interacting negatively?
He doesn't drink, but does smoke a little pot at the weekend too.
I keep telling him he's pissing away his gains, but he just won't listen.
He thinks its doing him no harm.
Thoughts please?
P

 

[Sinistar]

i imagine supra phsysiological test levels would greatly affect a roll. the kind of interactions you should worry about are the death kind, which there are none with E. sure hes pissing his gains away, but all work and no play makes jack a dull boy.

 

[guards]

tell you're "buddy" that if he's mixing hormones and rec drugs he obviously isn't prepared or dedicated enough to be using these substances.

My 2 cents

 

[kronk]

tell you're "buddy" that if he's mixing hormones and rec drugs he obviously isn't prepared or dedicated enough to be using these substances.

My 2 cents

Word

 

[Fukkenshredded]

Mixing winny and X will give him hep...I got hep that way exactly. Winstrol + ecstasy can kill you. Tell him to stop fucking around.

 

[SofaGeorge]

The thing is, both times he has really sketched out and acted really weird, not really enjoying his roll. Very paranoid too.
Are the two chemicals interacting negatively?

Ding ding ding. Red Alert.

People with undiagnosed bipolar syndrome react like this to E.

 

[sk*]

I swear if people were "smart" I would be all for legalization of all drugs. The problem is they aren't, and because of this the government will lose more money if they made them legal.

How can anyone put anything in their body and not read about it, at least a little? It sounds riddiculous and irresponsible to me.

-sk

 

[Golfer18]

tell you're "buddy" that if he's mixing hormones and rec drugs he obviously isn't prepared or dedicated enough to be using these substances.

My 2 cents

I agree.

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

tell you're "buddy" that if he's mixing hormones and rec drugs he obviously isn't prepared or dedicated enough to be using these substances.

My 2 cents

Could not of said it any better.

Besides the fact he is waisting money on AAS he is just waisting it. Taking E and dancing around is like doing 2hours of cardio a day. How can u expect to get good gains.

He might be a cool guy(i mean no offense) but he is being STUPID!

 

[Riker29]

Could not of said it any better.

Besides the fact he is waisting money on AAS he is just waisting it. Taking E and dancing around is like doing 2hours of cardio a day. How can u expect to get good gains.

He might be a cool guy(i mean no offense) but he is being STUPID!

Yup.

Darwin was right.


Please, when he croaks, just make sure that it's handled by private care and not my tax dollars. I am sick of my tax money being paid to try to help dumbasses that choose to do stupid shit.

Your friend is a dumbass. I think YOU are being a cool buddy by trying to help, but your best thing to do is tell the dude straight up that he is f'ing up.

 

[bunkka]

This thread is much ado about nothing.

You hypocrits who are so ademately against ecstasy are no better than those who are not in the know about AAS who throw around comments like "steroids kill you!", "You're going to turn into a raging lunatic!", etc..

I cycle AAS on occassion. I like my occassional drink of alcohol. I like to roll a little on occassion, too.

If you do 3 pills in one night, you're either 1) Not getting good pills, 2) Dumb - there can definitely be a diminishing rate of returns on the amount you take, 3) Simply don't care about the "You" that will be, 40 years from now.

I roll while on cycle simply because "all work and no play....", as someone said. You have to have leisure/going out/whatever, as a break (and dare i even say as some motivation). There are no empty calories in pillz. You metabolism isn't slowed down to a crawl on pillz. YOu can generally get up the next day (noonish, admittedly) and hit the gym hard the following day, too.

I just personally have a hard time passing judgement on others when I myself engage in AAS use, ecstasy, alcohol, and a nice evening session of herb on occassioin.

Tell your friend to chill on the sheer amount, maybe he should "booty bump" one - taken as a suppository - which has better uptake, get his water intake, and GET INTO THE GYM STILL the next day, if applicable.

 

[manny78]

This is stupid. AAS involves dedication and being a serious individual. Obviously, he doesn't have what it takes to be in this game.

 

[Dougly]

This thread is much ado about nothing.

You hypocrits who are so ademately against ecstasy are no better than those who are not in the know about AAS who throw around comments like "steroids kill you!", "You're going to turn into a raging lunatic!", etc..

THIS THREAD OWNED BY Bunkka

 

[IronLion]

Why?

 

[guards]

This thread is much ado about nothing.

