does EQ really convert to EPO?

[hanibal]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catequi.htm
that's what it says here. i've been researching alot on EQ and only this link and 1 other i can't find, stated that EQ is converted to EPO by the kidneys. is this true? if so i don't think EQ is as safe as everyone believes. 1 thing i know about EPO is that it thickens the blood.this is something that doesn't sound so hot to me. using something that thickens the blood w/ winny( something that increases cholesterol), might not be so safe to use together, like i was planning to do, along w/ proviron and primo.
- anyone an EQ guru that can explain this to me?again i only found 2 links which stated the EPO thing, that's why i'm questioning this.
- maybe it would be smart to use aspirin daily, especially when on either EQ or winny. excuse me if i sound like a pussy but after 13 years of juicing( 10 not so smart), i'm alittle paranoid these days. i guess i'm getting old...i did alot of stupid/hazardous things w/ juice in my day.

 

[tsuwr927]

unless your Cholesterol is out of control i don't think it becomes a factor until you start using very high doses of EQ. Seems like every likes the fact that EQ increases RBC

 

[hanibal]

i'm sure everyone likes it. i'm also sure people like results from almost everything they use. the question was if it converts to EPO or not...

 

[mikefear]

thickening of the blood.. well, it does increase rbc..but unless you have some sort of blockage in your heart or other organis/extremeties, it's mostly a non-issue.. besides, you shouldn't be using if you already have an underlying physical problem.

 

[Ulter]

No it doesn't convert to EPO. It may stimulate it's release.

 

[|3ossman]

thicker blood increases blood pressure, i dont really see that as a positive

 

[tsuwr927]

i'm sure everyone likes it. i'm also sure people like results from almost everything they use. the question was if it converts to EPO or not...

no it does not convert to EPO. It increases EPO secretion which in turn increases RBC. my bad for not being for straight forward

 

[hanibal]

thickening of the blood.. well, it does increase rbc..but unless you have some sort of blockage in your heart or other organis/extremeties, it's mostly a non-issue.. besides, you shouldn't be using if you already have an underlying physical problem.

no underlying condition here, just wanna know exactly what i'm shooting into my body. don't want thick blood from EQ while using winny which increases cholesterol...do u guys think that it's an issue using both together? i was gonna do 800/wk for 16 weeks of the EQ, but now if i do it, i'll keep it 500-600/wk.
- anyone ever have side effects/issues w/ EQ? i used it back in the day, but never more than 400/wk and never longer than 10 weeks.

 

[Ulter]

800 is the uppermost limit. I haven't seen anyone have a problem at that dose. It's the guys who were frontloading it at 2000mg that were having panic attacks, short breath, etc. I've seen panic at 1000mg although there are probably underlying factors to that.
Forget about your cholesterol while use AS. It makes your numbers whack. They go back to normal when you're done with the cycle. There is no evidence that short term flucuations in Chol have any impact on CV health.

 

[JKurz1]

what are the benes to using a VERY low dose...just an increase in lean mass and strength? say 300mg/week...?

 

[THE GOOD SUN]

- anyone ever have side effects/issues w/ EQ? i used it back in the day, but never more than 400/wk and never longer than 10 weeks.

it gave me the worst anxiety i've ever experienced ...@ a dose of 600mg/wk ...i have since experimented EQ only to comfirm that it was indeed the cause @ 400mg/wk and felt the symptoms returning slightly after a single dose ...i can not explain it, though other have expressed theories thickened blood that could or would restrict capillary flow ...also i can neither confirm nor deny an underlying cause ...this has been my experience


Ulter, how long would you estimate that it would take for RBC to return back to normal after discontinuance?

 

[JKurz1]

wONDERING IF THE SIDE EFFECTS YOU mentionmed were worth the lean mass it produces.....I havent had any of those symptoms but am wondering if my LOW blood pressure is a result???

 

[slightly stupid]

The site you linked doesn't say that EQ converts to EPO, but rather that EQ stimulates erythropoietin production in the kidney.

However, from most things I've read, it seems that most AAS stimulate erythropoietin production to some extent.

 

[hanibal]

the whole blood thickening thing is starting to bother me, thinking about dropping the EQ and do primo entire time w/ everything else.
- if a primo cycle is done at 600-700/wk for like 16 wks w/T3 wk 3-11, winny last 8, maybe alilttle masteron wk 12-16, is proviron and or AIFM needed at all. i will be using AIFM PCT. not sure if i should use clomid also, thinking abou using proviron PCT. any thoughts? again looking to just get harder and leaner while preserving what i have w/ just alittle more size. i would be happy to get my BF to 7% at about 220. i'm about 10-11% now at 212. i will be around 205 under 10% when i start. primo is a prime candidate for me. too bad it's so pricy. it's worth it IMO.

 

[a creed]

what are the benes to using a VERY low dose...just an increase in lean mass and strength? say 300mg/week...?

hey Bro - I'm using 400mg EQ Cyp/week, and in week 5 now, I am loving the cardio benefits................vascularity is there at that dose also.

It's just 600mg/week Test E
400mg/week EQ/Cyp

 

[crider]

you should be getting blood tests anyways... anything 50 or below for hematacrit is fine... above 60 getting dangerous.

thicker blood increases blood pressure, i dont really see that as a positive

 

[JKurz1]

hey Bro - I'm using 400mg EQ Cyp/week, and in week 5 now, I am loving the cardio benefits................vascularity is there at that dose also.

It's just 600mg/week Test E
400mg/week EQ/Cyp

I am exactly half that dose and love it all well.......