You hypocrits who are so ademately against ecstasy are no better than those who are not in the know about AAS who throw around comments like "steroids kill you!", "You're going to turn into a raging lunatic!", etc..

I cycle AAS on occassion. I like my occassional drink of alcohol. I like to roll a little on occassion, too.

If you do 3 pills in one night, you're either 1) Not getting good pills, 2) Dumb - there can definitely be a diminishing rate of returns on the amount you take, 3) Simply don't care about the "You" that will be, 40 years from now.

I roll while on cycle simply because "all work and no play....", as someone said. You have to have leisure/going out/whatever, as a break (and dare i even say as some motivation). There are no empty calories in pillz. You metabolism isn't slowed down to a crawl on pillz. YOu can generally get up the next day (noonish, admittedly) and hit the gym hard the following day, too.

I just personally have a hard time passing judgement on others when I myself engage in AAS use, ecstasy, alcohol, and a nice evening session of herb on occassioin.

Tell your friend to chill on the sheer amount, maybe he should "booty bump" one - taken as a suppository - which has better uptake, get his water intake, and GET INTO THE GYM STILL the next day, if applicable.

I am in no way against E....I've been known to partake myself once in a blue moon...but NEVER when on a cycle. If you are taking the financial and physical plunge to engage in the use of AS, you should AT LEAST have the self-restraint to be able to "just say no" when someone asks if you want to roll. Is it that hard to abstain from rec drugs for 8-12 weeks? Come on dude! It's not like we're advocating that you stop jerking off

 

[Guiness]

I would think that taking E while using an AS such as winstrol could be the dumbest thing possible. I understand unwinding a bit but doesn't winny kind of dry you out? From my past experience with E it dehyrated me a shit load. Thankfully I smartened up at a younger age and didn't continue using those types of rec. drugs. It just doesn't make sense to take those two together.

 

[bunkka]

I am in no way against E....I've been known to partake myself once in a blue moon...but NEVER when on a cycle. If you are taking the financial and physical plunge to engage in the use of AS, you should AT LEAST have the self-restraint to be able to "just say no" when someone asks if you want to roll. Is it that hard to abstain from rec drugs for 8-12 weeks? Come on dude! It's not like we're advocating that you stop jerking off

I see exactly where you're coming from here, but I do NOT see where you're going!

Tell me now... what is the reason for abstaining from a roll while on cycle? If you do, I assume it is the same reason why you abstain from sex, dancing, and cardio too while on cycle?

I don't know about anyone else, but when i roll I simply get into the music and dance my ass off (but not a WHOLE lot more than when not rolling, actually).

So, for me at least, if you're going to tell me not to roll, you gotta also make me stay in the AC at 70 degrees all day as well, I guess.

 

[zeke]

I think using the 2 together is absolutely stupid. If your buddy isn't dedicated enough to Bb why even bother using AAS. I think people want to get big and look good, but don't want to despline there selves to do it right. People want to start off using AAS without putting time and sweat in the gym, the short cut out of it. If you are not desiplined enough to stick to a cycle alone then why bother.
And if people don't agree with me, screw'em!
Zeke

 

[bigAragorn]

I cant believe how many have responded " dedication is not there " . I would go so far and venture in saying that any canadians in the T.O area on this board i have probably seen on a few occasions in places like "C.Z" or "F" or "SS" rolling. I am not saying that i roll while on but i make up for it and party my ass off when im off. But i have seen and gone to these types of clubs with pro level body builders and all have been on. One was exactly 2 months away from a show and by God is bigger and in better condition than any of you guys who replied on this thread......even dial tone. My point is are these guys all not dedicated?? I think not.

I would say that these types of places are frequented by in equal proportion by 1. Gay men
2. Hard core ravers
3. HOT women
4. BODYBUILDERS
5. a mix of two of any of the former except
1 and 3.

 

[sk*]

Things like this are the reason I don't support legalization of drugs. Somebody has to protect the people from their own stupidity.

I don't even care about people, if they are that stupid then they aren't worth living ... the problem lies when the government would lose way more money if it was legalized than if it isn't.

-sk

 

[rager2500]

Funny how we can judge others when we dont like to be judged by our AS usage. The holier than though syndrome....get over it for those of you that judge . My only problems is not the partying itself, but the effect it can have on your liver. As winny is a 17 alkoloid, and X can effect your liver rather adversely, you can get hepatitis if your buddy is not carefull. Thats alot of pressure for your liver to handle.

 

[Dougly]

Yeah man, I just shot some slin, some growth, a couple grams of Test. Keep those rolls away from me... that's bad news man!

 

[Riker29]

Funny how we can judge others when we dont like to be judged by our AS usage. The holier than though syndrome....get over it for those of you that judge .

Wow, that was quite judgemental.

LOL

Wake up - most people objected to the fact thet the dude is doing BOTH of these thinsg at the same time.

 

[guards]

I see exactly where you're coming from here, but I do NOT see where you're going!

Tell me now... what is the reason for abstaining from a roll while on cycle? If you do, I assume it is the same reason why you abstain from sex, dancing, and cardio too while on cycle?

I don't know about anyone else, but when i roll I simply get into the music and dance my ass off (but not a WHOLE lot more than when not rolling, actually).

So, for me at least, if you're going to tell me not to roll, you gotta also make me stay in the AC at 70 degrees all day as well, I guess.

I am stating that the mixture of winny AND E, or any other AS for that matter, is not the best mixture out there. You are going to tell me that it is perfectly safe to mix a 17AA with MDMA? That, my friend, is pure ignorance. I'm sure there are people out there that do it, I however, am not one of them and am only stating as much.

 

[D Olympian]

xtc

dont do it

 

[Fukkenshredded]

Rager hit it on the head.

I guess nobody read my response further up.

I GOT HEPATITIS AND NEARLY DIED FROM MIXING ECSTASY WITH WINSTROL.

How much more clear can it be?

I don't think X with all steroids is bad. But with the 17aa's it is BEYOND STUPID.

The impact on the liver is HUGE when these are combined. I am not the only person that I know that gae themselves hep this way. THIS EXACT WAY--X AND WINNY.

Avoid this combo if you have any brain at all.

GEEZUS.

 

[nice6pac]

there are way better stuff than x. x is horrible for you it so fucking cheap ther is no way it isn't gunn afuck u up big time down the road

 

[manny78]

Rager hit it on the head.

I guess nobody read my response further up.

I GOT HEPATITIS AND NEARLY DIED FROM MIXING ECSTASY WITH WINSTROL.

How much more clear can it be?

I don't think X with all steroids is bad. But with the 17aa's it is BEYOND STUPID.

The impact on the liver is HUGE when these are combined. I am not the only person that I know that gae themselves hep this way. THIS EXACT WAY--X AND WINNY.

Avoid this combo if you have any brain at all.

GEEZUS.

I know how you feel, Jesus felt the same way when preaching in front of a dumb crowd. People here will listen to whatever they want or whatever is "THE" answer they were looking for (read: they want you to agree with them)...

 

[little chris]

Firstly I'm sorry if this is out of line and not within the interests of this board to talk about this subject.
The thing, is I would like to be informed to help out a buddy, who has been takine E's even though he's on AS.
He's been on Oral Winny (like 40-50mg/day) for 3 weeks now, and for the last 2 weekends he has taken 1-3 pills of E.
The thing is, both times he has really sketched out and acted really weird, not really enjoying his roll. Very paranoid too.
Are the two chemicals interacting negatively?
He doesn't drink, but does smoke a little pot at the weekend too.
I keep telling him he's pissing away his gains, but he just won't listen.
He thinks its doing him no harm.
Thoughts please?
P

Not for nothing bro but this is why boards get search by feds, cause peeps bring up ecstacy use. They just figure one drug leads to another.

I hope a MOD shuts this thread down.

 

[Volpe]

tell you're "buddy" that if he's mixing hormones and rec drugs he obviously isn't prepared or dedicated enough to be using these substances.

My 2 cents

juice isnt a game...its very serious shit...if he doesnt have the mental constitution to keep focused on what his is taking them for, well......

 

[nice6pac]

nothing is a game life is in real time, use alot of ala its been proven to reverse damage from x,

 

[rager2500]

Pants,

For one, I do go out and party my ass off with other rec gear, just not anything that will directly effect my liver such as X. Love the shit, but your buddy needs to realize that he should obstain from taking any tabs until he runs his winstrol duration. I dont agree with the bros that commented that we are not dedicated to our training and bb if we party (I was trying not to be judegmental there). Without naming names, we have actually partied with several pros and top amateurs in the game now, and you would freak if you knew who they were. They are at the top of their game boys, and to say they are not dedicated....well okay then. Do they still party with us....YES they do. Im up 20lbs in 4 weeks while partying every weekend, I am just carefull what I do and make sure I am packing alot of protein drinks when I go out. Let the flames begin......

 

[calveless wonder]

What are the symptoms of hepatisis? I rolled once a little while after i stopped taking anadrol (was still on test..)...about a month ago. wanna make sure i didn't get this...i mean, are the symptoms obvious?

got me all paranoid now

 

[satchboogie]

his liver dont like him no more

 

[PANTS]

Excellent responses bros. I'm gonna print this thread and stick it in his face. Then I'm gonna make him read it 50 times so the info REALLY gets in to his head.
Just hope it makes a difference, and if it does you can all thank yourselves for contributing towards that change.
P.

 

[plornive]

Re: Re: Ecstasy Use During As Cycle

Not for nothing bro but this is why boards get search by feds, cause peeps bring up ecstacy use. They just figure one drug leads to another.

I hope a MOD shuts this thread down.

I don't think a thread or two on recreational drug usage will do any harm. It's not like anyone is posting mail order E sources. It's important for people to know to not mix E with 17a steroids.

 

[Quadsweep]

tell you're "buddy" that if he's mixing hormones and rec drugs he obviously isn't prepared or dedicated enough to be using these substances.

My 2 cents

I actually disagree unless you are doing shit all week. An every now and then on a saturday night thing is harmless unless you have to train the next day, which always seems to be my leg day....ouch. You must control your drugs, rec. or AAS. You can not let them control you!

Quad

 

[madhacker]

Here is my 2 cents

For the original post, the more recent pill could have been bunk. Were they tested? Sounds like they contained DXM.

To Fukkenshredded, I will bet my car that you had Hepatitis before you tried any of the E. Hepatitis is just a clinical term for inflammation of the liver. All 17aa's will cause hepatitis. True the stress is increased, but what’s the clearing time MDMA? something like 24 hours. This comes to my final point:

Education and Moderation is the key.

Mad

 

[Fukkenshredded]

Mad--

You'd just owe me your car.

I guess people will only hear what they want to hear.

Look, I've done more X than everyone on this board combined. Twelve years, nearly every weekend, with a couple years off. I'm not proud of the fact that I was a hardcore drug addict (crack mainly) some years back. But I was aware of the possibility of organ damage back then and did have some (few) tests, along with regular doc visits.

Here it is, for the last time and for those of you who care to listen.

Winstrol + MDMA = trouble.

They BOTH dehydrate you dramatically. They BOTH elevate your blood pressure and your body temp. They BOTH exert significant stress on the liver, and one most probably occupies the conversion enzyme required for the other.

I did X for over two years straight---HEAVY DOSES, bro---without any negative readings in my regular checkups.

Add winny and clen and in a few months, I keeled over. Came up overnight. I woke up yellower than a ripe banana. I had patied the night before, came home, did a delt winny shot, and crashed.

Slept for thirty hours, had terrible nightmares, and when the girl I was with woke me up in a panick I could barely move. She told me I needed to get to the hospital NOW. I looked at myself and I resembled a bruise. Now, get this...I actually waited a few hours to see if I could flush things out with water.

I sent her home, then my bowel got blocked and I became delerious. Long story short, I had to give myself an enema in the bathtub right then and there while my bud talked to the paramedics on the way over.

My enzymes were in the thousands, people. Are you listening to me? Doc said my liver was just a couple hours away from failing entirely. Kidneys the same way. He said I coulv'e eaten a handful of bananas and died.

Now, here's an interesting side note. Starting that night I increased my GHB doses and water intake. I added the primary ingredients found in Tylers Detox and my jaundice went away in about three weeks. Another three weeks and my liver was fine, at least in terms of enzyme readings.

I lost about thirty pounds during the ordeal.

I am perfectly aware that hepatitis is a term meaning inflamed liver.

What the fuck is wrong with you people that makes you want to qualify what I am telling you from experience? You think I make this shit up?

Hey, you want to do X and winny together, fine by me. Don't say you weren't warned.

My advice, roll when you are OFF CYCLE. Or, when you are on a non stressful cycle.

A lot of other factors are escaping your attention, folks. Keep in mind that nearly all of the bodybuilding heart attack deaths didn't just involve heavy roid use, but also heavy AMPHETAMINE use. Look them up and see for your wretched selves. The combo of amphetamines and roids is very very risky, period.

And what aobut all these fatburners you people take? You think that you can just mix MDMA and clen? Or MDMA and even Xenadrines? People have DIED that way. Last year a bodybuilder took ONE YELLOW GATOR and DIED. Two years before that two bodybuilders that rolled regularly in the LA area went to an after hours party and one lived to tell how the other died. Guess what? X and clen, he was on cycle.

MDMA is a great drug if you ask me. But it is stressful to the body people.

Winstrol is stressful to the body in LOTS OF WAYS.

You should read back over your posts and listen to yourselves try to justify either total banning or total indulgence.

Its fucking pathetic and makes me wonder how many of you are really serious at all about your health. I learned this the hard way. The VERY hard way.

 

[Vítor Rage]

Okay dudes..

When you go to a rave or any kind of e-music danceclub , almost everybody are enjoying some kind of roll. Hard to see that and just think "hey babes look at my pumped n´ripped physique ..." "come on me..." ... the girls also want you being on a roll with them.

Juice plus MDMA - very harsh on liver.
Juice plus Alcohol - very harsh on live (i had a terrible experience)

So ... What about Juice plus GHB?

 

[madhacker]

MDMA does not neccecarrly dehydrate yourself if you properly hydrate yourself while rolling.

Also, did you have your you have your AST and ALT levels recorded prior to the start of your cycle? During your cycle?

What I am gettting at is how do you know that the E caused your elevated levels? It sound more like you have a for ciroccis of the liver. The liver is a very strong and resilient organ. A normal person or even a person with high levels (>100 <600) would not crash like you said you did.

Once again moderation and EDUCATION is the key.

 

[11/2in22g5ccfilled]

"BOOTY BUMP?"
WHAT THE FUCK

 

[11/2in22g5ccfilled]

"BOOTY BUMP WHAT THE FUCK?"

 

[11/2in22g5ccfilled]

"BOOTY BUMP WHAT THE FUCK?"

 

[bunkka]

Here is my 2 cents

For the original post, the more recent pill could have been bunk. Were they tested? Sounds like they contained DXM.

To Fukkenshredded, I will bet my car that you had Hepatitis before you tried any of the E. Hepatitis is just a clinical term for inflammation of the liver. All 17aa's will cause hepatitis. True the stress is increased, but what’s the clearing time MDMA? something like 24 hours. This comes to my final point:

Education and Moderation is the key.

Mad

Nail... Hammer.... Head!!!!

Regardless if you are on or off cycle when you roll, definitely "booty bump" it to avoid that first liver pass-thru of the chemical!

This shouldn't just be practice of people who are on AASs but of EVERYONE who takes pillz!

 

[madhacker]

plug away

 

[guards]

Nail... Hammer.... Head!!!!

Regardless if you are on or off cycle when you roll, definitely "booty bump" it to avoid that first liver pass-thru of the chemical!

This shouldn't just be practice of people who are on AASs but of EVERYONE who takes pillz!

you will never catch me putting a tab up my arse.....exit only fella's

 

[Bam Bam]

Question, and I am not being a smart ass, I just want to know. Why would the mixture of Winny and E cause hepatitas? BamBam

 

[madhacker]

Question, and I am not being a smart ass, I just want to know. Why would the mixture of Winny and E cause hepatitas? BamBam

Theoretically it could by increasing stress on the liver. Again, hepititas (NOT A, B or C) is just Inflammation of the liver.

 

[Bam Bam]

Hacker, if you haven't checked your pm's, you have one. BamBam

 

[PANTS]

This is all good info bros. The more the better.
I think a lot of bros will benefit from this thread.
Peace,
P

 

[THeMaCHinE]

FS -- I noticed in your post you talked about roids in conjunction with amphetamines. What is your take on ephedrine hcl in combination with anadrol (60mg/day) and winny (30 mg/day) on top of test (600 mg/wk)?

I've been vascillating on whether or not to take the ephedrine hcl while on the adrol/winny ...